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Steve Smith's advice to OBJ: Undisputed

JOrthman : 1/11/2017 7:55 am
Interesting advice for OBJ from former Ravens WR, Steve Smith on Undisputed.
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I will read it because you posted it,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2017 8:10 am : link
but who would take anything SS says seriously? You know, the psycho who broke a teammate's jaw in camp? That certainly wouls equate with OBJ's behavior. Oh wait, SS has "grown up" and has become an elder statesman..Barf
RE: I will read it because you posted it,  
JOrthman : 1/11/2017 8:20 am : link
In comment 13320934 Big Blue '56 said:
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but who would take anything SS says seriously? You know, the psycho who broke a teammate's jaw in camp? That certainly wouls equate with OBJ's behavior. Oh wait, SS has "grown up" and has become an elder statesman..Barf


lol it's a video and I think you will change your mind after watching. He says he himself didn't listen to advice when he was younger.
I just have a hard time watching anyone wear that hat indoors  
jcn56 : 1/11/2017 8:21 am : link
and still take them serious.

Of course, then he goes through the full workflow of taxable income and mind...blown.
BB'56  
Diver_Down : 1/11/2017 8:22 am : link
If you have the time and get the chance, watch A Football Life - Steve Smith. It might change the perspective of how we "know" Steve Smith. The man is not the persona that we saw. The Undisputed segment linked was very well said. The irony is that Steve had/has held so much disdain for the media throughout his career, yet he might find continued opportunity becoming a member of the media.
Good video  
Giants2012 : 1/11/2017 8:27 am : link
Some good points and advice.

Athletically, many people I've been around think Beckham is a Steve Smith without the one handed catches. There are a lot of athletic similarities.

Some very good points about the company vs the brand.

Certainly a shot to Victor Cruz.



He should talk to the REAL Steve Smith  
GentleGiant : 1/11/2017 8:34 am : link
the guy who never put himself above the team, always showed up for the big game and had his career cut short because his physical body couldn't match his immense will to win.

Most true Giant fans will never forget that 3rd and 11 first down he got right before the game winning TD to Plaxico. But what no one remembers was the play before that when Tyree caught a ball and seemingly fumbled it (the play was called incomplete) but that didn't stop Steve Smith from sprinting over to the ball to push it out of bounds, he didn't trust his eyes that the ball was incomplete. Would have been nice if McAdoo screened that SB victory for his players prior to the GB game so he could point out all the little things the Giants did in that game to ensure a close victory. Plays like that show your teammates your head is in the game. Those are the things champions do.
Great find, thanks for posting  
trueblueinpw : 1/11/2017 8:58 am : link
Everything Steve Smith said was spot on. He's absolutely right that Cruz should have known better and should have provided more leadership for the young buck receivers. I thought it was very interesting that Smith said OBJ was "pressing" after the first drop. Also thought it was interesting that he wondered (respectfully) about the whether or not OBJ "has that dog in him".

Some people were jumping ugly with those of us asserting that Reese came off dickish by saying OBJ "needs to grow up". Well, Steve Smith also takes umbrage with that language and then goes on to say much more eloquently exactly what needed to be said.
Smith makes great points in this video  
27 : 1/11/2017 9:00 am : link
A presence like him is exactly what the Giants could use in the locker room around OBJ. A guy who has been there before, learned from mistakes, and is a true professional and veteran.
RE: I will read it because you posted it,  
djstat : 1/11/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13320934 Big Blue '56 said:
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but who would take anything SS says seriously? You know, the psycho who broke a teammate's jaw in camp? That certainly wouls equate with OBJ's behavior. Oh wait, SS has "grown up" and has become an elder statesman..Barf
You seem to have issues getting over the past. That issue with Smith was YEARS ago. Haven't you heard people can change?
RE: He should talk to the REAL Steve Smith  
djstat : 1/11/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13320958 GentleGiant said:
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the guy who never put himself above the team, always showed up for the big game and had his career cut short because his physical body couldn't match his immense will to win.

Most true Giant fans will never forget that 3rd and 11 first down he got right before the game winning TD to Plaxico. But what no one remembers was the play before that when Tyree caught a ball and seemingly fumbled it (the play was called incomplete) but that didn't stop Steve Smith from sprinting over to the ball to push it out of bounds, he didn't trust his eyes that the ball was incomplete. Would have been nice if McAdoo screened that SB victory for his players prior to the GB game so he could point out all the little things the Giants did in that game to ensure a close victory. Plays like that show your teammates your head is in the game. Those are the things champions do.


The benedict Arnold who ran to the Eagles and took money rather then take longer to recover and still have a career? That Steve Smith
RE: RE: He should talk to the REAL Steve Smith  
GmanND : 1/11/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13321087 djstat said:
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In comment 13320958 GentleGiant said:


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the guy who never put himself above the team, always showed up for the big game and had his career cut short because his physical body couldn't match his immense will to win.

Most true Giant fans will never forget that 3rd and 11 first down he got right before the game winning TD to Plaxico. But what no one remembers was the play before that when Tyree caught a ball and seemingly fumbled it (the play was called incomplete) but that didn't stop Steve Smith from sprinting over to the ball to push it out of bounds, he didn't trust his eyes that the ball was incomplete. Would have been nice if McAdoo screened that SB victory for his players prior to the GB game so he could point out all the little things the Giants did in that game to ensure a close victory. Plays like that show your teammates your head is in the game. Those are the things champions do.



The benedict Arnold who ran to the Eagles and took money rather then take longer to recover and still have a career? That Steve Smith



You seem to have issues getting over the past.
I didn't watch the video yet  
feelflows : 1/11/2017 10:12 am : link
but don't discount SS.

He is VERY much like OBJ because of his competitiveness, but he's also very bright and grounded when not playing.
RE: RE: He should talk to the REAL Steve Smith  
Gman11 : 1/11/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13321087 djstat said:
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In comment 13320958 GentleGiant said:


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the guy who never put himself above the team, always showed up for the big game and had his career cut short because his physical body couldn't match his immense will to win.

The benedict Arnold who ran to the Eagles and took money rather then take longer to recover and still have a career? That Steve Smith


Give me a break. Like you wouldn't have signed with the Eagles if they were throwing money at you just to be loyal to your previous employer.
SSSr has had a lot of really good takes on Beckham.  
arcarsenal : 1/11/2017 10:15 am : link
I think he's right on the money and I agree with him.
RE: I will read it because you posted it,  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/11/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13320934 Big Blue '56 said:
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but who would take anything SS says seriously? You know, the psycho who broke a teammate's jaw in camp? That certainly wouls equate with OBJ's behavior. Oh wait, SS has "grown up" and has become an elder statesman..Barf


This is a pretty bad post, BB'56 (and I haven't seen the video, yet). What is wrong with hearing from someone who's very similar to Beckham? A gifted, undersized receiver who has a history of letting his temper get the best of him on the field but is a pretty good guy off the field? He's the perfect person for Beckham to learn from. I don't think there's much we can take away from perfect people.
Let's Grab  
njurygiants : 1/11/2017 10:20 am : link
Larry Fitz's for a year or two!
It's Pretty Simple  
Bernie : 1/11/2017 10:21 am : link
and Reese basically said it. OBJ is now, along with Eli, the face of the franchise. As such he has an obligation to behave accordingly. Yes, that may put restrictions on what you can do in your free time, but it comes with the territory. You want to be a star and eventually be paid as such? Then accept that your every move will be scrutinized and discussed in the news and on social media.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13321125 Mike in Long Beach said:
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but who would take anything SS says seriously? You know, the psycho who broke a teammate's jaw in camp? That certainly wouls equate with OBJ's behavior. Oh wait, SS has "grown up" and has become an elder statesman..Barf



This is a pretty bad post, BB'56 (and I haven't seen the video, yet). What is wrong with hearing from someone who's very similar to Beckham? A gifted, undersized receiver who has a history of letting his temper get the best of him on the field but is a pretty good guy off the field? He's the perfect person for Beckham to learn from. I don't think there's much we can take away from perfect people.


Because I believe he's a phony..He's changed like Ray Rice has "changed" after he was caught on tape..Fuck Steve Smith..
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Tuckrule : 1/11/2017 10:37 am : link
i used to share your same thoughts on SS just a punk who had severe attitude problems but you watch a football life and guys like marshall and steve smith become more understandable and thats one way to gain insight into their psyche
I really hope Beckham doesn't wear out his welcome here  
Brown Recluse : 1/11/2017 11:21 am : link
the way many players seem to wear out their welcome with their first team.

Here's hoping he continues to mature and retires a Giant.
My view of Steve Smith was always negative  
Kivorka : 1/11/2017 11:27 am : link
until I saw A Football Life. Completely changed my opinion of him
Actually  
Carson53 : 1/11/2017 11:57 am : link
I watched a Football Life on SS, my opinion on him had
changed on him before that. He was out of control earlier
in his career, a couple of fights with teammates along the way. A few years ago, before he went to the Ravens, I would
not have mind if the Giants had signed him. He could have brought some much needed veteran leadership at the time.
With that said, don't see him as a WR coach.
RE: RE: RE: I will read it because you posted it,  
One Man Thrill Ride : 1/11/2017 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13321184 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13320934 Big Blue '56 said:


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but who would take anything SS says seriously? You know, the psycho who broke a teammate's jaw in camp? That certainly wouls equate with OBJ's behavior. Oh wait, SS has "grown up" and has become an elder statesman..Barf



This is a pretty bad post, BB'56 (and I haven't seen the video, yet). What is wrong with hearing from someone who's very similar to Beckham? A gifted, undersized receiver who has a history of letting his temper get the best of him on the field but is a pretty good guy off the field? He's the perfect person for Beckham to learn from. I don't think there's much we can take away from perfect people.



Because I believe he's a phony..He's changed like Ray Rice has "changed" after he was caught on tape..Fuck Steve Smith..


Steve Smith has forever been one of the most brutally honest and brazen players in the league. He calls out everyone and never pretended to change. There's nothing phony about his demeanor. Ray Rice? Wtf are you even talking about?

Watching the clip might help you (Big Blue 1956) understand how players relate to one another while managing the trappings of a high-pressure job and superstar spotlight at an extraordinarily young age.

OBJ and SSSr. are much, much more similar than they are different, right down to the temper issues. The parallels -- including the violent outbursts -- are incredible.

He takes a firm pro-Beckham take btw.
SS Sr  
SomeFan : 1/11/2017 12:46 pm : link
Does have some nuggets when you listen to him. Not a dumb person at all.
Look, even if he is or has become what  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2017 12:49 pm : link
many of you say/think he is, OBJ really will be fine..I suspect Mara and company might have a little chat with him (as they probably did after last year's Panthers' incident..

There are so many MORE things to discuss than what OBJ does off the field as he's a hard worker, a very good teammate, etc., from everything I've read..

I don't foresee many boat trips in his future save for off-season..I think perception will be driven home this off season..
RE: Look, even if he is or has become what  
Giants2012 : 1/11/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13321470 Big Blue '56 said:
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many of you say/think he is, OBJ really will be fine..I suspect Mara and company might have a little chat with him (as they probably did after last year's Panthers' incident..

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lol - Giants shrink is working overtime

- multiple personal fouls and head hunting against the Panthers might be a bad idea
- tell me about your relationship and marriage proposal to a kickers net
- are you comfortable speaking about the crying?
- we're you warm going shirtless in Green Bay b/c your hands were cold as ice?
- tell me about that hole in the wall
- let's leave Beiber for another time.

Moving right along . . . .
You can critcize SS for decisions early in his career  
Now Mike in MD : 1/11/2017 1:01 pm : link
but the comparison to Rice is as dumb as they come. Smith is incredibly involved with domestic violence issues in Baltimore and does a lot of great work in that area. I know some people who have worked with him on these events, and they have fantastic things to say about the guy
Steve Smith is actually a great person to talk to about this stuff  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2017 1:05 pm : link
A bit confused about the lack of respect for a great football player.
Steve Smith  
Simms : 1/11/2017 1:17 pm : link
Thank you for posting. I enjoyed the link and listened to other bits from the show.
Come on, Ray Rice?  
David in LA : 1/11/2017 1:28 pm : link
Sometimes it feels like some posters haven't got a clue about the players they go out of their way to criticize.
I didn't watch the video  
David in LA : 1/11/2017 1:30 pm : link
but I'm going to go ahead and criticize the shit out of him
RE: Come on, Ray Rice?  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13321538 David in LA said:
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Sometimes it feels like some posters haven't got a clue about the players they go out of their way to criticize.


Ok David. Enough with the following me around..You and I are done..Say what you want from here on out. I will not respond..And no, I'm not taking my marbles and running..Just opting to ignore you, so don't ever expect a response. You will win every time..Every time by default..
Eh, not my problem if you have an issue  
David in LA : 1/11/2017 1:37 pm : link
being held responsible for your own words and hot takes. At least take the time to click before you spout off on something.
People act  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2017 2:28 pm : link
like if you've done a few things in your past, you can't grow up/learn or hell even give some advice. Brandon Marshall was a horrible human being his first few years...seems like he grew up and can be a good role model for young players. Steve Smith can do the same if he wants. I've got no problem with it.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13321645 ryanmkeane said:
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like if you've done a few things in your past, you can't grow up/learn or hell even give some advice. Brandon Marshall was a horrible human being his first few years...seems like he grew up and can be a good role model for young players. Steve Smith can do the same if he wants. I've got no problem with it.


I clearly spoke to the SS situation in my 12:49
ryan, from a fan's POV,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2017 2:41 pm : link
I don't like SS, I don't like Tiki Barber, I don't particularly like Tom Brady, to name a few..All great to super great players..

They don't impact my life one iota or keep me up at nights..The only time I give them any thought at all is when It is addressed on a thread and when I am participating in said thread(s)..A fan's prerogative...😊😎
RE: People act  
Fox : 1/11/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13321645 ryanmkeane said:
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like if you've done a few things in your past, you can't grow up/learn or hell even give some advice. Brandon Marshall was a horrible human being his first few years...seems like he grew up and can be a good role model for young players. Steve Smith can do the same if he wants. I've got no problem with it.


Marshall was diagnosed with a legit mental illness. He sought treatment for it and puts in time raising awareness on the subject. Took some humility on his part to recognize his behavior was hurting his professional and personal life and ask for help.
RE: ryan, from a fan's POV,  
JOrthman : 1/11/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13321673 Big Blue '56 said:
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I don't like SS, I don't like Tiki Barber, I don't particularly like Tom Brady, to name a few..All great to super great players..

They don't impact my life one iota or keep me up at nights..The only time I give them any thought at all is when It is addressed on a thread and when I am participating in said thread(s)..A fan's prerogative...😊😎


Did you watch it yet?
Yes and it didn't impress me at all..  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2017 5:14 pm : link
-As SS said, if the cameras and social media weren't there (wasn't for SS during his Carolina days, yet we still heard about his bullheadedness and violent streak even without social media) this would be a non-event. No one would have known..

-Basically at OBJ's age (even older iirc) there were many people that reached out to him, but as a Taurus, he was/is bullheaded and wouldn't listen to anyone..

-That's about it save for OBJ pressing after his first drop..

RE: I really hope Beckham doesn't wear out his welcome here  
NikkiMac : 1/11/2017 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13321318 Brown Recluse said:
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the way many players seem to wear out their welcome with their first team.

Here's hoping he continues to mature and retires a Giant.


You know what he ain't God there's always Cleveland to send his ass too and they have high picks might be the Giants ticket to Eli's replacement don't get me wrong love OBJ but never say never !
SS  
bc4life : 1/11/2017 6:35 pm : link
might be a good guy to speak with young players ona regular basis.
RE: Look, even if he is or has become what  
One Man Thrill Ride : 1/12/2017 1:39 am : link
In comment 13321470 Big Blue '56 said:
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many of you say/think he is, OBJ really will be fine..I suspect Mara and company might have a little chat with him (as they probably did after last year's Panthers' incident..


Did not happen. In either case. It is not John's style -- he would never intervene with the coaches in-house disciplinary matters.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13322298 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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many of you say/think he is, OBJ really will be fine..I suspect Mara and company might have a little chat with him (as they probably did after last year's Panthers' incident..



Did not happen. In either case. It is not John's style -- he would never intervene with the coaches in-house disciplinary matters.


Mara/Coughlin post 2006 when they discussed TC being nice to the media. Yes, TC was the HC and OBJ a player. But, Along with Eli, OBJ is now the face of the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if JM (along with other) sat in on any off the record discussions..
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Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2017 10:20 am : link
In comment 13322471 Big Blue '56 said:
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many of you say/think he is, OBJ really will be fine..I suspect Mara and company might have a little chat with him (as they probably did after last year's Panthers' incident..



Did not happen. In either case. It is not John's style -- he would never intervene with the coaches in-house disciplinary matters.



Mara/Coughlin post 2006 when they discussed TC being nice to the media. Yes, TC was the HC and OBJ a player. But, Along with Eli, OBJ is now the face of the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if JM (along with other) sat in on any off the record discussions..


And who mentioned anything about OBJ disciplinary matters? I'm referring to a man to man discussion between the owner(and others) and the face of the franchise as it pertains to expectations and perceptions..
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One Man Thrill Ride : 1/12/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13322471 Big Blue '56 said:
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many of you say/think he is, OBJ really will be fine..I suspect Mara and company might have a little chat with him (as they probably did after last year's Panthers' incident..



Did not happen. In either case. It is not John's style -- he would never intervene with the coaches in-house disciplinary matters.



Mara/Coughlin post 2006 when they discussed TC being nice to the media. Yes, TC was the HC and OBJ a player. But, Along with Eli, OBJ is now the face of the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if JM (along with other) sat in on any off the record discussions..


Would you be surprised to learn he did not? Because the Thrill Ride is telling you that John was not apart of anything like that. Much like his father, his approach is that coaches coach and players play.

Thrilly believes John would approve of Odell finding guidance with guys like Steve Smith and Michael Irvin and Randy Moss. Players who attracted controversy, had problems with temper and focus, but were professional enough to show up on Sundays and contribute to winning programs. Mentors -- ex-superstars -- who Odell can actually relate to. Help him to become a better player and better leader.

A closed door discussion with a bunch of older white guys is a waste of everybody's time.

Last, the idea that "Obj will be fine" is a bit overblown in the Thrill Ride's opinion. He's already beyond "fine." What more can you possibly ask from the wide receiver who's had the most prolific opening to a career in league history? There are things on and off the field he can improve, but by golly, let's take a breath and appreciate this man.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2017 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13322627 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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many of you say/think he is, OBJ really will be fine..I suspect Mara and company might have a little chat with him (as they probably did after last year's Panthers' incident..



Did not happen. In either case. It is not John's style -- he would never intervene with the coaches in-house disciplinary matters.



Mara/Coughlin post 2006 when they discussed TC being nice to the media. Yes, TC was the HC and OBJ a player. But, Along with Eli, OBJ is now the face of the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if JM (along with other) sat in on any off the record discussions..



Would you be surprised to learn he did not? Because the Thrill Ride is telling you that John was not apart of anything like that. Much like his father, his approach is that coaches coach and players play.

Thrilly believes John would approve of Odell finding guidance with guys like Steve Smith and Michael Irvin and Randy Moss. Players who attracted controversy, had problems with temper and focus, but were professional enough to show up on Sundays and contribute to winning programs. Mentors -- ex-superstars -- who Odell can actually relate to. Help him to become a better player and better leader.

A closed door discussion with a bunch of older white guys is a waste of everybody's time.

Last, the idea that "Obj will be fine" is a bit overblown in the Thrill Ride's opinion. He's already beyond "fine." What more can you possibly ask from the wide receiver who's had the most prolific opening to a career in league history? There are things on and off the field he can improve, but by golly, let's take a breath and appreciate this man.


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Yea,  
Glover : 1/12/2017 9:02 pm : link
lose the clown hat. Same for Ike Taylor.
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