1. Our Giants were #1 in the league in least penalties per game at 5.4. Yes - the same Giants that towards the latter half of Coughlin's era seemed to be one of the most penalized game after game...this is a huge change. The home Skins game and OL drive killing penalties probably made it seem a lot worse, but we were very disciplined this year from an overall team standpoint. Keep this message going for next year and we are in good shape there.
2. Lots of folks are calling for a new OC or an OC change. There's just no way this is happening. Not even in the realm of possibility I don't think. All along, it has been personnel and not play calling that hurt them this season. We also committed to the run a lot more (or so it seemed) and that was at times frustrating but ultimately it paid off because hell, we won 11 games. Keep the same offense in place, just upgrade some spots on the OL and we'll be fine.
3. Regarding the OL, my opinion is - just get more talent on the line and figure the positions out from there. Pugh at LG and Richburg at C are pretty much set in stone. Just get 2 good, professional guys out there who love to get after it, and hope that Flowers can get himself into gear, either at LT or on the right side. My hope would be at least 1 new starter from FA, possibly 2. And another OL within the first 3 rounds of the draft. The OL really isn't as bad as some people think...just needs tinkering and we'll be off and running next season...*hopefully*.
4. Losing both JPP and Hank would be pretty unaccpetable. I wouldn't blame Reese for letting 1 go, but retaining 1 of them is really important. My guess is Hank walks for much more money than Reese thinks he's worth, and we reload with another DT in FA or the draft that can step in. Basically the same thing that happened with Linval. Hank is good, but he's not a world beater. I'd prioritize JPP over him - and see what him and Vernon can do over a full season + playoffs...health considered.
5. Let's pump the brakes a bit with the Darian Thompson talk. He looked like a great pick early, but we haven't seen much of him. Next year will essentially be his rookie year, and he'll make mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised if we sign another veteran safety for competition with him and Adams. Not sure what Hall's contract is off the top of my head.
6. Let's just call it like it is...Perkins looks like he's going to be really good. Let's give him the rock early next year and see what he can do behind a hopefully improved OL. I like we brought him along slowly, but let's get moving with it and stop wasting downs and drives with close handoffs up the middle to a slower back.
7. Defense is absolutely stacked, crazy to think it could be better next season with more experience. No complaints here.
8. Draft: for me it's DL-OL-TE-WR probably in that order. Adding talent to the front lines will only make us a better team on the road, something we struggled with this year ironically.
9. McAdoo first season...don't really have any complaints. We won games that we always seem to lose largely due to game management and having a feel for things out there. We didn't just start slinging it when we were down, and we also didn't just stubbornly stick to a gameplan without adjusting. We've found a coach who has the right temperament and pulse of the team to succeed. Now let's go get him some better players out there.
Defense dictates playcalling. If every team plays us 2 high safety, we can't sling the ball down the field every down. Our play calling was perfect against GB in the first half, and we couldn't catch the ball. That's the OC's fault?
The way teams played us all year was indicative of these things. Everybody played two high safeties and forced us to run the ball and knew, for the most part, we couldn't because we had a terrible offensive line.
So, okay, we fixed the D last year so Reese, get off your ass, and fix the O this off season. We need one, if not two new offensive linemen depending on what we do with Flowers. Personally, I'm about ready to sit his ass on the bench. The fact Mac said his technique is still poor after 33 starts, two training camps and all that practice time is a reflection of him, not the coaching. Both Flats and Solari are first rate OL coaches. The problem is 74. At this point in time, he is a complete DOLT!
I would go after Jeffrey or someone similar. We certainly need to get a TE but hopefully Johnson will be back in good health. I would keep Tye, Adams and Lacosse but hope the door doesn't hit Donnell in the ass fast enough. Don't see Victor being back and the fact he was on that Miami thing and didn't steer these guys away from that is a big NEGATIVE. He is gone.
It would be nice to get a dynamic running back in the draft, if we can.
My position on Hankins and JPP are clear if we can't retain both..
You're missing the point. We all know he's still under contract, but there has been talk that his salary/cap hit might be too high for '17 and thus the Giants might sever ties with him..That's where the restructure possibility comes in inorder to hopefully work things out so that we don't have to let him go..That would be a huge loss at this point, imo
On a side note, the Giants' FO is studying and sifting through the upcoming draft class with a fine tooth comb for a QB. They will be drafting one to groom as the eventual successor to Eli. I think they like and trust Nassib, but he's at the point in his life he deserves a shot at starting so he'll be going the free agent route to get that shot. Whoever takes over for Eli will be on hold for a couple of years and Nassib has held long enough. If Nassib is smart, he will go to a team with a proven offensive line and if he gets that, he should flourish.
I'm curious how early in the draft the Giants go to pick up a QB.
For me: I hope they go OL or TE in the first, and would be happy as a puppy with two peters if they went OL in the first and second rounds. But who knows what will be on the board when it's our turn. I have great faith in Reese in the first two rounds. I will be glued to the TV to see who they get for a QB to become Eli's understudy for a couple of years
On a side note, the Giants' FO is studying and sifting through the upcoming draft class with a fine tooth comb for a QB. They will be drafting one to groom as the eventual successor to Eli. I think they like and trust Nassib, but he's at the point in his life he deserves a shot at starting so he'll be going the free agent route to get that shot. Whoever takes over for Eli will be on hold for a couple of years and Nassib has held long enough. If Nassib is smart, he will go to a team with a proven offensive line and if he gets that, he should flourish.
I'm curious how early in the draft the Giants go to pick up a QB.
For me: I hope they go OL or TE in the first, and would be happy as a puppy with two peters if they went OL in the first and second rounds. But who knows what will be on the board when it's our turn. I have great faith in Reese in the first two rounds. I will be glued to the TV to see who they get for a QB to become Eli's understudy for a couple of years
what has Nassib done that he deserves a shot to start? And what has he shown to make anyone think that he will "flourish" if only he has a good OL? Here's a clue: HE STINKS!
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had a great season and they got better as the season progressed. Hopefully, they keep the core of both units together as they seem to have good chemistry.
On a side note, the Giants' FO is studying and sifting through the upcoming draft class with a fine tooth comb for a QB. They will be drafting one to groom as the eventual successor to Eli. I think they like and trust Nassib, but he's at the point in his life he deserves a shot at starting so he'll be going the free agent route to get that shot. Whoever takes over for Eli will be on hold for a couple of years and Nassib has held long enough. If Nassib is smart, he will go to a team with a proven offensive line and if he gets that, he should flourish.
I'm curious how early in the draft the Giants go to pick up a QB.
For me: I hope they go OL or TE in the first, and would be happy as a puppy with two peters if they went OL in the first and second rounds. But who knows what will be on the board when it's our turn. I have great faith in Reese in the first two rounds. I will be glued to the TV to see who they get for a QB to become Eli's understudy for a couple of years
what has Nassib done that he deserves a shot to start? And what has he shown to make anyone think that he will "flourish" if only he has a good OL? Here's a clue: HE STINKS!
Well....haters gonna hate!
There's not enough game time under Nassib's belt to make such a pronouncement. He's far more athletic than Eli with a cannon for an arm. What Eli has is his ability to read defenses and act on the fly almost like a coach while lined up for a play. Eli uses his football brain, not his superior athletic ability like a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson. What Nassib lacks is NFL experience and game time knowledge. But he's stood beside Eli for three years learning what Eli does - how he thinks, and how he approaches the game depending on the defensive setup. He's soaked up Eli's understanding of the game and how a QB goes about it.
As far as experience goes, he's been in 5 NFL games and has a career passer rating of 152.1 - hardly numbers to cause such disdain for a guy who has kept his mouth shut and gone about acting professionally while waiting his turn.
I never understood the hatred for the guy from some fans. He isn't hated by his teammates or the coaches. And he has had so little opportunity to actually gain a game face that it isn't known what he could do if given the opportunity to start somewhere.
I live near Syracuse and watched him all through college and have followed him closely since he was drafted. He's made some rookie mistakes and showed some early jitters, but in actual NFL games he is 9 for 10 with a TD and no interceptions. Very, very small sample size, but you can't take those numbers away from him.
To say, "he stinks" means that you know far more than the coaching staff and front office of the Giants. They gave him a $2,613,600 contract to basically watch games from the sideline and have the best seat in the house while getting to pick Eli's brain. That's a lot of money for someone who "stinks". I've heard it said that Nassib has the best job in the world.
Regardless, if Nassib goes to free agency, you can bet a team will pick him up to see what he can do and he'll probably get the opportunity to sink or swim. If he flames out like Johnny Manziel or Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf...then you can honestly say "he stinks". But for now - it's a meaningless condemnation of the man
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if he showed anything they would keep him.
I live near Syracuse and watched him all through college and have followed him closely since he was drafted. He's made some rookie mistakes and showed some early jitters, but in actual NFL games he is 9 for 10 with a TD and no interceptions. Very, very small sample size, but you can't take those numbers away from him.
To say, "he stinks" means that you know far more than the coaching staff and front office of the Giants. They gave him a $2,613,600 contract to basically watch games from the sideline and have the best seat in the house while getting to pick Eli's brain. That's a lot of money for someone who "stinks". I've heard it said that Nassib has the best job in the world.
Regardless, if Nassib goes to free agency, you can bet a team will pick him up to see what he can do and he'll probably get the opportunity to sink or swim. If he flames out like Johnny Manziel or Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf...then you can honestly say "he stinks". But for now - it's a meaningless condemnation of the man
Let me fill you in on something: he couldn't hit the side of barn. He was awful when he played with the 1st team this year in preseason. And now he's hurt. He's done as a Giant. And comparing a 4th rounder to guys who were picked 1st in the draft (Russell), 2nd in the draft (Leaf) or 22nd in the draft (Manziel) is moronic. 4th round picks don't get extra chances.
no, I just know alot more than you.
IF the Giants game planned with a bad OL in mind, then it's high time to fix the fucking OL already. If the Giants like the OL more than anyone else does, then the coaches are completely lost and Eli is chicken shit.
I'll go with the former. Fix the OL once and for all and let's game plan like we've got a pair.
This whole thought process that the Giants are doomed when Eli retires is just awful. Fuck that. Prepare for post Eli now. Get the QB when you can. If it means drafting a guy in round 1 that's worthy...go for it.
This whole thought process that the Giants are doomed when Eli retires is just awful. Fuck that. Prepare for post Eli now. Get the QB when you can. If it means drafting a guy in round 1 that's worthy...go for it.
Agree. Just don't reach. But definitely prepare now if you can and try to avoid a rerun of Brown/Kannell/Graham for 6 years.
If you can draft Russel Wilson or Derek Carr instead of taking Jumbo Elliot, take the QB.
It's not the scheme. The same staff that had the offense playing capably in 2015 now all of a sudden forgot how to run an offense? Aint buying it. The offense lacked star power at RB, WR and TE and the OL was shaky or average at best.
If you can draft Russel Wilson or Derek Carr instead of taking Jumbo Elliot, take the QB.
Except, given Eli's Favre ironman's status and his sound arm (despite what some might think on here), it is rather safe to assume(though certainly not guaranteed) that Eli's back-up QB will sit as Nassib has and will leave for FA, more than likely. As I've said, there is no reason why Eli won't play at a high or reasonably high level possibly into his 40s as Brady (almost there) and Brees undoubtedly will..We need to be careful with how high a pick we expend. If you believe Brady, Brees, possibly Rivers will play until 40 or beyond, there's NO REASON not to expect Eli to..
Agreed and there are no guarantees, but sheesh, is Eli the only older guy (one who has escaped serious injury) who needs to be replaced soon?
Eli isn't mobile. He's a classic, thinking, pocket QB. That's great as long as you have a great wall around him.
What I have noticed this season, is Eli frequently throwing the ball away before a play has had a chance to unfold. It's due (IMHO) to his desire to not get hit or sacked and he senses that the wall is collapsing.
Teams with a mobile QB can get away with a less than stellar line to protect him. Eli will never be in that position. I believe he consciously is taking care of his body and hence, dumps the ball to avoid the hit and/or loss of yards.
If he stays healthy and has more than 2.4 seconds to get rid of the ball - he should be good to go for another 4 or 5 years. I watched Rogers have nearly 10 seconds to look around on a couple plays and an average of 4-5 seconds. Eli would look like the best QB in the NFL if he had that kind of pocket time.
Regardless, he's never going to be anything other than a highly cerebral pocket QB with a great sense of humor. So we MUST get a good wall in front of him and targets to hit. Also, a power RB to compliment Perkins would help out Eli a lot. The return of Johnson should also help.
Bottom line: build the best offensive line in the NFL and add a big bull of a RB, a solid TE, and maybe a tall WR. It would be a walk in the park to the 5th Lombardi
In short, he looks like David Carr.
It was always going to be a two year process to rebuild this roster. Here comes the hard part...Phase 1 relied on a $180 million dollar spree in free agency. You don't get that two years in a row. Reese and Company can't buy themselves out of the remaining issues facing them. There is some cap space and it can be increased with some judicious personnel cuts...I'd estimate we'll be in the neighborhood of $50-55M when all is said and done to upgrade the talent. Of course we have to get some in house guys re-upped. JPP and Hankins in particular.
Issues such as figuring out how to solve the problems facing a struggling young LT and how that is resolved going forward. Issues such as upgrading the quality and depth of the WR corps. Issues such as getting fresher, more dynamic legs and ultimately more production from your offensive backfield. Issues such as a RG that can't get movement in the ground game. Issues such as a TE group that are mediocre blockers that lack dynamic playmaking ability.
There is work to be done if this franchise is going to contend for the Lombardi trophy in 2017. It's doable if the men in charge develop and execute the proper plan for this offseason.
What are you talking about? We had pretty much the same people on offense, minus Rueben Randle and a FB. Are you saying Randle made that much of difference?? or a FB, for the matter? We had the same young TEs, with an additional year under their belts. The same young LT with an additional year under his belt. Pugh, Richburg.
Our season was over before it even started when Jerry Reese stood pat and content with John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse as 2/5s of our O-line.
My position on Hankins and JPP are clear if we can't retain both..
DRC's contract is interesting. Isn't he 42 next year? How much can you spend on him?
This whole thought process that the Giants are doomed when Eli retires is just awful. Fuck that. Prepare for post Eli now. Get the QB when you can. If it means drafting a guy in round 1 that's worthy...go for it.
If the Giants draft a QB, it will be another pick tossed in the trash to go with Nassib, Bomar, Woodson, etc.
There's a huge benefit to having a QB playing on a rookie deal. That's lost if you draft a QB now.
Eli isn't mobile. He's a classic, thinking, pocket QB. That's great as long as you have a great wall around him.
What I have noticed this season, is Eli frequently throwing the ball away before a play has had a chance to unfold. It's due (IMHO) to his desire to not get hit or sacked and he senses that the wall is collapsing.
Teams with a mobile QB can get away with a less than stellar line to protect him. Eli will never be in that position. I believe he consciously is taking care of his body and hence, dumps the ball to avoid the hit and/or loss of yards.
If he stays healthy and has more than 2.4 seconds to get rid of the ball - he should be good to go for another 4 or 5 years. I watched Rogers have nearly 10 seconds to look around on a couple plays and an average of 4-5 seconds. Eli would look like the best QB in the NFL if he had that kind of pocket time.
Regardless, he's never going to be anything other than a highly cerebral pocket QB with a great sense of humor. So we MUST get a good wall in front of him and targets to hit. Also, a power RB to compliment Perkins would help out Eli a lot. The return of Johnson should also help.
Bottom line: build the best offensive line in the NFL and add a big bull of a RB, a solid TE, and maybe a tall WR. It would be a walk in the park to the 5th Lombardi
While I agree, the question remains...didn't reese know this LAST year???? At least a little effort to help the o-line would have gone a long way!!!!
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this year was due to lack of talent, not coaching. We had no real outside WR opposite OBJ, no tight end that threatened the middle of the field and at least three of five OL spots that were below par. Combine that with no good blocking fullback or use of a good blocking TE as an H-back and you have serious problems.
What are you talking about? We had pretty much the same people on offense, minus Rueben Randle and a FB. Are you saying Randle made that much of difference?? or a FB, for the matter? We had the same young TEs, with an additional year under their belts. The same young LT with an additional year under his belt. Pugh, Richburg.
Our season was over before it even started when Jerry Reese stood pat and content with John Jerry and Marshall Newhouse as 2/5s of our O-line.
Well, teams do scout ya know....and they make adjustments. Things that worked the first two years, don't necessarily work the next, particularly with the same personnel. Where did the Giants upgrade?
True that it's up to the Giants staff to adjust, but sometimes you can only do so much with the talent you have.
You don't just cut him for cap space, unless you have a replacement.....his skills/speed are still there.....however, he has been known to get nicked during a game.....unfortunately, it happened in the last game.......
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Strongly I say!
Defense dictates playcalling. If every team plays us 2 high safety, we can't sling the ball down the field every down. Our play calling was perfect against GB in the first half, and we couldn't catch the ball. That's the OC's fault?
its the OCs job to figure out a way to beat what the defense is doing and all season long we never did find a way to do that, there has to be a way to beat the 2 high safety defense used against us.....