when you have an immediate need at RT and RG. Use UFA for attacking urgent needs.
IMO, it's not nearly as easy this year. Unlike last year, this year is saturated with teams with as much or more money than the top four last year. Half the league has as much money. The bidding for anybody is going to be through the roof.
when you have an immediate need at RT and RG. Use UFA for attacking urgent needs.
IMO, it's not nearly as easy this year. Unlike last year, this year is saturated with teams with as much or more money than the top four last year. Half the league has as much money. The bidding for anybody is going to be through the roof.
I know fans don't want to hear this, but if NYG doesn't address the right side of the OL via UFA, it's likely the unit goes largely unchanged in 2017. Draft picks aren't likely to get the nod over the incumbents.
RE: RE: RE: Cluster drafting doesn't make any sense
when you have an immediate need at RT and RG. Use UFA for attacking urgent needs.
IMO, it's not nearly as easy this year. Unlike last year, this year is saturated with teams with as much or more money than the top four last year. Half the league has as much money. The bidding for anybody is going to be through the roof.
I know fans don't want to hear this, but if NYG doesn't address the right side of the OL via UFA, it's likely the unit goes largely unchanged in 2017. Draft picks aren't likely to get the nod over the incumbents.
I don't think that's the case anymore under the new regime.
"cluster fuck". The Reese team does not have a great track record when it comes to drafting offensive lineman. How would you feel if they went OL in the first 2 rounds and they both sucked? And this is not a great OL draft from early previews.
The Rd 1 and 2 OL track record since 2009 when the took Beatty isn't overly impressive so far. Beatty was meh, Pugh seems to be the best of them but hasn't really been great, and he's been hurt often, Richburg is struggling and so is Flowers.
No but I think we cluster SIGN at least 2 solid vet FAs
One starter and one to replace Jerry as a swing guy. I think we go into the season with a FA LT, Pugh, Richburg, Flowers and Hart/FA as the line, left to right.
to stick with two players as starters who were signed as backups.
Slow to change.
Reese tried to sign guys in FA last year but they went elsewhere. Reese didn't draft a single OL last year. There was no one on the roster to compete unless you want to count Hart, who actually won the job.
A rookie OL will start for the Giants if he's talented enough -- which shouldn't be too much of a challenge.
Reese tried to sign guys in FA last year but they went elsewhere.
From all indications all FA tackles brought in were told they were being brought in to compete for the RT job, that the LT job was already taken. This is something I have an issue with if true - almost as though we were trying to protect Flowers from having to compete for his job.
"cluster fuck". The Reese team does not have a great track record when it comes to drafting offensive lineman. How would you feel if they went OL in the first 2 rounds and they both sucked? And this is not a great OL draft from early previews.
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The suck already so what is there to lose? Can't win without an OL. They got away with a lot this year. They also missed the playoffs for almost half a decade.
As far the previews, they're as close to fake news as there is as they've proven to be wrong year after year.
This OL passed "enough is enough" two years ago and they still stink. Look at this mess.
"Left tackles are no longer 'safe' first-round picks"
A draft time article on NFL.COM. One of the things that's hard for us to see as fans but it sounds like the new CBA has made a really big impact on development of players where technique varies from college. Left tackle is of course the poster child for that. Perhaps in a few years they'll recognize how it's diluting the quality of the game and revamp. Giants were unfortunate to be one of the teams that needed a left tackle (badly) under the new CBA.
George Young and Ernie Accorsi took the better part of a decade (like many GMs) to understand how to manage a roster under the salary cap. Reese and other GMs are probably now just understanding how the impact on player development.
"They're not getting any better because they don't ever get to practice football," Cardinals coach Bruce Arians explained, via the Indianapolis Star's Stephen Holder. "Since we've made the rule changes, the quality of the athlete has gone way up, and the quality of the football has gone way down. ... When we draft them, they just go through the entire spring without pads just doing stupid a-- drills that don't get them any better." Link - ( New Window )
I don't think LTs have been safe picks in a long time
Everybody loves the idea of picking a tackle, but those picks either fail often or develop slowly very often. Look at the most recent crops of them. Who was the day one star?
It seems that the logical move for coaches would be twofold:
1. Simplify the game in order to be able to teach it more thoroughly in the limited practice time available.
2. This may already be happening, but reduce the changes the players encounter between college and pros. I'm sure this can be applied to any position on the field, but to my untrained eye the most glaring mistakes are made with young, mobile quarterbacks that are converted by coaches into pocket QBs to their detriment.
It seems that the logical move for coaches would be twofold:
1. Simplify the game in order to be able to teach it more thoroughly in the limited practice time available.
2. This may already be happening, but reduce the changes the players encounter between college and pros. I'm sure this can be applied to any position on the field, but to my untrained eye the most glaring mistakes are made with young, mobile quarterbacks that are converted by coaches into pocket QBs to their detriment.
Indeed. Simplifying things, kind of like what McAdoo did I suppose. Imagine if his coaches had a chance to coach. I knew they limited padded practices, but 14 per season? That's mind boggling.
when people post, by round, what positions we should take in that round.
That's not how you draft.
Why simply take a position if that position isn't worthy of being picked.
And why would you draft OL in the first four rounds when there are much better players to improve your football team at other positions????
They did that w Flowers. Who was no where near a top 10 pick. Same w Pugh. He's been very solid but Kyle Long who went one spot after him as been a lot better Maybe he was the best OL on the team the last two years but that's really saying more about the OL. HE hasn't sniffed a Pro bowl. Very solid career but no one is giving him some huge contract of the Giants let him go.
I do see Osemele as a better player, and one that would have had a greater positive impact on the team than Vernon did. I think the biggest single problem with the 2016 Giants was the inability to run the ball with any authority. Had we been able to do so the two high coverage that troubled our passing game would have disappeared quickly. Osemele could have made an enormous difference in that regard, and the trickle down to the rest of the offense would have been significant.
I don't dislike Vernon as a player and I think we were better this year for having had him. But he is being paid like a premier pass rusher and we had trouble generating a conventional pass rush all season.
Osemele is making huge money, yeah. For a guard. $25 million guaranteed over 5 years is significant. But it's still less than half of the guaranteed money Vernon got. If Osemele is making obscene money, then we need to come up with a new word for Vernon.
Great post. IMO Reese has blinders on when it comes to DE and WR. as if a Gronk or a Kelce isn't as valuable as a WR. Vernon's cash could have gone to him easily. He's gettin Von Miller money. Didn't play near that level even when healthy. Great kid. Great teammate but he as some proving to next year. Snacks and Hankins were monsters this year. He saw a ton of single teams.
RE: Again, my comment was not to say they won't bother to play a rookie
IMO, it's not nearly as easy this year. Unlike last year, this year is saturated with teams with as much or more money than the top four last year. Half the league has as much money. The bidding for anybody is going to be through the roof.
The draft had 12 rounds back then, and that's just one major difference.
Go check out the drafts of many teams. Top of my head I pulled the Pats and Steelers drafts
The Steelers have used 3 out of their last 4 top picks on CB
The Pats went 5 Db's in two years in 2012/2013 after the Giants beat them in 2011.
Examples of teams clustering are everywhere so it is relevant.
Meanwhile, out team of diversity has made the playoffs once in 5 years for one game.
going to be a long off-season!
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when you have an immediate need at RT and RG. Use UFA for attacking urgent needs.
IMO, it's not nearly as easy this year. Unlike last year, this year is saturated with teams with as much or more money than the top four last year. Half the league has as much money. The bidding for anybody is going to be through the roof.
I know fans don't want to hear this, but if NYG doesn't address the right side of the OL via UFA, it's likely the unit goes largely unchanged in 2017. Draft picks aren't likely to get the nod over the incumbents.
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when you have an immediate need at RT and RG. Use UFA for attacking urgent needs.
IMO, it's not nearly as easy this year. Unlike last year, this year is saturated with teams with as much or more money than the top four last year. Half the league has as much money. The bidding for anybody is going to be through the roof.
I know fans don't want to hear this, but if NYG doesn't address the right side of the OL via UFA, it's likely the unit goes largely unchanged in 2017. Draft picks aren't likely to get the nod over the incumbents.
I don't think that's the case anymore under the new regime.
There weren't any other options at OL.
Look at other positions. Plenty of rookies were thrown into the fire, which wasn't common under the old regime.
Slow to change.
They looked at UFAs last Winter and chose to stick with sub-par players. It's a chain of sub-par decisions.
The Rd 1 and 2 OL track record since 2009 when the took Beatty isn't overly impressive so far. Beatty was meh, Pugh seems to be the best of them but hasn't really been great, and he's been hurt often, Richburg is struggling and so is Flowers.
Slow to change.
Reese tried to sign guys in FA last year but they went elsewhere. Reese didn't draft a single OL last year. There was no one on the roster to compete unless you want to count Hart, who actually won the job.
A rookie OL will start for the Giants if he's talented enough -- which shouldn't be too much of a challenge.
It sounds good on paper, though.
Reese tried to sign guys in FA last year but they went elsewhere.
From all indications all FA tackles brought in were told they were being brought in to compete for the RT job, that the LT job was already taken. This is something I have an issue with if true - almost as though we were trying to protect Flowers from having to compete for his job.
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The suck already so what is there to lose? Can't win without an OL. They got away with a lot this year. They also missed the playoffs for almost half a decade.
As far the previews, they're as close to fake news as there is as they've proven to be wrong year after year.
This OL passed "enough is enough" two years ago and they still stink. Look at this mess.
George Young and Ernie Accorsi took the better part of a decade (like many GMs) to understand how to manage a roster under the salary cap. Reese and other GMs are probably now just understanding how the impact on player development.
"They're not getting any better because they don't ever get to practice football," Cardinals coach Bruce Arians explained, via the Indianapolis Star's Stephen Holder. "Since we've made the rule changes, the quality of the athlete has gone way up, and the quality of the football has gone way down. ... When we draft them, they just go through the entire spring without pads just doing stupid a-- drills that don't get them any better."
Link - ( New Window )
It seems that the logical move for coaches would be twofold:
1. Simplify the game in order to be able to teach it more thoroughly in the limited practice time available.
2. This may already be happening, but reduce the changes the players encounter between college and pros. I'm sure this can be applied to any position on the field, but to my untrained eye the most glaring mistakes are made with young, mobile quarterbacks that are converted by coaches into pocket QBs to their detriment.
It seems that the logical move for coaches would be twofold:
1. Simplify the game in order to be able to teach it more thoroughly in the limited practice time available.
2. This may already be happening, but reduce the changes the players encounter between college and pros. I'm sure this can be applied to any position on the field, but to my untrained eye the most glaring mistakes are made with young, mobile quarterbacks that are converted by coaches into pocket QBs to their detriment.
Indeed. Simplifying things, kind of like what McAdoo did I suppose. Imagine if his coaches had a chance to coach. I knew they limited padded practices, but 14 per season? That's mind boggling.
That's not how you draft.
Why simply take a position if that position isn't worthy of being picked.
And why would you draft OL in the first four rounds when there are much better players to improve your football team at other positions????
They did that w Flowers. Who was no where near a top 10 pick. Same w Pugh. He's been very solid but Kyle Long who went one spot after him as been a lot better Maybe he was the best OL on the team the last two years but that's really saying more about the OL. HE hasn't sniffed a Pro bowl. Very solid career but no one is giving him some huge contract of the Giants let him go.
I don't dislike Vernon as a player and I think we were better this year for having had him. But he is being paid like a premier pass rusher and we had trouble generating a conventional pass rush all season.
Osemele is making huge money, yeah. For a guard. $25 million guaranteed over 5 years is significant. But it's still less than half of the guaranteed money Vernon got. If Osemele is making obscene money, then we need to come up with a new word for Vernon.
Great post. IMO Reese has blinders on when it comes to DE and WR. as if a Gronk or a Kelce isn't as valuable as a WR. Vernon's cash could have gone to him easily. He's gettin Von Miller money. Didn't play near that level even when healthy. Great kid. Great teammate but he as some proving to next year. Snacks and Hankins were monsters this year. He saw a ton of single teams.
You think Reese and the coaching staff will be comfortable with the same OL group in '17?