But the BBI polls are in for the worst human being ever award and beckham beat both hitter and Charles Manson in a landslide.
As mad as I am over the loss after a day I am pretty happy wih the season. The o line and lack of offensive weapons outside of beckham weren't going to jump a 6 win team last year into a championship team. Luckily that phantom DRC pass interference call vs Baltimore was negated by a follow up game winning touchdown or who knows where the season goes at 2-4 wih 3 straight losses. I enjoyed the ride. They will be back stronger next year.
but this season, did anyone else feel as though he is just starting to open it up some? I don't mean the circus catch ability. More the footwork, quickness and speed. Before this season I'd have said hands-down Sanders. And OK, probably still Sanders based on the body of work - incredible. But I have a feeling that OBJ's most amazing stuff is still ahead. (Obligatory "as long as he takes his head out his ass, occasionally" disclaimer.)
It's not so crazy to consider. Sanders for a career hit on 15 scores of 50 yards.
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
Never mind the facts!
Anyone saying it's not even close isn't paying attention to what Beckham has accomplished through his first 3 seasons.
I know I know Beckham is a jerkoff self entitled prima Donna. He's also the most amazing wr to come along ever. And that's a fact. No one has done what he's done through 3 seasons. No one.
Name one wr that did more amazing shit through the first three years of his career. You can't. I'm 100% certain of it. I didn't say he was going to end up as the most amazing wr of all time I said through his first three seasons. And I stand by that. Not randy moss. Not Jerry rice. Not Sterling sharpe. Not anyone. No one has turned 10 yards into 60 like Beckham has. If you don't like the word amazing we can use uncanny. The dude has set a new standard for yac ability.
Odell Beckham is an incredible talent. He is not Barry Sanders.
We get it. You don't like him. Or, as you prefer to position it, you're indifferent. But your bias is clear. Maybe we can discuss a permanent rotation of rookie QBs instead.
Apples and oranges. Sanders was a rare breed of rb much like Beckham is at wr but rbs touch the ball 25 times a game and don't need things to go right to get the ball in their hands.
With that said If I had to choose which guy to build around in this era I'm taking Beckham without a moment's hesitation.
It's not so crazy to consider. Sanders for a career hit on 15 scores of 50 yards.
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
Sure, but Sanders had to break thru the 7 and 8 man fronts to have a chance to break one. When OBJ gets the ball, he's already in the open field.
And that is what made Sanders so special. He was their offense. Every defender knew he was going to get the ball, and he would routinely break defender's ankles making them look silly. OBJ is a tremendous talent. He has quite a few catches that doesn't seem possible, but overall it's his YAC that has padded his stat line. He can turn 10 into 60 in flash.
Gatorade - I'm not indifferent. I don't like him. There isn't much to like about him except that he's a very good football player. Lots of jerks have been good football players.
djm - The question wasn't who had the best first three years of his career. And I would hold off on comparing Beckham to Rice or Moss. Rice is still the best guy I've ever seen turning an 8 yard slant into a 70 yard TD, and he did it in an era where the middle of the field was a far more dangerous place than it is today. And I don't think the league has ever seen a pure deep threat like Randy Moss.
Just ease up a bit on the all time talk for Beckham. It's been three years. There are guys that have done it for far longer.
He didn't have nothing. By the way he won jack squat in Detroit. He was amazing in every sense. He danced and juked and squirted for 1500 yards every season like no one can. He also took a lot of negative hits behind the line of scrimmage.
Since we're dying to bring up beckham's negative qualities I figured I'd beat some to the punch.
Rice did it in a tougher era for WRs. He also had the best offensive personnel surrounding him.
I'm not even dreaming of putting Beckham in any all time category. I never even hinted at that. I said three years. What Beckham has done here is ofher worldly. If they ever surround Beckham with half the talent that those niner teams trotted out there the guy will own the NFL record books. Could you imagine Beckham playing along side John Taylor, Brett jones and roger Craig or Ricky waters? And an oline? And the most accurate west coast qb ever??
We can't go there though.
It's not an insult to come up second best to Barry Sanders
Gatorade - I'm not indifferent. I don't like him. There isn't much to like about him except that he's a very good football player. Lots of jerks have been good football players.
I'm sorry, I thought that was the whole point. If you want friends, take up a hobby.
Love me some OBJ - and I have no problem calling him a great player with the potential to be an all-time great, but Barry was the most exciting player ever. Period. Next paragraph..
Gatorade - I'm not indifferent. I don't like him. There isn't much to like about him except that he's a very good football player. Lots of jerks have been good football players.
I'm sorry, I thought that was the whole point. If you want friends, take up a hobby.
If I didn't think Beckham's bullshit adversely affected the team, I wouldn't care.
how the internet would chew up Sanders for all his team's 5 win seasons, given all the shit Odell personally takes for us losing a wildcard game on the road in freezing conditions. All you'd hear about are the negative runs.
Gatorade - I'm not indifferent. I don't like him. There isn't much to like about him except that he's a very good football player. Lots of jerks have been good football players.
I'm sorry, I thought that was the whole point. If you want friends, take up a hobby.
If I didn't think Beckham's bullshit adversely affected the team, I wouldn't care.
You're right - they'd win way more than 11 games without him. Try needlepoint.
there's the counter argument that the league is much more physically gifted now.
We like to wax poetic about how great nostalgia is, but the NFL is made up of 260lb freaks that can run down the seam and catch like a wide receiver, and 215 pound safeties that can cover downfield and stuff the run like nickel linebackers. The game Rice played is very different than the game Beckham is playing. In some ways it's easier and in some ways much harder. And the talent pool is much more evenly dispersed than it used to be.
Apples and oranges. Sanders was a rare breed of rb much like Beckham is at wr but rbs touch the ball 25 times a game and don't need things to go right to get the ball in their hands.
With that said If I had to choose which guy to build around in this era I'm taking Beckham without a moment's hesitation.
Since i have been watching football, these 2 with the ball have been the most exciting. I understand they are different position, but as far sa pure excitement, its tough to beat these two when they get the ball.
RE: Never really a comparison when a RB can touch the ball twice as much
It goes without saying that they play different positions. But my most vivid memories of Sanders were between the ages of like.. 8 and 15.. so the scope through which I watched him was much different than my 30+ year old eyes that are watching Beckham.
I also didn't watch every Detroit Lions game as a young kid the way I watch every Giants game now. It was obviously a lot harder to have access to every NFL game the way we do now.
So, really.. my memories of Barry are a lot of Thanksgiving games and watching him whenever the Lions were on here in NY.. which was once in a while. He was one of my favorite players to watch as a kid. I had his jersey, his figurine, etc. I found him more exciting to watch than any other player in football during those years.
I think just from a volume standpoint, I'd say Sanders. Obviously in my older age I've watched more of him via highlights, replays of old games, etc. There's just a lot more tape of Sanders doing incredible things while Beckham has only been around 3 years now.
Crazy that Barry was just a year removed from a 2000 yard season where he averaged over 6 yards per carry when he hung it up. What an incredible talent. Much like Beckham is now, Sanders was a threat to take it to the house every single time he had the football.
I remarked awhile ago that since the end of the Rice/Taylor era and then TO, that open field homerun threat off the WCO slant has gone missing for awhile, and Odell is the best thing since.
What I'm most curious about is why wasn't Beckham considered a more blue chip can't miss draft prospect?
It's not so crazy to consider. Sanders for a career hit on 15 scores of 50 yards.
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
Oh yeah? And how many guys did Odell have to beat on those? Generally two, but sometimes more. Barry Sanders had to beat damn near an entire team on all his runs. This is no contest. Barry is one of the great ones. Odell has played 3 years.
and all done with a franchise only slightly less shitty than the Cleveland Browns. And he's the only reason the Lions are slightly less shitty than Cleveland. Barry Sanders is the Detriot Lions SuperBowl. jukes, broken tackles, the defense rests. - ( New Window )
if you had to go a 3rd and short with the game on the line was he the guy you wanted or Emmitt Smith? Great as Sanders was, I always felt he was more worried about making the big show play than getting the important yard. You could stop him in a big spot because rather than get the 1 yard he start juking and back peddling
we aren't talking about who was the more productive player or who had the better career....of course Barry had the better career he played 10 years or more.
As mad as I am over the loss after a day I am pretty happy wih the season. The o line and lack of offensive weapons outside of beckham weren't going to jump a 6 win team last year into a championship team. Luckily that phantom DRC pass interference call vs Baltimore was negated by a follow up game winning touchdown or who knows where the season goes at 2-4 wih 3 straight losses. I enjoyed the ride. They will be back stronger next year.
"If I had a gun, with two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and Odell Beckham Jr. - I'd shoot Odell twice"
- BBI
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But the BBI polls are in for the worst human being ever award and beckham beat both hitter and Charles Manson in a landslide.
"If I had a gun, with two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and Odell Beckham Jr. - I'd shoot Odell twice"
- BBI
"Of course, if Grayson Allen walked in all bets would be off...."
-BBI
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
Never mind the facts!
Anyone saying it's not even close isn't paying attention to what Beckham has accomplished through his first 3 seasons.
I know I know Beckham is a jerkoff self entitled prima Donna. He's also the most amazing wr to come along ever. And that's a fact. No one has done what he's done through 3 seasons. No one.
Here are Barry Sanders's stats from his junior year at Oklahoma State. These seem like hyperbole, but they are not:
344 carries
2628 yards
7.6 yards/carry
37 TDs (all rushing)
1 PR TD
1 KR TD
That stat line occurred over 11 games.
Odell Beckham is an incredible talent. He is not Barry Sanders.
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
Sure, but Sanders had to break thru the 7 and 8 man fronts to have a chance to break one. When OBJ gets the ball, he's already in the open field.
Here are Barry Sanders's stats from his junior year at Oklahoma State. These seem like hyperbole, but they are not:
344 carries
2628 yards
7.6 yards/carry
37 TDs (all rushing)
1 PR TD
1 KR TD
That stat line occurred over 11 games.
Odell Beckham is an incredible talent. He is not Barry Sanders.
We get it. You don't like him. Or, as you prefer to position it, you're indifferent. But your bias is clear. Maybe we can discuss a permanent rotation of rookie QBs instead.
With that said If I had to choose which guy to build around in this era I'm taking Beckham without a moment's hesitation.
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It's not so crazy to consider. Sanders for a career hit on 15 scores of 50 yards.
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
Sure, but Sanders had to break thru the 7 and 8 man fronts to have a chance to break one. When OBJ gets the ball, he's already in the open field.
And that is what made Sanders so special. He was their offense. Every defender knew he was going to get the ball, and he would routinely break defender's ankles making them look silly. OBJ is a tremendous talent. He has quite a few catches that doesn't seem possible, but overall it's his YAC that has padded his stat line. He can turn 10 into 60 in flash.
djm - The question wasn't who had the best first three years of his career. And I would hold off on comparing Beckham to Rice or Moss. Rice is still the best guy I've ever seen turning an 8 yard slant into a 70 yard TD, and he did it in an era where the middle of the field was a far more dangerous place than it is today. And I don't think the league has ever seen a pure deep threat like Randy Moss.
Just ease up a bit on the all time talk for Beckham. It's been three years. There are guys that have done it for far longer.
Since we're dying to bring up beckham's negative qualities I figured I'd beat some to the punch.
I'm not even dreaming of putting Beckham in any all time category. I never even hinted at that. I said three years. What Beckham has done here is ofher worldly. If they ever surround Beckham with half the talent that those niner teams trotted out there the guy will own the NFL record books. Could you imagine Beckham playing along side John Taylor, Brett jones and roger Craig or Ricky waters? And an oline? And the most accurate west coast qb ever??
We can't go there though.
No one deserves to be mentioned in his class after playing three years. It's absurd.
I'm sorry, I thought that was the whole point. If you want friends, take up a hobby.
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Gatorade - I'm not indifferent. I don't like him. There isn't much to like about him except that he's a very good football player. Lots of jerks have been good football players.
I'm sorry, I thought that was the whole point. If you want friends, take up a hobby.
If I didn't think Beckham's bullshit adversely affected the team, I wouldn't care.
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Gatorade - I'm not indifferent. I don't like him. There isn't much to like about him except that he's a very good football player. Lots of jerks have been good football players.
I'm sorry, I thought that was the whole point. If you want friends, take up a hobby.
If I didn't think Beckham's bullshit adversely affected the team, I wouldn't care.
You're right - they'd win way more than 11 games without him. Try needlepoint.
The OP poses the question: who's more exciting with the ball in their hands. Not a success, talent, value proposition.
The question can be asked of many players without the value, productivity and reputation that Sanders thought.
OBJ right now, no further evidence needed is in the conversation of excitement as Barry Sanders, Dion Sanders, Hester, Sayers, Homer Jones, Swann etc.
For my money I'd put him on the top shelf with the Sanders.
We like to wax poetic about how great nostalgia is, but the NFL is made up of 260lb freaks that can run down the seam and catch like a wide receiver, and 215 pound safeties that can cover downfield and stuff the run like nickel linebackers. The game Rice played is very different than the game Beckham is playing. In some ways it's easier and in some ways much harder. And the talent pool is much more evenly dispersed than it used to be.
With that said If I had to choose which guy to build around in this era I'm taking Beckham without a moment's hesitation.
Since i have been watching football, these 2 with the ball have been the most exciting. I understand they are different position, but as far sa pure excitement, its tough to beat these two when they get the ball.
+1
B/c of the touches, Sanders.
2nd favorite team? In the same conference? No. Just no.
I also didn't watch every Detroit Lions game as a young kid the way I watch every Giants game now. It was obviously a lot harder to have access to every NFL game the way we do now.
So, really.. my memories of Barry are a lot of Thanksgiving games and watching him whenever the Lions were on here in NY.. which was once in a while. He was one of my favorite players to watch as a kid. I had his jersey, his figurine, etc. I found him more exciting to watch than any other player in football during those years.
I think just from a volume standpoint, I'd say Sanders. Obviously in my older age I've watched more of him via highlights, replays of old games, etc. There's just a lot more tape of Sanders doing incredible things while Beckham has only been around 3 years now.
Crazy that Barry was just a year removed from a 2000 yard season where he averaged over 6 yards per carry when he hung it up. What an incredible talent. Much like Beckham is now, Sanders was a threat to take it to the house every single time he had the football.
What I'm most curious about is why wasn't Beckham considered a more blue chip can't miss draft prospect?
OBJ has I think 10 60 plus scores in 3 years.
I'll try and trudge up the articles - OBJ has an insane % of yards on YAC, so he's doing a lot of his big strikes with his feet.
Oh yeah? And how many guys did Odell have to beat on those? Generally two, but sometimes more. Barry Sanders had to beat damn near an entire team on all his runs. This is no contest. Barry is one of the great ones. Odell has played 3 years.
jukes, broken tackles, the defense rests. - ( New Window )
Well, yeah, I'd pick the guy running behind one of the best offensive lines in NFL history.