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Defenderdawg : 1/12/2017 6:54 am

Giants

Leonard NYDN: Eli Manning showed Giants he’s still got it, now it’s up to Jerry Reese to help him out
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-jerry-reese-article-1.2943958

Walder NYDN: A look at the Giants’ salary cap situation for the 2017 season
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-salary-cap-situation-2017-season-article-1.2944153

Schwartz NYP: Keep JPP? Rework Odell’s deal? Now comes hard part for Giants
http://nypost.com/2017/01/11/keep-jpp-rework-odells-deal-now-comes-hard-part-for-giants/

Raanan ESPN NY: Victor Cruz, DRC among several big financial decisions for Giants
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/50618/victor-cruz-drc-among-several-big-financial-decision-for-giants

RV SNY: Pierre-Paul, Hankins among free agent decisions looming for Giants
https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/pierre-paul-hankins-among-free-agent-decisions-looming-for-giants/213293838

Coach

Rock Newsday: Ben McAdoo looking for answers to fix Giants’ offense
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ben-mcadoo-looking-for-answers-to-fix-giants-offense-1.12938417

QB

Schwartz NYP: McAdoo: Finding a backup who could replace Eli would be tricky
http://nypost.com/2017/01/11/mcadoo-finding-a-backup-who-could-replace-eli-would-be-tricky/

RV SNY: Giants don't need to rush to find Manning's replacement
https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/giants-dont-need-to-rush-to-find-mannings-replacement/213233098

WR

Schwartz NYP: Odell Beckham knows he has a problem: close Giants friend
http://nypost.com/2017/01/11/odell-beckham-knows-he-has-a-problem-close-giants-friend/

Lombardo NJ.com: Terrell Owens to Giants' Odell Beckham Jr.: 'Channel your frustrations'
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/01/terrell_owens_to_giants_odell_beckham_jr_channel_y.html

Duggan NJ.com: How does Giants' Victor Cruz stack up to other No. 3 receivers?
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/01/comparing_giants_victor_cruz_to_other_no_3_receive.html

Kratch NJ.com: Giants' Victor Cruz's (parting?) thoughts: Odell Beckham has to 'just control himself'
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/01/victor_cruzs_parting_thoughts_odell_beckham_has_to.html

Schwartz NYP: How Victor Cruz reconciles his Giants role and Miami trip
http://nypost.com/2017/01/10/how-victor-cruz-reconciles-his-giants-role-and-miami-trip/

LT

RV SNY: Two years later, Giants still unsure what they have in Flowers
https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/two-years-later-giants-still-unsure-what-they-have-in-flowers/213246300

DT

Duggan NJ.com: Can the Giants afford to bring Johnathan Hankins back? Should they?
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/01/can_the_giants_afford_to_bring_johnathan_hankins_b.html

DE

Palladino CBS Radio NY: Pierre-Paul Should Be Giants’ Top Priority This Offseason
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/01/11/new-york-giants-jason-pierre-paul-jerry-reese/

Duggan NJ.com: Teammates want Giants to re-sign Jason Pierre-Paul
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/01/teammates_want_giants_to_re-sign_jason_pierre-paul.html

Schwartz NYP: Olivier Vernon’s plea to keep Giants D-line from breaking up
http://nypost.com/2017/01/10/olivier-vernon-balances-reality-and-hope-in-plea-to-reunite-d-line/

S

Stapleton The Record: Changing season: Landon Collins is now face of Giants D
http://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2017/01/10/changing-season-landon-collins-now-face-giants-d/96400178/

Shook NFL.com: Landon Collins plays admirably despite playoff loss
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000772541/article/landon-collins-plays-admirably-despite-playoff-loss?campaign=tw-nf-sf50288020-sf50288020

NFL

Breer MMQB: The clock ran out, so with no other viable alternatives, the Chargers are expected to head north and join the Rams in L.A. Here’s a look inside the decision. Plus notes on two new coaches, the Patriots’ health and more
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/12/san-diego-chargers-relocation-los-angeles-nfl

Wesseling NFL.com: The harsh truth about Texans' D, Eli Manning's mistakes, more

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"The Giants' yacht crew failed Eli

So "Playoff Eli" showed up in Lambeau Field, only to be done in by a drop-plagued wide receiver corps that spent the week partying with Justin Bieber in South Beach instead of properly preparing for the Packers?

Let's clarify a few things.

Eli Manning came out firing in the early minutes, hitting throws he had been missing since Halloween. His receivers did indeed fail him in the first quarter. After dropping a third-and-5 pass in field-goal range, a twisting Odell Beckham couldn't quite corral a 28-yard pass that hit him on the finger tips for a lost touchdown. From the second quarter on, though, it was Eli misfiring as much as his receivers bungling.

While Aaron Rodgers was throwing his receivers open and hitting them in stride for big plays, Eli was throwing behind his targets or hitting the wrong shoulder.

As for Beckham's miserable performance, wouldn't the lingering effects of a potential yacht hangover affect his ability to get open against double coverage as much as -- or even more than -- his ability to make tough catches? I've seen "gunner" coverage at the line of scrimmage four times over the past decade: on Randy Moss, on Calvin Johnson and the time Bill Belichick wallpapered Tony Gonzalez near the end zone. The fourth time was last Sunday, with two Packers cornerbacks sticking Beckham on third down.

What's more credible? Beckham's initial third-down drop got in his head, snowballing over the course of the game as he battled through double coverage? Or he suffered from the first six-day hangover humankind has seen since the Romans over-celebrated during the festival of Bacchus?

Giants fans can caress the fabled notion of "Playoff Eli" if it helps them sleep at night, but that myth ignores a harsher reality:"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000772997/article/the-harsh-truth-about-texans-d-eli-mannings-mistakes-more?campaign=Twitter_atn

Monson PFF: RANKING ALL 32 NFL OFFENSIVE LINES THIS SEASON
"20. New York Giants (20)

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Top overall grade: LG Justin Pugh, 85.1 (No. 16)

Top pass-blocking grade: C Weston Richburg, 89.3 (No. 17)

Top run-blocking grade: LG Justin Pugh, 84.9 (No. 15)

The Giants may have fielded the worst pair of tackles in the game this season, but the interior trio was solid, particularly when LG Justin Pugh was in the lineup. Ereck Flowers began the season with three solid games, surrendering just five total QB pressures and no hits or sacks over that time, suggesting that he had turned a corner from his ugly rookie season—but then he went in the tank, and was horrendous down the stretch. After the aforementioned three games, he allowed 54 total QB pressures in his final 13 games, with 10 penalties adding to his woes. On the right side, Bobby Hart surrendered 46 total QB pressures himself, and if anything, those numbers flattered his performance; when he was beaten, it tended to be immediately and result in severe pressure."

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season/

Claasen PFF: RANKING ALL 32 NFL SECONDARIES THIS SEASON

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"2. New York Giants (8)

Top overall grade: S Landon Collins, 91.7 (No. 3)

Top coverage grade: CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, 90.3 (No. 5)

Top run-defense grade: S Landon Collins, 95.8 (No. 3)

Most snaps: S Landon Collins, 1,176

The Giants’ ranking may feel high after their performance against the Packers in the Wild Card game on Sunday, but they were also without their top-graded cornerback, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who we recently named as PFF’s second-team All-Pro defensive back. Rodgers-Cromartie finished the year as the sixth-ranked corner in the league, but he wasn’t the only Giants DB to play well. In his first year with the team after a big free-agent deal, Janoris Jenkins had by far the best season of his career and also finished among the top 10 cornerbacks in the league. Safety Landon Collins was a revelation in his second year after greatly improving in coverage and establishing himself as one of the best run defenders in the league, which led to his PFF first-team All-Pro selection. The Giants do have some weakness further down the depth chart, though, as we saw against Green Bay when Trevin Wade and rookie Eli Apple were forced into bigger roles."

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Tuckrule : 1/12/2017 8:38 am : link

Thank you for all your efforts during the season. Another fine job. These threads,and I'm sure bbi would agree, are one of the best threads bbi has to offer. All giants/NFL news organized to perfection.

Ditto. Have told him this on and offline.. Â

Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2017 8:53 am : link

I will never comprehend how he does it..It's beyond massive

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area junc : 1/12/2017 9:06 am : link

For the life of me, I just don't get the "financial considerations" for DRC. All Pro CB due $6.5M, we have a boatload of cap space, he's well-liked in the lockerroom, he accepted a position shift to the slot, we have arguably the top secondary in football, he knows our complicated scheme - and we're in a hurry to get rid of him?

Gotta believe that's bullshit. We'd be stupid to let him go, there's no other way to put it.

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blueblood : 1/12/2017 10:00 am : link

In comment 13322387 area junc said:

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I believe a part of this stupidity is that many people including the supposed sports journalism community see the slot corner as " Third Corner " or corner that isnt as important.. yet they somehow dont seem to understand how many teams run three wide.. you need THREE good corners in todays NFL to be successful on defense..

Getting rid of DRC means you now have to get ANOTHER corner who can play the slot AND outsde.. and you lose valuable veteran leadership as well.

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djm : 1/12/2017 11:04 am : link

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Cruz finished the regular season with 39 catches for 586 yards and one touchdown. That ranked Cruz seventh in catches, fourth in yards and tied for ninth in touchdowns among the No. 3 receivers from the 12 playoff teams.

The biggest differences are Cruz's age and salary. He had a $2.4 million base salary this season, which is by far the highest of the group. The next highest-paid No. 3 receiver is Miami's Kenny Stills, who earned $1.67 million while recording 42 catches for 726 yards and nine touchdowns.

Cruz is due $7.4 million in guaranteed money next season, which makes him prohibitively expensive as a third option behind Odell Beckham Jr. and Sterling Shepard, who are both bargains on their rookie contracts. It's obvious that the only way Cruz will be back in 2017 is if he's willing to take a significant pay cut for the second consecutive year.

He's not the same player but he wasn't terrible this season. He was playing out of position and still held his own as the #3.

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stretch234 : 1/12/2017 1:16 pm : link

You have to move on. The reality of the offense is that they need a outside no 2 and move Shepard to the slot, where Cruz is more effective.

1 player can improve 2 positions.

You let Cruz go elsewhere to be a slot WR

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HomerJones45 : 1/12/2017 2:48 pm : link

In comment 13322363 Tuckrule said:

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+10 great work

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BillKo : 1/12/2017 3:11 pm : link

In comment 13322448 blueblood said:

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In comment 13322387 area junc said:

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For the life of me, I just don't get the "financial considerations" for DRC. All Pro CB due $6.5M, we have a boatload of cap space, he's well-liked in the lockerroom, he accepted a position shift to the slot, we have arguably the top secondary in football, he knows our complicated scheme - and we're in a hurry to get rid of him?

Gotta believe that's bullshit. We'd be stupid to let him go, there's no other way to put it.

I believe a part of this stupidity is that many people including the supposed sports journalism community see the slot corner as " Third Corner " or corner that isnt as important.. yet they somehow dont seem to understand how many teams run three wide.. you need THREE good corners in todays NFL to be successful on defense..

Getting rid of DRC means you now have to get ANOTHER corner who can play the slot AND outsde.. and you lose valuable veteran leadership as well.

I concur with both of you.

I'll admit I was skeptical of DRC when he first arrived here, not talent wise, but effort wise.

He's been nothing but a fine player, and I thought the talk about this before the season was ridiculous (perhaps that was forcasting into this offseason).

anyone who watched the GB playoff game knows DRC's value Â

Greg from LI : 1/12/2017 3:16 pm : link

When he went down, the defense went from stout to yielding. Rodgers went right after Wade with great success - I think that the drive for GB's third TD was entirely throwing to Wade's man.