NFT: Knicks Chat: Sixers tonight

i really wish knicks didnt sign thomas to the deal he got, i feel like hornacek has to play him even though kuz is better

attend the game

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the fact that this os funny, is just the sad state of being a knicks fan right now

They are a mess and our defense is nonexistent

which obviously was not much, but it almost seemed like it was being homesick and needed to talk to his family...

you would think if his mother was sick or someone in his family was hurt he would not of come back that quickly...

now this could just be the team.and coach atickingnup for him, but they all backed him up and said they understood, still really weird

on from Rose being MIA... I'm growing really tired of him bitching about the defense given the fact his defense has been really bad as well. He's asked about the offense then gives the defense answer every time as if he realizes that's what people want to hear.

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on from Rose being MIA... I'm growing really tired of him bitching about the defense given the fact his defense has been really bad as well. He's asked about the offense then gives the defense answer every time as if he realizes that's what people want to hear.

i think in chicago he had such a good defensive team around him and great defensive coach that it hid him very well and lets be honest he probably played harder for thibs on that end. mainly because thibs let him do whatever he wanted on the offensive end...

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In comment 13321136 DanMetroMan said: Quote: on from Rose being MIA... I'm growing really tired of him bitching about the defense given the fact his defense has been really bad as well. He's asked about the offense then gives the defense answer every time as if he realizes that's what people want to hear. i think in chicago he had such a good defensive team around him and great defensive coach that it hid him very well and lets be honest he probably played harder for thibs on that end. mainly because thibs let him do whatever he wanted on the offensive end...

I think you are 100% right on both counts. I don't have anything against Rose (even after this incident) but it just gets tedious seeing him "care" so much about defense and then not bringing it on the court. You are right though, both points seem valid.

we finally get to see Chasson Randle tonight!

but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying.

whos going to show up and can we finally just win a damn game

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but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying.

No he doesn't. He doesn't fight over screens and he bails on the play as soon as the player gets the slightest step.

His defensive technique is horrible.

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In comment 13321170 dep026 said: Quote: but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying. No he doesn't. He doesn't fight over screens and he bails on the play as soon as the player gets the slightest step. His defensive technique is horrible.

he relies to much on the big to step up, rather than just going under the screen

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but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying.

Man, you have to withdraw your tongue from Rose's ass at some point.

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but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying.

Dep, just wanted to apologize to you for my rude comments about your NBA/NCAAB thread. I was extremely frustrated after that Packers hail mary.

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In comment 13321170 dep026 said: Quote: but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying. Man, you have to withdraw your tongue from Rose's ass at some point.

Saying he isn't very good at defense is a compliment?

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In comment 13321170 dep026 said: Quote: but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying. Dep, just wanted to apologize to you for my rude comments about your NBA/NCAAB thread. I was extremely frustrated after that Packers hail mary.

I as well. I hate when the giants lose.

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In comment 13321207 Deej said: Quote: In comment 13321170 dep026 said: Quote: but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying. Man, you have to withdraw your tongue from Rose's ass at some point. Saying he isn't very good at defense is a compliment?

Any time a criticism of Rose is leveled, you effectively say that someone is worse, or someone else is causing the problem. Rose isnt good on D? Well others arent even trying.

From the games Im watching, Rose isnt trying. His backdoor is wide open.

that's a lot of cheddar. But the guy's super good.

Stoudemire of guards on PnR defense.

No LMA but also Giannis played 9 ineffective minutes due to sickness.

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In comment 13321237 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 13321207 Deej said: Quote: In comment 13321170 dep026 said: Quote: but he isnt very good at it anymore. I think he sees certain players not trying. Man, you have to withdraw your tongue from Rose's ass at some point. Saying he isn't very good at defense is a compliment? Any time a criticism of Rose is leveled, you effectively say that someone is worse, or someone else is causing the problem. Rose isnt good on D? Well others arent even trying. From the games Im watching, Rose isnt trying. His backdoor is wide open.

Um... context people! Context!!

In comment 13321167 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13321159 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13321136 DanMetroMan said: Quote: on from Rose being MIA... I'm growing really tired of him bitching about the defense given the fact his defense has been really bad as well. He's asked about the offense then gives the defense answer every time as if he realizes that's what people want to hear. i think in chicago he had such a good defensive team around him and great defensive coach that it hid him very well and lets be honest he probably played harder for thibs on that end. mainly because thibs let him do whatever he wanted on the offensive end... I think you are 100% right on both counts. I don't have anything against Rose (even after this incident) but it just gets tedious seeing him "care" so much about defense and then not bringing it on the court. You are right though, both points seem valid.

I think Rose is just frustrated with the team's style of play, which obviously does not lend itself to defense. Rose probably even acknowledges that he's not a good defensive player but the team's style of play is just awful in my opinion. And Rose knows it. The Knicks could be a good defensive team with Rose at the helm, I firmly believe that.

Not a gimme but I expect to win.

In comment 13321271 djm said:

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In comment 13321167 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13321159 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13321136 DanMetroMan said: Quote: on from Rose being MIA... I'm growing really tired of him bitching about the defense given the fact his defense has been really bad as well. He's asked about the offense then gives the defense answer every time as if he realizes that's what people want to hear. i think in chicago he had such a good defensive team around him and great defensive coach that it hid him very well and lets be honest he probably played harder for thibs on that end. mainly because thibs let him do whatever he wanted on the offensive end... I think you are 100% right on both counts. I don't have anything against Rose (even after this incident) but it just gets tedious seeing him "care" so much about defense and then not bringing it on the court. You are right though, both points seem valid. I think Rose is just frustrated with the team's style of play, which obviously does not lend itself to defense. Rose probably even acknowledges that he's not a good defensive player but the team's style of play is just awful in my opinion. And Rose knows it. The Knicks could be a good defensive team with Rose at the helm, I firmly believe that.

Syrup or jelly?

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I think Rose is just frustrated with the team's style of play, which obviously does not lend itself to defense. Rose probably even acknowledges that he's not a good defensive player but the team's style of play is just awful in my opinion. And Rose knows it. The Knicks could be a good defensive team with Rose at the helm, I firmly believe that. [/quote]

Unless he learns how to play defense at the point of attack then no. It won't ever be good with Rose at the helm.

my messed up editing of the quote above.

How much are these guys truly invested in the success of the team?

Is Phil Jackson really all in, or did he just want the money and the ego gratification of being hailed as the savior?

Is Carmelo taking the easy way out? Just putting up numbers and getting paid, knowing that he'll always be able to say that he was loyal and the Knicks just didn't put the pieces around him.

Does Derrick Rose care at all about helping the Knicks win games? Of course not. Blowing off games, bitching about playing time after a dramatic win, refusing to pass more because he wants to pads stats for free agency, etc.

The Knicks need to play guys who will play their hearts out for the team: KP, Jennings, Lance, Willy, Kuz, Holiday, O'Quinn, Baker and - on a limited basis - Noah. I think Lee gives an honest effort, but we should explore trade options there. Rose should be traded, benched or bought out. Melo trades should be explored - if he refuses to waive the no-trade, tell him he's coming off the bench.

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In comment 13321167 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13321159 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13321136 DanMetroMan said: Quote: on from Rose being MIA... I'm growing really tired of him bitching about the defense given the fact his defense has been really bad as well. He's asked about the offense then gives the defense answer every time as if he realizes that's what people want to hear. i think in chicago he had such a good defensive team around him and great defensive coach that it hid him very well and lets be honest he probably played harder for thibs on that end. mainly because thibs let him do whatever he wanted on the offensive end... I think you are 100% right on both counts. I don't have anything against Rose (even after this incident) but it just gets tedious seeing him "care" so much about defense and then not bringing it on the court. You are right though, both points seem valid. I think Rose is just frustrated with the team's style of play, which obviously does not lend itself to defense. Rose probably even acknowledges that he's not a good defensive player but the team's style of play is just awful in my opinion. And Rose knows it. The Knicks could be a good defensive team with Rose at the helm, I firmly believe that.

He could lead a good defensive team if he had kawhi Leonard and Rudy gobert behind him.

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He could lead a good defensive team if he had kawhi Leonard and Rudy gobert behind him.

I feel that way about Melo. Put him on a team with some star defenders. Hide him a bit, reduce his offensive responsibilities, play him 28 minutes. Melo's defense would be a revelation according to the media. Doesnt mean squat for the 2016 Knicks tho.

I see the 76ers a lot since they are my home station and they either look pretty good or downright awful. They have absolutely no guard play, so this would be a game where Rose should have the ball in his hands a lot.

Also, Porz will have opportunities going against Illysova and Saric.

I am calling a double technical for Embiid and Noah tonight. Embiid is a passionate player and Noah will try to get under his skin.

Is it really time to tank. If the answer is yes then this is a good game to start. If it's no then we better win. I'm torn cause I love the Knicks!

whether they try to or not. They've lost 8 out of 9, Rose has checked out, Melo will soon check out (the shoulder injury is his ready-made excuse) - it's time to start paying closer attention to college prospects.

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whether they try to or not. They've lost 8 out of 9, Rose has checked out, Melo will soon check out (the shoulder injury is his ready-made excuse) - it's time to start paying closer attention to college prospects.

We need to get Rose off this team and cash in Jennings, KOQ and Holiday for whatever we can get.

there are 3 dreadfuls in the East (PHI, MIA, BK). The West is unbelievable. Portland is on pace for 34.8 wins... and the 8 seed. 8 Western teams are not on pace for 35 wins. OKC, the 7 seed, is on pace for 48 wins. Im not sure we've ever seen anything like this. A 13+ win (pace) gap between the 7 and 8 seed.

I could see Orlando passing us by in the East, maybe Minnesota out West, since they're playing a little better. We're at #13 right now so it'll be a close call.

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In comment 13321292 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: He could lead a good defensive team if he had kawhi Leonard and Rudy gobert behind him. I feel that way about Melo. Put him on a team with some star defenders. Hide him a bit, reduce his offensive responsibilities, play him 28 minutes. Melo's defense would be a revelation according to the media. Doesnt mean squat for the 2016 Knicks tho.

Essentially what the Knicks did with Allan Houston

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there are 3 dreadfuls in the East (PHI, MIA, BK). The West is unbelievable. Portland is on pace for 34.8 wins... and the 8 seed. 8 Western teams are not on pace for 35 wins. OKC, the 7 seed, is on pace for 48 wins. Im not sure we've ever seen anything like this. A 13+ win (pace) gap between the 7 and 8 seed.

If we sell off assets I think we will finish behind Portland, sac and Denver, the 3 teams fighting for the 8 spot in the west.

They've been .500 since holiday returned.

will pick after all the non-playoff teams regardless of record.

... I want them to tank but their upcoming schedule is pretty "easy"

They have the Sixers, Suns and Dallas 3 of the next 9 + games against even teams like the Bulls and Hawks.

Next 15 games they play Sixers, Suns, Dallas, Bulls, Hawks (twice), Wizards twice, Lakers, Hornets

i predict following the 3/16 game vs. Brooklyn the Knicks are the 6 or 7 seed position

Even in those rare years when they keep their pick, they always seem to drop from where they would have picked without the lottery.

If Melo was amenable, I'd jump at unloading him, and Rose, and Thomas, etc., etc.

Courtney Lee probably has the most value. Jennings can be moved, but you're leaving yourself awfully thin at PG if Rose gets hurt or disappears again. O'Quinn might get you a late first or a second rounder, but why not wait til draft night? Otherwise I'm not seeing much, even if they wanted to sell. Willy and Kuz have some nice chemistry with KP - that's something that should be cultivated.

for a #2 is a massive pass for me.

but if they had traded O'Quinn for a #2 last year and drafted a guy like Brogdon, we'd all be pretty happy about it. It's something I would only do on draft night - if there's a guy sitting there that Clarence Gaines loves, and for whatever reason we can't just buy a pick, I'd be fine with it.

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for a #2 is a massive pass for me.

Me too. I'd want something in the late teens. Even pick 25 doesnt motivate me.

Also, I'd hang on to Willy. Of course you worry about his D, but he's a rookie Euro. Euro bigs D often lags but comes around to be competent or better (Im also convinced that good D is usually about team and scheme). Willy's per 36 stats as a Euro rookie who could use a year or two in US training are pretty good. 14.5 points, 12.1 rebounds (!), 1.3 blocks, almost a steal, 2.2 assists. 55% shooting and 69% FT. There is a LOT to work with there. Even if it is in a Kanter-like bench C role, Willy could be a real good piece here.

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but if they had traded O'Quinn for a #2 last year and drafted a guy like Brogdon, we'd all be pretty happy about it. It's something I would only do on draft night - if there's a guy sitting there that Clarence Gaines loves, and for whatever reason we can't just buy a pick, I'd be fine with it.

Sure if we can go back in time KOQ for Brogdon is a no-brainer however for every Brogdon there are 20+ others who won't have NBA careers each year. If a specific player fell to a spot where the Knicks absolutely loved them, then yeah sure I'd deal KOQ but right now without this scenario it's a major pass for me.

The NBA draft CW exists for a reason - most of the time, it's correct. What happened with Brogs was that they rigidly clung to the CW rather than approaching his evaluation with an open mind and seeing 1)that he wasn't nearly as unathletic as some people assumed - not the quickest, but VERY strong for a guard. He's a powerfully built dude 2)that he dominated some players who were NBA bound - I think here of Brandon Ingram, who was absolutely torching us in Cameron until Brogdon shifted over to guard him and shut him down completely 3)that he possesses rare intelligence and maturity. His BBIQ and work ethic are off the charts.

It was a huge mistake for so many teams to overlook him, but he's a rare bird.

It's water under the bridge at this point, but I was hoping the Knicks would trade or buy into the second round to grab him. Seemed like a safe bet to be at least a solid guard who would be effective on both ends of the court. Our backcourt could use a little bit of that. We have two second rounders this year so hopefully a similar player is on the board.

defensive schemes. And Rambis is a big part of the issue which includes many of the new players.

Knicks would do with Baker what Milwaukee is doing with Brogdan. Baker is a big, strong guard, like Brogdan, who can shoot the ball pretty well and play defense, something neither of our current PG's can do.

a first on his own. He's getting 18-20 minutes on a crap Knicks team. If we package him with Lee, Jennings and/or Holiday and get back another shitty contract then maybe we get a 1st back.

Quite unfortunately no one is dying to get any players on our team except KP.

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Knicks would do with Baker what Milwaukee is doing with Brogdan. Baker is a big, strong guard, like Brogdan, who can shoot the ball pretty well and play defense, something neither of our current PG's can do.

Baker is a flaming pile of garbage.

so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball..

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In comment 13321596 EricNY33 said: Quote: Knicks would do with Baker what Milwaukee is doing with Brogdan. Baker is a big, strong guard, like Brogdan, who can shoot the ball pretty well and play defense, something neither of our current PG's can do. Baker is a flaming pile of garbage.

Ok... thank you for that amazing analysis

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so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball..

Yet he managed to get 4 assists anyway....

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In comment 13321607 nygiants16 said: Quote: so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball.. Yet he managed to get 4 assists anyway....

because he is a ball mover, he will always make the extra pass and he can get assists that way...

but he is not going to consistently drive and find his teammates..

but he is always going to make the extra pass and play defense

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In comment 13321617 EricNY33 said: Quote: In comment 13321607 nygiants16 said: Quote: so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball.. Yet he managed to get 4 assists anyway.... because he is a ball mover, he will always make the extra pass and he can get assists that way... but he is not going to consistently drive and find his teammates.. but he is always going to make the extra pass and play defense

We have two guys now who drive. One doesn't care to find his teammates and the other can't finish so he HAS to find his teammates.

Look... I am not saying he's going to be a great player, but compared to the guys on the roster let me see if this kid who has defied the odds at every level can be a player. Even if it's someone like a Dellavedova type. I'd rather see that then watch a player who's clearly in it for the money only.

i am just saying he is not a point guard..

i think he is perfect next to jennings...

holiday has kind of soured for me a little bit

But Baker went undrafted for a reason. Jeremy Lin is like the greatest undrafted player of all time and he's a replacement level PG.

It's sad it's gotten to a point where fans want to see Baker, Plumlee and Kuz on the floor.

jennings baker kuz kp herangomez..

in reality it will be jennings holiday lance kp oquinn

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But Baker went undrafted for a reason. Jeremy Lin is like the greatest undrafted player of all time and he's a replacement level PG. It's sad it's gotten to a point where fans want to see Baker, Plumlee and Kuz on the floor.

Kuz is a seasoned European player. It's not sad we want to see him. He can contribute lol

Who the hell has any desire to see Fredo playing?

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In comment 13321643 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: But Baker went undrafted for a reason. Jeremy Lin is like the greatest undrafted player of all time and he's a replacement level PG. It's sad it's gotten to a point where fans want to see Baker, Plumlee and Kuz on the floor. Kuz is a seasoned European player. It's not sad we want to see him. He can contribute lol

Yeah I guess if we are still trying to "compete". And like how Dan alluded to, given our schedule we might still be in the playoff hunt over the next month or so even though we clearly can't compete with any relevant teams save the Bucks. It's silly that schedule is probably going to dictate the direction of the team. It's desperate that they are going to look past disciplining Rose for his actions just to get in a spot to get swept by the Cavs, raptors or Celtics.

But if someone calls up offering a couple of 2nd rounders for Kuz or a first rounder with him in a package of other players would anyone really hesitate?

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Who the hell has any desire to see Fredo playing?

I don't think anyone has said we need to see more Plumlee lol

100 times more in a big spot than lance thomas

he is signed for 3 years and is only 27 years old, he can be a rotation player on a very cheap deal

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he is signed for 3 years and is only 27 years old, he can be a rotation player on a very cheap deal

Well that's the reason he'd carry trade value no?

This is all hypothetical assuming we get rid of rose mid season but I still don't buy that phil would just sell off assets regardless of how bad this team is. But in a scenario that rose is unloaded you'd assume guys like Kuz/Oquinn (maybe even Holiday) would carry value because they are cheap and cost controlled.

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In comment 13321675 nygiants16 said: Quote: he is signed for 3 years and is only 27 years old, he can be a rotation player on a very cheap deal Well that's the reason he'd carry trade value no? This is all hypothetical assuming we get rid of rose mid season but I still don't buy that phil would just sell off assets regardless of how bad this team is. But in a scenario that rose is unloaded you'd assume guys like Kuz/Oquinn (maybe even Holiday) would carry value because they are cheap and cost controlled.

even if you trade rose and melo, i am not trading kuz or oquinn...

these guys are cheap rotation players

I don't think I'd deal him for a second round pick, but as a package for a first? Absolutely.

I'm not saying sell them off for anything but if those guys are the difference between an extra 1st round pick then you absolutely do it. What use is a cheap rotational piece if you're not going to compete? They have nice contracts until they don't and then you're stuck paying them to a point where they lose value or just letting them walk.

If rose is getting shipped then everyone save KP is on the table for a price. Even Willy. Although it have to be a damned good offer because he's the only guy on the team that will be useful in KP's prime. Guy has skills.

is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me.

Only KP is a non-starter. Everyone else is available for the right return. Doesn't mean I want them given away, but only if they ask for Porzingis should the Knicks be hanging up the phone.

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is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me.

Hmm idk even that. If Boston offers the nets pick sure I'd give up Willy but if we're dealing away Rose, Melo and the rest of the farm then idc much for Noah's contract. What, is Noah going to keep us from tanking? Yeah, right. I like Willy. I'd only deal him for a top 10 pick, which no one would offer for him anyways.

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In comment 13321691 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me. Hmm idk even that. If Boston offers the nets pick sure I'd give up Willy but if we're dealing away Rose, Melo and the rest of the farm then idc much for Noah's contract. What, is Noah going to keep us from tanking? Yeah, right. I like Willy. I'd only deal him for a top 10 pick, which no one would offer for him anyways.

I expect Melo to finish out his contract here. Rose will likely just be allowed to walk. Melo/KP/Lee etc will make the Knicks just "good" enough to never be truly awful. I like Willy but I'm not crying if we deal him. Porzingis dealt and I'm done with the Knicks. Zero issue dealing KOQ or Kuz if the value is right, neither is going to come back and haunt us. Yeah their contracts have value, but they are what they are. Solid extra players.

In comment 13321704 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13321699 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: In comment 13321691 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me. Hmm idk even that. If Boston offers the nets pick sure I'd give up Willy but if we're dealing away Rose, Melo and the rest of the farm then idc much for Noah's contract. What, is Noah going to keep us from tanking? Yeah, right. I like Willy. I'd only deal him for a top 10 pick, which no one would offer for him anyways. I expect Melo to finish out his contract here. Rose will likely just be allowed to walk. Melo/KP/Lee etc will make the Knicks just "good" enough to never be truly awful. I like Willy but I'm not crying if we deal him. Porzingis dealt and I'm done with the Knicks. Zero issue dealing KOQ or Kuz if the value is right, neither is going to come back and haunt us. Yeah their contracts have value, but they are what they are. Solid extra players.

I'm not crying if we deal Willy but if it's for the right price. Getting rid of Noah just doesn't seem like the right price for me. If he's another Enes Kanter you got a solid 6th man you can give 25 minutes a game on a good team. But if he's not getting you back someone you can pair with KP in 4-5 years then the value isn't right for me. Maybe I'm overvaluing him but the dude has legit NBA skills.

Thibs will be and if he isn't I wonder if he opts to make a culture change i.e. Noah for Dieng.

Other trades I imagine that need salary filler to make work are Rose + NDour for Brandon Knight + PJ Tucker (in this scenario, the Suns save a bunch of $) or Rose + Ndour for Darren Colison + Garret Temple + Omari Casspi.

and agree Noah probably isnt the killer deal if we really go into a rebuild, where it will be hard to get people to take our $$ anyway.

In any event, I dont move Willy to free a contract until we actually need the cap space. We've made this mistake before -- moved assets to clear cap space that we didnt end up needing.

I think Willy (if he wasn't getting jerked around minutes wise) would be our best BIG

taking a break from the Knicks next season if Phil trades Rose for a guy like Knight.

but I see only one better alternative for next year unless they luck out in the lottery (Jrue Holiday)

was just benched due to defensive effort...and is signed 2019-2020. There is no way in hell I'm taking on a contract like that. There are 15-20 PG's as good or better, can't lock yourself into a Brandon Knight.

it means the Knicks for the next 2 seasons are

PG Knight- (12.6, 13.6, 14.6, 15.6)
SG Lee (11.7, 12.5, 12.7)
SF Melo
PF KP
C Noah (17.8, 18.5, 19.3)

with Knight, Lee, Noah the next 3 and Knight the next 4.

(because you are right)

what PGs do you see as viable options besides Holiday?

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(because you are right) what PGs do you see as viable options besides Holiday?

Lonzo Ball
Markelle Fultz
Dennis Smith
De'aron Fox
The French dude

level...but nice job lately

the next 2

Curry (yeah right), Paul, Lowry, Smart (restricted), Rondo, Livingston, Hill,

sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

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sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

I read it as more of a speculation

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sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

i really think its either homesick or missing his kid

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sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

There's plenty of basis. For starters, he's on the Knicks. Playing for the Knicks...shit he might as well just take bat shit crazy pills. Rose is turning into Marbury before our very eyes.

neither made the trip

I honestly didn't mean to portray it differently than the information. Beer personally is speculating Rose has mental health/emotional issues.

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In comment 13321854 nygiants16 said:

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neither made the trip

More minutes and shots for Grant and Lopez. And with the way the Knicks have defended, they are going to look like legitimate starters!

are trying to make it work, feel bad for the coach and the fans.

Rebuilding crap has been going on for ever.

Phil, Melo, Rose, Noah - these guys are rich beyond our wildest dreams and as of late they are terrible at their jobs.

"What's his name is working out now, right Kenny?"

Kenny: (awkward pause)..."Ben Simmons.."

sides

wow...

when he is playing like this the bench looks great..

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you can see why they are in a lot of games then lose at the end, they are athletic and play hard but when it comes down to winning they do not go to their offensive guys..

covington and embiid are probably their 2 most talented offensive guys, why no two man game with them?

there is a huge difference between ability and winning in the NBA. Partially because it is a game of runs and guys playing 80% by design (though less of that in the new NBA where guys dont play 40 minutes). So many NBA games come down to one team stepping up in the last 5 minutes and it isnt random. The veteran, gelled teams do it better.

Hence teams like Philly and Minnesota's records are worse than their talent suggests it should be. Because so far they lack the "closer" talent.

Also Im not following the Sixers, but if Okafor is physically able to play, it is criminal that he is not out there in 3 of 4 games.

the bigs together so 1 always doesnt play..

and why is kp not playing?

okafor does not play

the whole defense was above the arc.

covington and embiid both hit prayer 3s

Noah had to stick him.

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Noah had to stick him.

he banked it in

fucking losers

Porz bit the dust tonight. Airballed a wide open three.

saw that coming

lol.

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i said knicks are going to lose at buzzer..

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that as bad a loss you will see. Don't know what to say. Hornacek ain't exempt from blame in my opinion. His rotation stuff is weird. Thomas over KP in the 4th?

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Liar

and wtf was hornacek doing putting lance thomas in the game?

I guess one step closer to a top 10 pick? IDK

like that. Years. I'm just used to our buzzer beaters being a hundredth of a second too late (Amare, KP).

God this organization sucks.

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lol.

Criticizing melo for the sake of criticizing Melo. He was denying the baseline, well. It was a turnaround step back jumper with a bit of a push off to boot.

Melo missed a ton of big shots, KP air balls a wide open 3, philly hit some prayers.

I'm not complaining but I thought the time ran out.

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Melo missed a ton of big shots, KP air balls a wide open 3, philly hit some prayers.

i can blame the coach when he has lance thomas in the game and kp on the bench and then decides to put him in cold

than being a Knicks fan? I mean this team is year in and year out a bunch of losers and even when they give you a glimmer of hope, they always let you down in the end.

In comment 13322135 Keith said:

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Melo missed a ton of big shots, KP air balls a wide open 3, philly hit some prayers.

The man picked to go with Lance Thomas over his 2nd leading scorer in the 4th quarter of a close game and you state 'you can't blame the coach'? Interesting.

but that last shot wasn't on him. He's not quick enough to stick w mcconnell

Played well. I never felt we would lose. I'm stunned

Can't wait to get that #13 draft pick fringe bench player to build around KP in about 4 years.

In comment 13322133 PhiPsi125 said:

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like that. Years. I'm just used to our buzzer beaters being a hundredth of a second too late (Amare, KP). God this organization sucks.

Jamal Crawford? David Lee's tip-in? Ummm. JR Smith? Fuck if I know.

never understanding how Lance Thomas played so many minutes for the New York Knicks.

In comment 13322137 Carl in CT said:

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I'm not complaining but I thought the time ran out.

The shot was easily on time. Put it up with at least half a second on the clock.

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In comment 13322123 dep026 said: Quote: lol. Criticizing melo for the sake of criticizing Melo. He was denying the baseline, well. It was a turnaround step back jumper with a bit of a push off to boot.

Melo played as much defense on that possession as the last guy on the bencj. Jennings picked up Henderson and Melo picked up Mcconnell. McConnell dribbled out and took a turn around jumper and Melo stood and watched. Defend him all you want, but thats melo's defense in a nutshell. That was his guy and no one elses.

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never understanding how Lance Thomas played so many minutes for the New York Knicks.

it is absolute joke...

In comment 13322146 bceagle05 said:

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never understanding how Lance Thomas played so many minutes for the New York Knicks.

Listening on the Sixers broadcast and they were amazed and said they would take that match up.

loves Thomas so much. He must be the worlds greatest practice player. Liz got the nod tonight and blew it.

In comment 13322145 Anakim said:

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In comment 13322133 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: like that. Years. I'm just used to our buzzer beaters being a hundredth of a second too late (Amare, KP). God this organization sucks. Jamal Crawford? David Lee's tip-in? Ummm. JR Smith? Fuck if I know.

LOL, JR Smiff's buzzer beater was beastly. I remember that...what's that, 4 years ago?

Kuz

early on?

and lose is an absolute joke..

and this is the same team that talked about bringing the 90s knicks back, these players dont deserve to hold ewing and the rest of those knicks jocks..

this team just needs to stop talking because thats all they do is talk

Jonathan Wasserman ‏@NBADraftWass
If season ended today, Knicks would pick 12th in the draft



I mean that's just cruel. Totally cruel. Obviously we have a lot more losing to do but 12th? After this debacle of a season? And this debacle of a history?

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early on?

Must've mentally blocked that out

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loves Thomas so much. He must be the worlds greatest practice player. Liz got the nod tonight and blew it.

i think he plays kuz just to appease the fans because literally as sokn as he misses a shot lance thomas is in..

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Jonathan Wasserman ‏@NBADraftWass If season ended today, Knicks would pick 12th in the draft I mean that's just cruel. Totally cruel. Obviously we have a lot more losing to do but 12th? After this debacle of a season? And this debacle of a history?

knicks will en with the 8th seed and get swept by cleveland

I mean that's like a Giants-esque blown lead

Took terrible shots and missed a few down the stretch when he could have put it away. Hornacek was visibly upset with Melos selection

It seemed like a good play and got KP a wide open shot...but why do we need to take such a low percentage shot there? I'll never understand. Just get the two points and D the fuck up.

At least I had the Ewing years when I was in high school. Didn't win shit because of MJ but at least it was fun to watch.

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didn't take 3 bad shots in a row in the 4th quarter, nor did he airball a completely wide-open three at the end of the game.

Lance Thomas plays because he tries to defend, nothing more, nothing less.

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Especially when Rose's son wasn't in Chicago...he was in Punta Cana

or gets another shot the next game. Kuz has a bad stretch and you don't see him for a week. One guy has a long leash the other has none

team. Get rid of all that salary and all that shitty play.




Of course knowing the Knicks, they'd probably use that money to give Rose the max...

kp needs to have better defensive awareness, embiid turned his back to the basket, as soon as he did that he needs to go to mcconel and double...there would of been no shot..

instead he just stands there

In comment 13322170 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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didn't take 3 bad shots in a row in the 4th quarter, nor did he airball a completely wide-open three at the end of the game. Lance Thomas plays because he tries to defend, nothing more, nothing less.

Agreed. Players had a few chances to finish and they blew it. Melo and KP blew it

I have to assume coaches are happy with his D and effect on team D. Knicks D is like a glove with five thumbs. Lots of guys doing something (some doing nothing) but nothing cohesive. My theory is that Noah-KP-Thomas is the makings of a team defense.

of the game, I can't go crazy about anything else I saw.

(Although, it's a sad day in Knick Land when Melo is getting taken off the dribble by Ilyasova.)

He needs a night off.

In comment 13322177 Deej said:

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I have to assume coaches are happy with his D and effect on team D. Knicks D is like a glove with five thumbs. Lots of guys doing something (some doing nothing) but nothing cohesive. My theory is that Noah-KP-Thomas is the makings of a team defense.

Watch carefully, I thought Noah got away with a lot of hacks on Embiid. The officials were kind to him in this game. Fast athletic big man get to the basket so easy on him now.

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He needs a night off.

Agreed. What's the worst that can happen? If we win, we lose. If we lose, we win.


Time to watch some Justin Jackson, Malik Monk, D'Aaron Fox, Dennis Smith Jr. and lots of others.

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In comment 13322183 Deej said: Quote: He needs a night off. Agreed. What's the worst that can happen? If we win, we lose. If we lose, we win. Time to watch some Justin Jackson, Malik Monk, D'Aaron Fox, Dennis Smith Jr. and lots of others.

You watch Justin, I'll watch the better Jackson.... Josh

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In comment 13322190 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13322183 Deej said: Quote: He needs a night off. Agreed. What's the worst that can happen? If we win, we lose. If we lose, we win. Time to watch some Justin Jackson, Malik Monk, D'Aaron Fox, Dennis Smith Jr. and lots of others. You watch Justin, I'll watch the better Jackson.... Josh

Just goes to show you how in the dark I am about NBA prospects. Haha

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He needs a night off.

Didn't he just have a few games off?

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In comment 13322183 Deej said: Quote: He needs a night off. Didn't he just have a few games off?

Yeah, he was injured

is just rotten. They couldn't put together a more unlikable group of players outside of Porzingis if they tried. Just awful to watch.

nice defense by Carmelo on the final shot. Didn't even make a fucking attempt to contest the shot when TJ did a spin move.

I have zero interest in watching him play on the Knicks. I hope Phil continues to rip him in the media so he then decides he'll waive his no trade to get out.

I would trade him for anything at this point, best offer regardless of what it is. He's a loser

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They are a mess and our defense is nonexistent

this is an impossible team to root for.

From the time Hornacek drew up the final play in the timeout to after the final shot, Melo's body language and antics were just awful.

In comment 13322280 MookGiants said:

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nice defense by Carmelo on the final shot. Didn't even make a fucking attempt to contest the shot when TJ did a spin move.

Yet there were people defending his defense on this thread alone. Talking about how he stopped a shitty PG from going baseline. He made no effort to get physical. He made no effort contesting. He just stood and watched the spin move for a turnaround shot.

Again, Melo doesnt even try on defense. Then of course he didnt get the last shot either so I am sure he was pissed about that too.

Great game from Rose though. Really carried them in the 4th. Until Melo got involved.

the willy or kuz for pj tucket trade to come down

The only players I give a shit about keeping are KP and Willy. To hell with the rest of them.

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Can't wait to get that #13 draft pick fringe bench player to build around KP in about 4 years.

Ooof...I don't know how to tell you this...but the Knicks ARENT tanking her.

This IS the competitive team with all of the "upside" you saw eye to eye with Phil in the offseason.

Sorry?

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