Thoughts on the future of the team?
In regards to Rose, I don't think he should be back after this year if he is just not going to show up to his job because he "misses his kid," and then not tell anyone. He also wants a max deal? It would be pretty ridiculous if the Knicks decided to give him a max. Then again, it's the Knicks. Who knows with this franchise.
In my opinion, Melo needs to go. He isn't getting any younger and the Knicks will never win a championship with him on the roster.
This isn't Melo's team anymore. It's clearly KP's. I think it's obvious to everyone in New York, besides Phil Jackson, that everything should be built around KP.
It'll be embarrassing if the team loses to Philly tonight.
I have a seriously difficult time guessing what they'd even be able to get back for him at this point.
Anyone care to venture a guess there?
I have a seriously difficult time guessing what they'd even be able to get back for him at this point.
Anyone care to venture a guess there?
Addition by subtraction. Trying to quantify his current value is a waste of time. If the season ended today he'd be at career lows in a bunch of stats.
Uh, WTF?
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I'm upset the Knicks drafted KP. They are ruining a promising player's career. Much like NO is with Anthony Davis.
Obviously was being facetious but at this rate aiming for how NO surrounds AD with talent would be an improvement for the way the Knicks are handling business right now.
I agree, Rose blew his chance. He's not someone you can count on. Id love to trade melo, but he's in a cushy situation and I don't think he cares to mess that up, at least not to win.
Phil took a gamble, I get why and it was worth a shot(except for Noah's deal)but it's not going to work. It's a shame because at their peak, they showed that the can be a 3-4 seed, but that's faded quickly.
Time to do what you did last time and flip the switch to tank and acquire assets.
This is phils fault.
So why crappy? The organization stinks.
So why crappy? The organization stinks.
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Unfortunately for me that was before I was born and so my standard for Knicks basketball is the second round exit against the Pacers 4 years ago.
The kid is very young so no alarm bells yet. But everyone assumes he is going to become the next Dirk and that is not necessarily the case. Probably not a good idea to judge anyone based on this shit team. But he has seemingly regressed a bit the last few weeks.
except that he's Latvian.
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except that he's Latvian.
And it's Brook, and he isnt.
I feel as if Randle would have found a slot at backup PG by next year, at an extremely low price.
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The kid is very young so no alarm bells yet. But everyone assumes he is going to become the next Dirk and that is not necessarily the case. Probably not a good idea to judge anyone based on this shit team. But he has seemingly regressed a bit the last few weeks.
The last week he's missed 2 games with the Achilles. Last two he's not been up to par. In between he averaged 20/5 and 3.5 blocks in 32 minutes (average). In those two he shot 12-for-25 and 70% on 3s.
His minutes are down the last two and he sat almost the entire 4th last night. Something's off with his health.
And you're a step from sounding alarms and who knows how close to pulling the plug?
C'mon man.
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In comment 13322180 Vanzetti said:
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except that he's Latvian.
And it's Brook, and he isnt.
And, this. Classic. bahahahaha
+500. Everyone focused on the Cavs or Warriors... how about other teams loading up on young talent? Heck, even the poorly constructed Bucks have maybe the #3 best player in the NBA + Parker (and others).
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is that while the Knicks get worse, four or more other teams in the East get better every year and are sitting on even more high draft picks. And they are fairly young teams. The Knicks are years away from even being average, with no history of showing that they can even get there. Tradeable assets? Stop.
+500. Everyone focused on the Cavs or Warriors... how about other teams loading up on young talent? Heck, even the poorly constructed Bucks have maybe the #3 best player in the NBA + Parker (and others).
I strongly disagree with this. The east is still awful after the Cavs. The Bulls, Pacers, Heat, and Magic have gotten worse. The Celtics and Raptors may have gotten better but are not legitimate threats and would be near an 8 seed in the West. The Bobcats are stuck in purgatory. The Hawks are selling.
Sure the Bucks are better, but they are no better than a .500 team. The 76ers have been in full tank mode for 5 years now and still have question marks.
Yup sums it up everything in a paragraph pretty much.
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In comment 13322332 DCOrange said:
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is that while the Knicks get worse, four or more other teams in the East get better every year and are sitting on even more high draft picks. And they are fairly young teams. The Knicks are years away from even being average, with no history of showing that they can even get there. Tradeable assets? Stop.
+500. Everyone focused on the Cavs or Warriors... how about other teams loading up on young talent? Heck, even the poorly constructed Bucks have maybe the #3 best player in the NBA + Parker (and others).
I strongly disagree with this. The east is still awful after the Cavs. The Bulls, Pacers, Heat, and Magic have gotten worse. The Celtics and Raptors may have gotten better but are not legitimate threats and would be near an 8 seed in the West. The Bobcats are stuck in purgatory. The Hawks are selling.
Sure the Bucks are better, but they are no better than a .500 team. The 76ers have been in full tank mode for 5 years now and still have question marks.
Isn't that sad? That the raptors would be an "average" playoff team in the west yet the Knicks haven't fielded a team nearly as good as this current raptors team in 20 years?
It has absolutely to do with everything. Boston with Horford being 30, Johnson 29, Thomas 27 - their window is what exactly?
Toronto... Carroll is 30, Derozan is 27, Lowry is 30.... once Lebron leaves in 3-4 years.... these two teams wont be factors. Hawks the same thing with Millsap and Howard.
The only teams with a young bright future is the 76ers and Bucks and they are still severely flawed teams. You can make up the talent with a few years if you need too.
Sure it does. These purgatory teams will have higher draft picks for the next 3-4 years while the knicks get better draft picks.
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East currently being "awful" does nothing for the future of the Knicks
Sure it does. These purgatory teams will have higher draft picks for the next 3-4 years while the knicks get better draft picks.
What? The East being terrible in 2017 helps the Knicks going forward? This quoted statement is truly bizarre. "Terrible" teams will get higher picks...
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does current record have to do with going forward, talent on rosters etc? Absolutely nothing. Go look at teams around the league at the bad/rebuilding teams, how many have less young talent? The Nets? I mean it's a very limited list.
It has absolutely to do with everything. Boston with Horford being 30, Johnson 29, Thomas 27 - their window is what exactly?
Toronto... Carroll is 30, Derozan is 27, Lowry is 30.... once Lebron leaves in 3-4 years.... these two teams wont be factors. Hawks the same thing with Millsap and Howard.
The only teams with a young bright future is the 76ers and Bucks and they are still severely flawed teams. You can make up the talent with a few years if you need too.
What's the window of the Knicks exactly? It closed in 2011 when Melo, Rose and Noah were all premier players.
Because you have a piece. And if this team continues to stumble, which is looking exactly like its going to do, you may get a top 10 pick. Getting rid of Rose this year. Trade melo, and continue the regrouping.
A team of Jackson, Drummond, KCP aint winning anything ever. And they will be good enough to land a 6-8 seed and never get into the lottery because the east sucks.
Yes, the 76ers, Twolves, and Bucks have the young talent now. The knicks can get that same type of talent in the direction they are going in. Get a lottery pick, hopefully land a top 3 pick. Imagine missing the playoffs and getting a Fox or Ball for next year? Thats progress.
they probably needed 1 more tank to get to the upper echelon of the east...
so now they have to hit on a late first or 2nd round pick like the warriors did to turn them into a contender...
Thats why you either bench or trade melo. Tell him he is not part of the future anymore. Tell him his minutes will be cut. Tell him he is not the center of the offense anymoree.
He will want out instantly.