Thoughts on the future of the team?
In regards to Rose, I don't think he should be back after this year if he is just not going to show up to his job because he "misses his kid," and then not tell anyone. He also wants a max deal? It would be pretty ridiculous if the Knicks decided to give him a max. Then again, it's the Knicks. Who knows with this franchise.
In my opinion, Melo needs to go. He isn't getting any younger and the Knicks will never win a championship with him on the roster.
This isn't Melo's team anymore. It's clearly KP's. I think it's obvious to everyone in New York, besides Phil Jackson, that everything should be built around KP.
It'll be embarrassing if the team loses to Philly tonight.
+500. Everyone focused on the Cavs or Warriors... how about other teams loading up on young talent? Heck, even the poorly constructed Bucks have maybe the #3 best player in the NBA + Parker (and others).
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is that while the Knicks get worse, four or more other teams in the East get better every year and are sitting on even more high draft picks. And they are fairly young teams. The Knicks are years away from even being average, with no history of showing that they can even get there. Tradeable assets? Stop.
+500. Everyone focused on the Cavs or Warriors... how about other teams loading up on young talent? Heck, even the poorly constructed Bucks have maybe the #3 best player in the NBA + Parker (and others).
I strongly disagree with this. The east is still awful after the Cavs. The Bulls, Pacers, Heat, and Magic have gotten worse. The Celtics and Raptors may have gotten better but are not legitimate threats and would be near an 8 seed in the West. The Bobcats are stuck in purgatory. The Hawks are selling.
Sure the Bucks are better, but they are no better than a .500 team. The 76ers have been in full tank mode for 5 years now and still have question marks.
Yup sums it up everything in a paragraph pretty much.
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In comment 13322332 DCOrange said:
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is that while the Knicks get worse, four or more other teams in the East get better every year and are sitting on even more high draft picks. And they are fairly young teams. The Knicks are years away from even being average, with no history of showing that they can even get there. Tradeable assets? Stop.
+500. Everyone focused on the Cavs or Warriors... how about other teams loading up on young talent? Heck, even the poorly constructed Bucks have maybe the #3 best player in the NBA + Parker (and others).
I strongly disagree with this. The east is still awful after the Cavs. The Bulls, Pacers, Heat, and Magic have gotten worse. The Celtics and Raptors may have gotten better but are not legitimate threats and would be near an 8 seed in the West. The Bobcats are stuck in purgatory. The Hawks are selling.
Sure the Bucks are better, but they are no better than a .500 team. The 76ers have been in full tank mode for 5 years now and still have question marks.
Isn't that sad? That the raptors would be an "average" playoff team in the west yet the Knicks haven't fielded a team nearly as good as this current raptors team in 20 years?
It has absolutely to do with everything. Boston with Horford being 30, Johnson 29, Thomas 27 - their window is what exactly?
Toronto... Carroll is 30, Derozan is 27, Lowry is 30.... once Lebron leaves in 3-4 years.... these two teams wont be factors. Hawks the same thing with Millsap and Howard.
The only teams with a young bright future is the 76ers and Bucks and they are still severely flawed teams. You can make up the talent with a few years if you need too.
Sure it does. These purgatory teams will have higher draft picks for the next 3-4 years while the knicks get better draft picks.
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East currently being "awful" does nothing for the future of the Knicks
Sure it does. These purgatory teams will have higher draft picks for the next 3-4 years while the knicks get better draft picks.
What? The East being terrible in 2017 helps the Knicks going forward? This quoted statement is truly bizarre. "Terrible" teams will get higher picks...
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does current record have to do with going forward, talent on rosters etc? Absolutely nothing. Go look at teams around the league at the bad/rebuilding teams, how many have less young talent? The Nets? I mean it's a very limited list.
It has absolutely to do with everything. Boston with Horford being 30, Johnson 29, Thomas 27 - their window is what exactly?
Toronto... Carroll is 30, Derozan is 27, Lowry is 30.... once Lebron leaves in 3-4 years.... these two teams wont be factors. Hawks the same thing with Millsap and Howard.
The only teams with a young bright future is the 76ers and Bucks and they are still severely flawed teams. You can make up the talent with a few years if you need too.
What's the window of the Knicks exactly? It closed in 2011 when Melo, Rose and Noah were all premier players.
Because you have a piece. And if this team continues to stumble, which is looking exactly like its going to do, you may get a top 10 pick. Getting rid of Rose this year. Trade melo, and continue the regrouping.
A team of Jackson, Drummond, KCP aint winning anything ever. And they will be good enough to land a 6-8 seed and never get into the lottery because the east sucks.
Yes, the 76ers, Twolves, and Bucks have the young talent now. The knicks can get that same type of talent in the direction they are going in. Get a lottery pick, hopefully land a top 3 pick. Imagine missing the playoffs and getting a Fox or Ball for next year? Thats progress.
they probably needed 1 more tank to get to the upper echelon of the east...
so now they have to hit on a late first or 2nd round pick like the warriors did to turn them into a contender...
Thats why you either bench or trade melo. Tell him he is not part of the future anymore. Tell him his minutes will be cut. Tell him he is not the center of the offense anymoree.
He will want out instantly.
clarence gaines has to earn his money
they probably needed 1 more tank to get to the upper echelon of the east...
so now they have to hit on a late first or 2nd round pick like the warriors did to turn them into a contender...
Wait why?
1) Their best player is 1 year older than KP and is going to be a perennial MVP candidate who gets better each year over the next 3-4 years at least.
2)Their 2nd best player is the same age as KP and is a buddining all star and potential all NBA type.
3)Their 3rd best player hasn't played a game this season.
4)Their rookie PG is the steal of the draft and while he isn't particularly young he should still improve as he gets NBA experience in the next year or two.
And again, the Knicks have 3-4 years before Lebron is gone and you can add a dearth of talent so when he does leave, you can compete with anyone. They still have tohit on a lot of things, but it is definitely possible.
And again, the Knicks have 3-4 years before Lebron is gone and you can add a dearth of talent so when he does leave, you can compete with anyone. They still have tohit on a lot of things, but it is definitely possible.
I mean yeah he is but so was Melo. Plus Parker doesn't dominate the ball like Melo does and is an efficient shooter.
Right now the Knicks probably wont make the playoffs. If they can land a top 10 pick, or even sneak up into the top 3 - they can stock load talent, and fast.
Agree with this 100%. Thats why telling him his minutes will be cut and rose/Porz will be the center of the offense will force him to want to leave.
Right now the Knicks probably wont make the playoffs. If they can land a top 10 pick, or even sneak up into the top 3 - they can stock load talent, and fast.
So they won't be contenders until the Cavs and presumably the warriors aren't as big of powerhouses they are now?
I'd certainly take that now. Trying to build a "contender" when Lebron is in your conference and there is a team with 4 future HoFers in their prime in the other conference is a way to lie to yourself to keep getting revenue.
Sure it's a business and considering the hit tanking causes your business it's hard to go that route if you are the CFO of the team.
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the Bucks do have talent, however they arent going to be contenders probably for 2-3 years maybe even longer. The Knicks can get there. They have 1 piece is Porz. They have Rose ocming off the books. The Noah contract is bad, but trading Anthony can negate that some.
Right now the Knicks probably wont make the playoffs. If they can land a top 10 pick, or even sneak up into the top 3 - they can stock load talent, and fast.
So they won't be contenders until the Cavs and presumably the warriors aren't as big of powerhouses they are now?
I'd certainly take that now. Trying to build a "contender" when Lebron is in your conference and there is a team with 4 future HoFers in their prime in the other conference is a way to lie to yourself to keep getting revenue.
Sure it's a business and considering the hit tanking causes your business it's hard to go that route if you are the CFO of the team.
If you are asking at this very moment who will be contenders furst bucks ir knicks? i am saying bucks..
that doesnt change the fact that they still have a lot of work to do..
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the Bucks do have talent, however they arent going to be contenders probably for 2-3 years maybe even longer. The Knicks can get there. They have 1 piece is Porz. They have Rose ocming off the books. The Noah contract is bad, but trading Anthony can negate that some.
Right now the Knicks probably wont make the playoffs. If they can land a top 10 pick, or even sneak up into the top 3 - they can stock load talent, and fast.
So they won't be contenders until the Cavs and presumably the warriors aren't as big of powerhouses they are now?
I'd certainly take that now. Trying to build a "contender" when Lebron is in your conference and there is a team with 4 future HoFers in their prime in the other conference is a way to lie to yourself to keep getting revenue.
Sure it's a business and considering the hit tanking causes your business it's hard to go that route if you are the CFO of the team.
If you are asking at this very moment who will be contenders furst bucks ir knicks? i am saying bucks..
that doesnt change the fact that they still have a lot of work to do..
And I'm just saying it's hard to criticize their method of building by just saying "they have work to do". Shit 29 teams every year "have work to do". Doesn't mean what they have been doing is wrong. Many GMs now are accepting building with an eye to the future with the powerhouses the cavs/warriors currently are. With that line of thinking I don't see a team you'd wanna be other than the Bucks from a talent standpoint. Sure you'd probably always wanna be a Spurs fan no matter what. But the Raptors, Rockets, Thunder, Clippers, Celtics and Grizzlies are all good basketball teams that will ultimately lose to the Cavs/Warriors over the next few years.
I guess the Celtics at least have the assets of a tanking team without actually having to tank which is a pretty sweet deal.
unless your a team that is going to get that superstar in free agency or by trade..
obviously either way you have to get lucky..
obviously either way you have to get lucky..
Yeah don't see how it's any different once a team gets two stars. They face the same exact challenges any team with two stars face whether they got there by tanking or by FA.
And it should be noted that luring superstars as of this year will be pretty much an impossible way to build a team. So the Bucks and Sixers are ahead of the curve in that respect.
Pun intended?
Or am I the dick for pointing that out?
Ignore this forgot that the NBA did a ceremony since his heart problems occurred before he got drafted.
I just assumed Popovich was going to get this guy on his team.
Yeah just remembered that happened. He was a lottery selection before everyone found out he was blind in one eye.
He has very KP-esque tools in his game. In fact, when I first saw KP that's the guy who he reminded me of.
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Is Zaza still a starter in the west?
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went undrafted due to his Marfan's disease. The NBA "drafted" him as a ceremonial gesture. Doctors have since cleared him to play.
Yeah just remembered that happened. He was a lottery selection before everyone found out he was blind in one eye.
He has very KP-esque tools in his game. In fact, when I first saw KP that's the guy who he reminded me of.
Austin has no where near the shooting ability as KP.
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went undrafted due to his Marfan's disease. The NBA "drafted" him as a ceremonial gesture. Doctors have since cleared him to play.
Yeah just remembered that happened. He was a lottery selection before everyone found out he was blind in one eye.
He has very KP-esque tools in his game. In fact, when I first saw KP that's the guy who he reminded me of.
Austin has no where near the shooting ability as KP.
Well...yeah...the whole "seeing out of one eye thing" certainly hurts in that area.