NFT: Knicks Chat: Sixers tonight

It's water under the bridge at this point, but I was hoping the Knicks would trade or buy into the second round to grab him. Seemed like a safe bet to be at least a solid guard who would be effective on both ends of the court. Our backcourt could use a little bit of that. We have two second rounders this year so hopefully a similar player is on the board.

defensive schemes. And Rambis is a big part of the issue which includes many of the new players.

Knicks would do with Baker what Milwaukee is doing with Brogdan. Baker is a big, strong guard, like Brogdan, who can shoot the ball pretty well and play defense, something neither of our current PG's can do.

a first on his own. He's getting 18-20 minutes on a crap Knicks team. If we package him with Lee, Jennings and/or Holiday and get back another shitty contract then maybe we get a 1st back.

Quite unfortunately no one is dying to get any players on our team except KP.

In comment 13321596 EricNY33 said:

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Knicks would do with Baker what Milwaukee is doing with Brogdan. Baker is a big, strong guard, like Brogdan, who can shoot the ball pretty well and play defense, something neither of our current PG's can do.

Baker is a flaming pile of garbage.

so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball..

In comment 13321600 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13321596 EricNY33 said: Quote: Knicks would do with Baker what Milwaukee is doing with Brogdan. Baker is a big, strong guard, like Brogdan, who can shoot the ball pretty well and play defense, something neither of our current PG's can do. Baker is a flaming pile of garbage.

Ok... thank you for that amazing analysis

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so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball..

Yet he managed to get 4 assists anyway....

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In comment 13321607 nygiants16 said: Quote: so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball.. Yet he managed to get 4 assists anyway....

because he is a ball mover, he will always make the extra pass and he can get assists that way...

but he is not going to consistently drive and find his teammates..

but he is always going to make the extra pass and play defense

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In comment 13321617 EricNY33 said: Quote: In comment 13321607 nygiants16 said: Quote: so like the bucks game for instance the offense was in melos hands and he distributed, baker played off the ball.. Yet he managed to get 4 assists anyway.... because he is a ball mover, he will always make the extra pass and he can get assists that way... but he is not going to consistently drive and find his teammates.. but he is always going to make the extra pass and play defense

We have two guys now who drive. One doesn't care to find his teammates and the other can't finish so he HAS to find his teammates.

Look... I am not saying he's going to be a great player, but compared to the guys on the roster let me see if this kid who has defied the odds at every level can be a player. Even if it's someone like a Dellavedova type. I'd rather see that then watch a player who's clearly in it for the money only.

i am just saying he is not a point guard..

i think he is perfect next to jennings...

holiday has kind of soured for me a little bit

But Baker went undrafted for a reason. Jeremy Lin is like the greatest undrafted player of all time and he's a replacement level PG.

It's sad it's gotten to a point where fans want to see Baker, Plumlee and Kuz on the floor.

jennings baker kuz kp herangomez..

in reality it will be jennings holiday lance kp oquinn

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But Baker went undrafted for a reason. Jeremy Lin is like the greatest undrafted player of all time and he's a replacement level PG. It's sad it's gotten to a point where fans want to see Baker, Plumlee and Kuz on the floor.

Kuz is a seasoned European player. It's not sad we want to see him. He can contribute lol

Who the hell has any desire to see Fredo playing?

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In comment 13321643 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: But Baker went undrafted for a reason. Jeremy Lin is like the greatest undrafted player of all time and he's a replacement level PG. It's sad it's gotten to a point where fans want to see Baker, Plumlee and Kuz on the floor. Kuz is a seasoned European player. It's not sad we want to see him. He can contribute lol

Yeah I guess if we are still trying to "compete". And like how Dan alluded to, given our schedule we might still be in the playoff hunt over the next month or so even though we clearly can't compete with any relevant teams save the Bucks. It's silly that schedule is probably going to dictate the direction of the team. It's desperate that they are going to look past disciplining Rose for his actions just to get in a spot to get swept by the Cavs, raptors or Celtics.

But if someone calls up offering a couple of 2nd rounders for Kuz or a first rounder with him in a package of other players would anyone really hesitate?

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Who the hell has any desire to see Fredo playing?

I don't think anyone has said we need to see more Plumlee lol

100 times more in a big spot than lance thomas

he is signed for 3 years and is only 27 years old, he can be a rotation player on a very cheap deal

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he is signed for 3 years and is only 27 years old, he can be a rotation player on a very cheap deal

Well that's the reason he'd carry trade value no?

This is all hypothetical assuming we get rid of rose mid season but I still don't buy that phil would just sell off assets regardless of how bad this team is. But in a scenario that rose is unloaded you'd assume guys like Kuz/Oquinn (maybe even Holiday) would carry value because they are cheap and cost controlled.

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In comment 13321675 nygiants16 said: Quote: he is signed for 3 years and is only 27 years old, he can be a rotation player on a very cheap deal Well that's the reason he'd carry trade value no? This is all hypothetical assuming we get rid of rose mid season but I still don't buy that phil would just sell off assets regardless of how bad this team is. But in a scenario that rose is unloaded you'd assume guys like Kuz/Oquinn (maybe even Holiday) would carry value because they are cheap and cost controlled.

even if you trade rose and melo, i am not trading kuz or oquinn...

these guys are cheap rotation players

I don't think I'd deal him for a second round pick, but as a package for a first? Absolutely.

I'm not saying sell them off for anything but if those guys are the difference between an extra 1st round pick then you absolutely do it. What use is a cheap rotational piece if you're not going to compete? They have nice contracts until they don't and then you're stuck paying them to a point where they lose value or just letting them walk.

If rose is getting shipped then everyone save KP is on the table for a price. Even Willy. Although it have to be a damned good offer because he's the only guy on the team that will be useful in KP's prime. Guy has skills.

is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me.

Only KP is a non-starter. Everyone else is available for the right return. Doesn't mean I want them given away, but only if they ask for Porzingis should the Knicks be hanging up the phone.

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is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me.

Hmm idk even that. If Boston offers the nets pick sure I'd give up Willy but if we're dealing away Rose, Melo and the rest of the farm then idc much for Noah's contract. What, is Noah going to keep us from tanking? Yeah, right. I like Willy. I'd only deal him for a top 10 pick, which no one would offer for him anyways.

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In comment 13321691 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me. Hmm idk even that. If Boston offers the nets pick sure I'd give up Willy but if we're dealing away Rose, Melo and the rest of the farm then idc much for Noah's contract. What, is Noah going to keep us from tanking? Yeah, right. I like Willy. I'd only deal him for a top 10 pick, which no one would offer for him anyways.

I expect Melo to finish out his contract here. Rose will likely just be allowed to walk. Melo/KP/Lee etc will make the Knicks just "good" enough to never be truly awful. I like Willy but I'm not crying if we deal him. Porzingis dealt and I'm done with the Knicks. Zero issue dealing KOQ or Kuz if the value is right, neither is going to come back and haunt us. Yeah their contracts have value, but they are what they are. Solid extra players.

In comment 13321704 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13321699 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: In comment 13321691 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is the only untouchable for me and it's not particularly close. Willy would be #2 but if the Twolves said they would take Noah's contract but needed Willy to do it... see ya boss. Otherwise there are guys I'd deal but it would depend on the return. A 2nd for Kuz or KOQ doesn't make sense to me. Hmm idk even that. If Boston offers the nets pick sure I'd give up Willy but if we're dealing away Rose, Melo and the rest of the farm then idc much for Noah's contract. What, is Noah going to keep us from tanking? Yeah, right. I like Willy. I'd only deal him for a top 10 pick, which no one would offer for him anyways. I expect Melo to finish out his contract here. Rose will likely just be allowed to walk. Melo/KP/Lee etc will make the Knicks just "good" enough to never be truly awful. I like Willy but I'm not crying if we deal him. Porzingis dealt and I'm done with the Knicks. Zero issue dealing KOQ or Kuz if the value is right, neither is going to come back and haunt us. Yeah their contracts have value, but they are what they are. Solid extra players.

I'm not crying if we deal Willy but if it's for the right price. Getting rid of Noah just doesn't seem like the right price for me. If he's another Enes Kanter you got a solid 6th man you can give 25 minutes a game on a good team. But if he's not getting you back someone you can pair with KP in 4-5 years then the value isn't right for me. Maybe I'm overvaluing him but the dude has legit NBA skills.

Thibs will be and if he isn't I wonder if he opts to make a culture change i.e. Noah for Dieng.

Other trades I imagine that need salary filler to make work are Rose + NDour for Brandon Knight + PJ Tucker (in this scenario, the Suns save a bunch of $) or Rose + Ndour for Darren Colison + Garret Temple + Omari Casspi.

and agree Noah probably isnt the killer deal if we really go into a rebuild, where it will be hard to get people to take our $$ anyway.

In any event, I dont move Willy to free a contract until we actually need the cap space. We've made this mistake before -- moved assets to clear cap space that we didnt end up needing.

I think Willy (if he wasn't getting jerked around minutes wise) would be our best BIG

taking a break from the Knicks next season if Phil trades Rose for a guy like Knight.

but I see only one better alternative for next year unless they luck out in the lottery (Jrue Holiday)

was just benched due to defensive effort...and is signed 2019-2020. There is no way in hell I'm taking on a contract like that. There are 15-20 PG's as good or better, can't lock yourself into a Brandon Knight.

it means the Knicks for the next 2 seasons are

PG Knight- (12.6, 13.6, 14.6, 15.6)
SG Lee (11.7, 12.5, 12.7)
SF Melo
PF KP
C Noah (17.8, 18.5, 19.3)

with Knight, Lee, Noah the next 3 and Knight the next 4.

(because you are right)

what PGs do you see as viable options besides Holiday?

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(because you are right) what PGs do you see as viable options besides Holiday?

Lonzo Ball
Markelle Fultz
Dennis Smith
De'aron Fox
The French dude

level...but nice job lately

the next 2

Curry (yeah right), Paul, Lowry, Smart (restricted), Rondo, Livingston, Hill,

sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

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sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

I read it as more of a speculation

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sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

i really think its either homesick or missing his kid

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sure what the basis is for this but Tommy Beer is suggesting Derrick Rose is dealing with mental health issues.

There's plenty of basis. For starters, he's on the Knicks. Playing for the Knicks...shit he might as well just take bat shit crazy pills. Rose is turning into Marbury before our very eyes.

neither made the trip

I honestly didn't mean to portray it differently than the information. Beer personally is speculating Rose has mental health/emotional issues.

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...It sure seems like there are some emotional/psychological issues Rose is dealing with"

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neither made the trip

More minutes and shots for Grant and Lopez. And with the way the Knicks have defended, they are going to look like legitimate starters!

are trying to make it work, feel bad for the coach and the fans.

Rebuilding crap has been going on for ever.

Phil, Melo, Rose, Noah - these guys are rich beyond our wildest dreams and as of late they are terrible at their jobs.

"What's his name is working out now, right Kenny?"

Kenny: (awkward pause)..."Ben Simmons.."

sides

wow...