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nicks14 : 1/11/2017 11:36 am
At the end of the day this is just a game it's not real life. I get as fans we want our teams to do well but when it crosses the line by spewing venom about these players on a personal level is it where it crosses the line. Odell is 24 he's a damn kid i'm 30 years old and damn it took until i was 25 to get it. Just because he plays in the NFL doesn't negate the fact that he's a kid. If you gave any of us the amount of money and fame he has at that age would we be mature? Maybe because athletes age differently than the rest of us but even victor is only 30still relatively young. I get being disappointed in this season but bashing these dudes personally is wrong.
Although I don't generally disagree with you  
jcn56 : 1/11/2017 11:38 am : link
I hate the 'he's a kid' perspective. He's not a kid. He's an adult. A grown man, responsible for making grown decisions.

He might still be a bit immature, and he needs to work on it, but whatever he is it's certainly not 'a kid'.
He's not 16 yrs old  
Giants2012 : 1/11/2017 11:39 am : link
either.
RE: Although I don't generally disagree with you  
nicks14 : 1/11/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13321348 jcn56 said:
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I hate the 'he's a kid' perspective. He's not a kid. He's an adult. A grown man, responsible for making grown decisions.

He might still be a bit immature, and he needs to work on it, but whatever he is it's certainly not 'a kid'.

..................................................................................................................................You're right kid is not the right term so i'll say he's a young man..
I also do not like the "he's a kid" bullshit  
SomeFan : 1/11/2017 11:47 am : link
I don't think he did anything wrong flying to Miami but is there a precise age that you no longer benefit from the "kid" excuse? Is it 25 because that is when you "got" it whatever that "got" was to get.
RE: Although I don't generally disagree with you  
allstarjim : 1/11/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13321348 jcn56 said:
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I hate the 'he's a kid' perspective. He's not a kid. He's an adult. A grown man, responsible for making grown decisions.

He might still be a bit immature, and he needs to work on it, but whatever he is it's certainly not 'a kid'.


I realize that people are going to lean with the "old-school" thinking on this, and that's ok. At 24, no matter what you call him, he is capable of having good judgement and accepting a good deal of responsibility. But the fact is, the science on adulthood isn't settled. From a maturity perspective, I know I grew a lot maturity-wise from 25 to 30. Everyone is different:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24173194
Certainly not making "kid" money.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/11/2017 11:53 am : link
Approx. 1.8m next year. I know it's not a lot of money by star NFL wide receiver standards, but enough where he should be held accountable for his immature actions.
RE: I also do not like the  
nicks14 : 1/11/2017 11:56 am : link
In comment 13321364 SomeFan said:
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I don't think he did anything wrong flying to Miami but is there a precise age that you no longer benefit from the "kid" excuse? Is it 25 because that is when you "got" it whatever that "got" was to get.

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Are you really this stupid? At 25 i knew right from wrong and i knew good from bad but 25 i was extremely selfish and all about what was best for me and not taking in account what was best for those around me. You don't grow about of being selfish and self absorbed just because you turn 18 which is considered the legal age. You 're suppose to grow tremendously from the ages 18 to 30. However i made the mistake of posting logic on a football site where obviously it was going to go over some fans heads who just see these guys as machines.
RE: Certainly not making  
nicks14 : 1/11/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13321381 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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Approx. 1.8m next year. I know it's not a lot of money by star NFL wide receiver standards, but enough where he should be held accountable for his immature actions.

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So the amount of money should determine your maturity level? There are 12 year olds that make millions of dollars a year should they expected to be treated like adults because of their salary.
24-year-olds  
Mr. Bungle : 1/11/2017 12:00 pm : link
aren't kids.
He is not like we were at 24  
PaulN : 1/11/2017 12:01 pm : link
He is making money and already has great fame, there goes with this a responsibility and either you get it or you don't, he don't, he is selfish and self serving, now with that said I am not trading him or even thinking about that crap, he needs to work on basics and stop concerning himself with these stupid fucking one handed catches that gave him his fame and seemed to ruin him in certain ways, how many times did we hear the words, I can't believe he dropped that pass this season. Time to grow the fuck up. Enough of handling him with kit gloves, but don't be an idiot like Reese and handle this in the media, that is pure bullshit.

I guess I am old school and I will always like the way George Young and Parcells handled things, and yes even LT, he didn't drop the ball in a playoff game. He also wasn't looking for the camera and making a spectacle of himself every time he did something, he had a serious problem, but it was not with his ego.
A young man with some maturing to do  
jcn56 : 1/11/2017 12:02 pm : link
I'm good with that - I was no different at his age. I'd like to say I was more responsible, but my actions weren't under the microscope in anywhere near the same way.
RE: RE: Certainly not making  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/11/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13321394 nicks14 said:
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Approx. 1.8m next year. I know it's not a lot of money by star NFL wide receiver standards, but enough where he should be held accountable for his immature actions.


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So the amount of money should determine your maturity level? There are 12 year olds that make millions of dollars a year should they expected to be treated like adults because of their salary.


Yes, that's what your paid to do.
It's just a game  
LCtheINTMachine : 1/11/2017 12:05 pm : link
That's why tickets and merchandise are so cheap, we have four games in London and scum like Jerry Jones will soon be in the Hall of Fame.

Yeah OK.
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Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/11/2017 12:06 pm : link
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Approx. 1.8m next year. I know it's not a lot of money by star NFL wide receiver standards, but enough where he should be held accountable for his immature actions.


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So the amount of money should determine your maturity level? There are 12 year olds that make millions of dollars a year should they expected to be treated like adults because of their salary.



Yes, that's what your paid to do.


And he certainly isn't 12 years old, he's 24
Responsibility of being the  
joe48 : 1/11/2017 12:09 pm : link
Jerry Reese has put OBJ on notice. This stuff has gone on for too long and needs to end. It is affecting the team and the player. If the you cannot handle the responsibility that goes with being the "Star" then you may be better served playing somewhere else. This is not tennis or golf where you are competing as an individual. Being part of a team and an organization means you have a responsibility to that organization especially since they sign your checks. The NY Giants will be around a lot longer than OBJ.
Delicate snowflakes  
penkap75 : 1/11/2017 12:11 pm : link
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RE: 24-year-olds  
Route 9 : 1/11/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13321398 Mr. Bungle said:
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aren't kids.


You'd be surprised at what lurks around out there...
As your standard, judgemental, middle-aged fan  
exiled : 1/11/2017 12:22 pm : link
I agree with you, nicks. Look, OBJ is always gonna be a colorful, animated player. (For whatever reason, WRs always seem to the ones...) A lot of people aren't going to like his style, but it does seem to be his style. It's not going to change.

I'll take it along with the talent.

He is going to learn how to perform under the pressure of a big game. (And hopefully, he has a lot of practice at that with the Giants.) But buckling under that pressure the first time is common as dirt in the NFL.

When I was 24 I was in Da Nang with the 1st Marines,  
GeorgeFox : 1/11/2017 12:53 pm : link
when we went out on patrol we were anything but kids! Odell, you are in the best situation anyone could wish for, have fun but think before you act.
OBJ  
Simms : 1/11/2017 1:09 pm : link
Great talent, wish him all the best.

But we had a shot at a superbowl this season, maybe slim and now its over.

Ask Dan Marino if he would have liked another shot at the SB.
Ask any Browns fan how they fell watching the Ravens win a SB after being taken from them. Yeah some soaked up the Cavs winning in the NBA, its all they got, for some still not the same.
Ask Cubs fans who took radios to graveyard to listen to game seven with loved ones long gone.

Ask Chis Calloway if he would like that fumble recovery back.

The list can go on. Somethings remain the same.

Nicks  
joeinpa : 1/11/2017 1:12 pm : link
I m much older than you, but I remember being your age and OBJ s.

You are right of course, my perspective on things is very different now. Looking back there are things in all avenues of my life I would do differently.

As to the personal attacks, there s no excuse for them, and the age of the target has nothing to do with it.

Those personal attacks say much more about the attacker than anyone else. But sadly that s the go to move with some here.

Good post
He's jussa kid fer crissakes  
Brown Recluse : 1/11/2017 1:14 pm : link
=)
numbed  
Simms : 1/11/2017 1:24 pm : link
I think compared to the giants now vs the era from 1965 to 1981, we are more forgiving due to two titles against Brady who many consider the GOAT.

But what if we do not play in a SB again until 2027?
OR NOT sniff the playoffs again until 2021?

Yeah, we plugged more than a few holes in our defense, and DRC when down and we seemed less. One guy.

Never take chances for granted. OBJ and Shep did not show up in this game. Lets hope for better things next season.


I have no doubt  
OBJ_AllDay : 1/11/2017 1:35 pm : link
That BBI has some hot heads who have put holes in walls or injured themself over a girl or something stupid at age 23, 24 whatever the age may be. So continue to throw your stones and be happy the camera isn't on you 24/7.

Just find it amusing that several players in this league regularly have to be held back from teammates and coaches from physical or verbal altercations and screaming matches but the pitchforks come out for a guy who lives and breathes football and who's teammates have never had a bad word to say about him.
It's just a game  
mrvax : 1/11/2017 2:03 pm : link
nicks14 : 11:36 am
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At the end of the day this is just a game it's not real life.


It's the end of a season nicks, not just a game. Great season though, IMO
didnt you guys get the memo?  
ed90631 : 1/11/2017 3:18 pm : link
30 is the new 14. Nobody can be held responsible for any thing they do before 30 nowadays... "there still a kid".

if they cross some line its because "society has failed them".

Western civilization is heading for a good place. Thank God I probably wont be here to see it.
RE: didnt you guys get the memo?  
Giants2012 : 1/11/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13321727 ed90631 said:
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30 is the new 14. Nobody can be held responsible for any thing they do before 30 nowadays... "there still a kid".

if they cross some line its because "society has failed them".

Western civilization is heading for a good place. Thank God I probably wont be here to see it.


Hilarious, sad and maybe true. Society has failed them . . . better text about it.
All I have to say is these two words  
blueblood'11 : 1/12/2017 7:31 am : link
Terrell Owens. Now I'm not saying Odell fits in that category yet. Owens was kind of the reverse when you look at their career arcs. He started making his impact on special teams and just as he was slowly but surely making his way into diva status bam!!!

There he was. A full blown diva in all its ugly glory. And it became the never ending story. Everyone thought they could change him and that he would change but it only got worse and it ripped teams apart. Most notably the Eagles.

As for Odell all it took was one unbelievable catch and it was instant stardom. And as he was skyrocketing not a lot of controversy existed until that infamous confrontation with Josh Norman. Since then the press and media in general hang on every move every word he utters. I believe his arc, with regards to his behavior, is going in the opposite direction as we saw with Owens.

He has tried to be more in control on the field and while he is still the best player on offense the Giants have has shown he is capable of critical drops at the most inopportune times. They all drop passes. But when he does it big news. As a result people will look to criticize. And I guess rightfully so.

The bottom line is he is nowhere near the Terrell Owens situation. Yet. And if it comes to that, and let's be honest, it could be headed in that direction, it will be for a much different set of circumstances.

In his own way is he going to grow to be a royal pain or continue to grow and be the best he can be and eliminate all the other bullshit that puts a spotlight on him for all the wrong reasons. Let's face it, it's like chum to the media. They eat this shit up and it is in many ways a major distraction that can really tear a locker room apart.

Look at what all anyone wanted to talk about before and after the loss. Shoot, he wasn't the only one on that boat. Yet he was the one the focus shined on the most. He needs to continue to nip that in the bud because even when he is doing nothing wrong the media will something wrong with it.
TO "ripped the Eagles apart"  
Glover : 1/12/2017 8:51 pm : link
but they never made a Super Bowl until he got there. So theres that.
I think most knowledgeable people around the league dont think the boat trip was the reason why Odell had a bad game, and the Giants lost. I think he had a bad game because the moment was too big for him. Nerves got the better of him. I would not have thought that would be the case. He seems like a guy who comes up big in big moments, but he has never been in a game as big as the last one he was in.
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