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JPP and the Jags

BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/12/2017 12:50 pm
I didn't really think about this possibility until I read this article.

I hope we keep Hankins and JPP, but I would prefer Hankins over JPP if it came down to it.
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Hadn't  
AcidTest : 1/12/2017 12:55 pm : link
thought of that either, but it certainly seems possible for all the reasons the author cites. Good article. Thanks.
Someone brought it up here last year after we signed OV  
JonC : 1/12/2017 1:06 pm : link
It certainly could happen.

I'd absolutely prioritize DE over DT, but I think Hankins will be signed for not crazy dolers.
the Giants can tag JPP  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/12/2017 1:19 pm : link
and maintain their negotiating rights to him as a way of thwarting Jacksonville - or even extracting something out of them for JPP -

I seriously doubt Reese will just let him go
Browns  
Chip : 1/12/2017 1:20 pm : link
Have a 110 million in cap space. There are a lot of teams with big cap space. Contracts will escalate big time this year. JPP will get Vernon type money or more. Hankins will also get a huge contract because he will draw a lot of interest. Reese should negotiate now before free agency begins.
Franchise Tag him then  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 1/12/2017 1:21 pm : link
trade him.
Reese is going to use the franchise tag  
Matt in SGS : 1/12/2017 1:22 pm : link
it's a question if he does it for Hankins or JPP. If the Giants are going to lock up Hankins, I wouldn't be shocked if the slap the tag back on JPP, whether he likes it or not. Reese usually is not swayed by the concerns of a player who is against it.
Played one full season in  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 1/12/2017 1:23 pm : link
7...always getting hurt and puts up numbers against the lower eschelon teams. Good player but not reliable.

Time to move on...tag and trade.
Yup,  
Pete in MD : 1/12/2017 1:25 pm : link
the franchise tag adds another wrinkle to this situation. JPP may not like it but the Giants have to be "all about business" too.
RE: Played one full season in  
Kyle in NY : 1/12/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13322871 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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7...always getting hurt and puts up numbers against the lower eschelon teams. Good player but not reliable.

Time to move on...tag and trade.


Check your numbers again there. Played a full 16 games 4 times
RE: Reese is going to use the franchise tag  
WillVAB : 1/12/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13322870 Matt in SGS said:
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it's a question if he does it for Hankins or JPP. If the Giants are going to lock up Hankins, I wouldn't be shocked if the slap the tag back on JPP, whether he likes it or not. Reese usually is not swayed by the concerns of a player who is against it.


This.

I think Hankins is re-signed to a reasonable deal. At that point, if JPP wants to be the highest paid DE, he can sign the tag or sit out, the latter which I doubt he'll do. Then you draft a DE this year and re-evaluate after '17.
I can't see how any agent in their right mind would advise their  
Mellowmood92 : 1/12/2017 1:29 pm : link
client to sign a contract extension now, before the start of FA; especially two key free agents from one of the best defenses in the NFL. They'd probably have to offer JPP a similar contract to OV and Hankins a similar contract to Harrison to sign them now (or possibly even during FA). OV has 5 yrs / 85 mil; Snacks 5 yrs / 46.5m. That's A LOT of money, even with a rising cap.

I'd look to extend OBJ now, and re-sign JPP. Edge rushers are not easy to replace, and the Giants have proved to do well drafting replacements for extremely successful interior d-linemen. I'd love to retain Hankins, however i think the Giants can do well replacing him with Bromley and Thomas.
Please  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/12/2017 1:32 pm : link
Let him go and send an Edible Arrangement to TC for the favor.

JPP's argument for big $$$ is "Nobody else can do what I can with 7.5 fingers", which is true, but WHY DO YOU HAVE 7.5 FINGERS YOU DOLT?
What's the franchise tag  
Bubba : 1/12/2017 1:41 pm : link
worth next season on dollars?
RE: What's the franchise tag  
Pete in MD : 1/12/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13322901 Bubba said:
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worth next season on dollars?

It is not official but nfltraderumors.com is predicting $17M for a DE.
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Franchise tag on JPP  
Chip : 1/12/2017 1:48 pm : link
17 mil. Hankins 13.5. My guess is Cruz gets a pay cut and we save about 4 mill. Just a guess on Cruz. Remember if you cut Cruz you may want to replace him with someone else who get paid.
RE: Played one full season in  
Chris in Philly : 1/12/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13322871 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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7...always getting hurt and puts up numbers against the lower eschelon teams. Good player but not reliable.

Time to move on...tag and trade.


So you list all the reasons he's not worth big money and then expect a team to trade 1st rounders and give him big money. Alright...
Don't see the Giants using the FT on JPP  
BillT : 1/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
They'll make him a competitive offer. If someone pays more then they do. That's just the way it goes. That's how we got Vernon and Snacks and Jenkins. You move on to the next. JPPs money will be well spent. If not on him then someone else.
Hahaaaa very good limerick guy....  
Dinger : 1/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
Unfortunately, I think we may lose both. Think about what we did last year, by overpaying for Vernon and Harrison and Jenkins. I'm not saying they weren't worth it, but that is free agent reality now. Overpay for the above average or better free agents available and low ball on the rest of the players out there. Some team(s) who are in desparate need to upgrade their defense will be aiming for JPP and Hankins. IF the 'ferver' goes far enough, maybe they could trade DRC for a high pick or a decent TE (but JR would have to think long and hard about that, seeing as how the defense takes a major step back when he isn't on the field.)
Mellow  
Chip : 1/12/2017 1:58 pm : link
I would make the offer to both JPP and Hankins what they paid to Vernon (JPP) and Hankins (harrison) Money and see if they would take it to stay in New York. If they don't accept then we move on to someone else when free agency begins. Give them good bonus money to offset the immediate cap hit and leave money for OL and TE.
LOL Limmerick is still upset about the firework incident..  
est1986 : 1/12/2017 2:21 pm : link
Like this team stood any chance a year ago anyway..
Got to franchise tag him  
Marty866b : 1/12/2017 2:24 pm : link
Then try to work a deal and if they can't, keep him for a season or trade him. There is absolutely no reason to let him walk.
RE: Please  
David in LA : 1/12/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13322889 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Let him go and send an Edible Arrangement to TC for the favor.

JPP's argument for big $$$ is "Nobody else can do what I can with 7.5 fingers", which is true, but WHY DO YOU HAVE 7.5 FINGERS YOU DOLT?


That's not the argument. He's a top 5 DE. You should go back to the thriving Midwest Gay Club Scene and go find your credibility that you lost there.
RE: Mellow  
Eman11 : 1/12/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13322926 Chip said:
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I would make the offer to both JPP and Hankins what they paid to Vernon (JPP) and Hankins (harrison) Money and see if they would take it to stay in New York. If they don't accept then we move on to someone else when free agency begins. Give them good bonus money to offset the immediate cap hit and leave money for OL and TE.


I think that's fair and reasonable in regards to JPP but I don't think Hankins is worth what Snacks is. I can't see offering him the same type deal. He's got to come in less than Snacks IMO, and if he wants the same or more....see ya.
Can teams Exclusove Franchise Tag or trade, or ...  
Boy Cord : 1/12/2017 2:31 pm : link
... can they only trade under the Non-Exclusive? I know the player can't negotiate with others teams in Exclusive.
RE: RE: Please  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/12/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13322967 David in LA said:
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In comment 13322889 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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Let him go and send an Edible Arrangement to TC for the favor.

JPP's argument for big $$$ is "Nobody else can do what I can with 7.5 fingers", which is true, but WHY DO YOU HAVE 7.5 FINGERS YOU DOLT?



That's not the argument. He's a top 5 DE. You should go back to the thriving Midwest Gay Club Scene and go find your credibility that you lost there.


You really do stalk me. I'm kind of over it in a "hey here he is again kind of way" but it's creepy.
RE: Franchise tag on JPP  
Pete in MD : 1/12/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13322909 Chip said:
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17 mil. Hankins 13.5. My guess is Cruz gets a pay cut and we save about 4 mill. Just a guess on Cruz. Remember if you cut Cruz you may want to replace him with someone else who get paid.

I would not pay Hankins 13.5M. That would make him the 5th highest paid DT in the league (by average salary+bonus). More than players like Snacks, Tyrone Crawford, and Linval Joseph. He's a good player but not worth that kind of money IMO.
RE: RE: RE: Please  
David in LA : 1/12/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13322984 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 13322967 David in LA said:


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In comment 13322889 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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Let him go and send an Edible Arrangement to TC for the favor.

JPP's argument for big $$$ is "Nobody else can do what I can with 7.5 fingers", which is true, but WHY DO YOU HAVE 7.5 FINGERS YOU DOLT?



That's not the argument. He's a top 5 DE. You should go back to the thriving Midwest Gay Club Scene and go find your credibility that you lost there.



You really do stalk me. I'm kind of over it in a "hey here he is again kind of way" but it's creepy.


Nah, your dumbassery just kind of sticks out. What's creepy is your fixation on who's gay and who's not. That is creepy. Just change your handle, you thoroughly embarrassed yourself here over the past week. Zero credibility.
Limerick  
ryanmkeane : 1/12/2017 2:43 pm : link
if stalking means calling you out on every bullshit post you make, which is essentially close to 100%, then yes, that'd be stalking.
Cruz paycut?  
Carl in CT : 1/12/2017 2:59 pm : link
Yea Ok he should be the first cut they make. I wouldn't pay the Vet minimum.
carl that is Jerrys decision  
Chip : 1/12/2017 3:11 pm : link
You cut him and save 7.5 and lose the player or you ask him forget about the roster bonus (1mil) and cut his salary by 4 mill saving 5 mil and keep the player instead of signing someone else and paying that player. Trying to avoid the 1.9 in dead money. Either way it frees up cap money. I think it might depend on how they think his influence on Beckham is positive or negative. He is the veteran in the WR room.
RE: carl that is Jerrys decision  
Eman11 : 1/12/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13323017 Chip said:
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You cut him and save 7.5 and lose the player or you ask him forget about the roster bonus (1mil) and cut his salary by 4 mill saving 5 mil and keep the player instead of signing someone else and paying that player. Trying to avoid the 1.9 in dead money. Either way it frees up cap money. I think it might depend on how they think his influence on Beckham is positive or negative. He is the veteran in the WR room.


I think it depends more on if they think he can still play and if so, what level? #4 WR, depth? Unless they feel he'll be better than this year, no way you can pay him 4 mil,IMO.
I really don't get why there are still  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/12/2017 3:51 pm : link
fans who follow the Giants who can say with any kind of assurance that OV, Jackrabbit and Snacks were overpaid. They are not the highest paid players at their position and each of them is an AP All Pro selection this year.

None of them are, or were overpaid by any stretch of the imagination. They each got market contracts, and based on performance the Giants received great value for what they paid. Each of them is at the top of their craft and overperformed the contract they were given in the first year.

I do not think you know what you mean when you say they were overpaid, or if you have any kind of rational basis for such comment. As a matter of fact and by the very definition of the word they weren't overpaid.

I also don't get why many of you are disparaging JPP and Hnakins -- they were both very valuable performers for the Giants this year. JPP was paid way below market value for the services he rendered -- as did Hankins.

They are two players you want on the team and especially if there's any way to give them performance incentives. Reese has already declared he would like to have them both back, and it is not easy to find players of their caliber. Both Hankins and JPP are better than any player at their position on at least half of all NFL teams.



I'd love to keep both ...  
Manny in CA : 1/12/2017 4:02 pm : link

But JPP is going to cost a ton of money, (he has indicated that he's proved himself which I think he means that he wants to get PAID big-time). We can use the money to .....

(1) Find a high-quality replacement for him. (Okwara has shown good progress, but we need to hedge our bet)

(2) Find a superior quality left side offensive tackle (which will be very expensive); the O-line is a mess we may have two replace two or three starters.

(3) Pay Hankins; (I hear that Damon harrison thinks a lot of him and his potential for becoming a great player)

Victor Cruz, we still love the guy has lost a step; is playing out of position now that Shepard is here - has played his last game as a Giant.
RE: I'd love to keep both ...  
Eman11 : 1/12/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13323064 Manny in CA said:
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But JPP is going to cost a ton of money, (he has indicated that he's proved himself which I think he means that he wants to get PAID big-time). We can use the money to .....

(1) Find a high-quality replacement for him. (Okwara has shown good progress, but we need to hedge our bet)

(2) Find a superior quality left side offensive tackle (which will be very expensive); the O-line is a mess we may have two replace two or three starters.

(3) Pay Hankins; (I hear that Damon harrison thinks a lot of him and his potential for becoming a great player)

Victor Cruz, we still love the guy has lost a step; is playing out of position now that Shepard is here - has played his last game as a Giant.


1) Wouldn't a "high - quality" replacement cost some serious cash as well?

2) sounds great in theory but it doesn't look to me there are many of those out there . I could see going that route if a couple of top guys are out there but I don't see any top OT's hitting FA this year.

3) I'd pay him but not near Hankins money. He's the next tier down IMO and should be paid like that.

Agreed about VC unless he comes back and plays for cheap in a backup/depth type of role.
RE: I really don't get why there are still  
Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13323053 gidiefor said:
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fans who follow the Giants who can say with any kind of assurance that OV, Jackrabbit and Snacks were overpaid. They are not the highest paid players at their position and each of them is an AP All Pro selection this year.

None of them are, or were overpaid by any stretch of the imagination. They each got market contracts, and based on performance the Giants received great value for what they paid. Each of them is at the top of their craft and overperformed the contract they were given in the first year.

I do not think you know what you mean when you say they were overpaid, or if you have any kind of rational basis for such comment. As a matter of fact and by the very definition of the word they weren't overpaid.

I also don't get why many of you are disparaging JPP and Hnakins -- they were both very valuable performers for the Giants this year. JPP was paid way below market value for the services he rendered -- as did Hankins.

They are two players you want on the team and especially if there's any way to give them performance incentives. Reese has already declared he would like to have them both back, and it is not easy to find players of their caliber. Both Hankins and JPP are better than any player at their position on at least half of all NFL teams.




Agree Counselor..As to the overpaid mantra, this will be repeated incessantly here..At this point it's more amusing than irritating
^^^oops^^  
Eman11 : 1/12/2017 4:58 pm : link
3) meant he's not worth Harrison money.
I  
AcidTest : 1/12/2017 5:11 pm : link
wonder if we lose both.
RE: Please  
clatterbuck : 1/12/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13322889 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Let him go and send an Edible Arrangement to TC for the favor.

JPP's argument for big $$$ is "Nobody else can do what I can with 7.5 fingers", which is true, but WHY DO YOU HAVE 7.5 FINGERS YOU DOLT?

Did you see him play this year? The accident was two years ago. Give it a rest.
RE: Please  
Giants2012 : 1/12/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13322889 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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JPP's argument for big $$$ is "Nobody else can do what I can with 7.5 fingers", which is true, but WHY DO YOU HAVE 7.5 FINGERS YOU DOLT?


I bet nobody with a handicap sticker can play as well as him either.

There are no scraps is his scrap book
Someone will always overpay.  
FStubbs : 1/12/2017 8:07 pm : link
You make them a fair offer and let the rest happen. I think it's worth it to keep Hankins. I'm not sure about JPP.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Please  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/12/2017 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13322990 David in LA said:
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In comment 13322984 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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In comment 13322967 David in LA said:


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In comment 13322889 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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Let him go and send an Edible Arrangement to TC for the favor.

JPP's argument for big $$$ is "Nobody else can do what I can with 7.5 fingers", which is true, but WHY DO YOU HAVE 7.5 FINGERS YOU DOLT?



That's not the argument. He's a top 5 DE. You should go back to the thriving Midwest Gay Club Scene and go find your credibility that you lost there.



You really do stalk me. I'm kind of over it in a "hey here he is again kind of way" but it's creepy.



Nah, your dumbassery just kind of sticks out. What's creepy is your fixation on who's gay and who's not. That is creepy. Just change your handle, you thoroughly embarrassed yourself here over the past week. Zero credibility.


My opinions are rarely popular but unfortunately usually right.

Like when I said last year that JPP canot be relied on because he is habitually missing games I was called stupid, wrong, and even racist. When we had a 6-0 lead with 0:00 on the clock in a playoff game at halftime we sure could have used a 14 million dollar a year DE.

Next year when Beckham fractures the team and his value is gone I will be proven right again. It is time to move him for a few 1sts and a good player. You cannot win with guys like him. Just can't do it. It hurts. His talent is off the charts but ask yourself this. Would he be able to survive on the Pats? To win titles egos need to be checked at the door.

Some of you guys just guzzle the blue Kool aid.

And the fact that David in LA searches for my responses in posts to comments is obsessive compulsive at best and bordering on restraining order territory.
Don't give yourself too much credit  
David in LA : 1/12/2017 8:54 pm : link
you're not that great. I check threads I'm interested in, and sort them by last response. Your comments just stand out on its own merit that you're a) fucking weird b) think very highly of yourself c) you're not very smart.

Go back to thinking about what hole Rodgers sticks it in.
Just like everybody was saying the Giants overpaid  
ErichBarnes102 : 1/12/2017 9:53 pm : link
for help on D last year,

They'll be saying the same thing next year about JPP (definitely and Hankins (probably).

Nature of the (FA) beast these days.

Remember when Eli was "overpaid" after his last contract?
This year he made $3,000,000 more than Brock Osweiler.
Bad investment...  
Doomster : 1/12/2017 10:46 pm : link
RE: Played one full season in
Kyle in NY : 1:25 pm : link : reply
In comment 13322871 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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7...always getting hurt and puts up numbers against the lower eschelon teams. Good player but not reliable.

Time to move on...tag and trade.


Check your numbers again there. Played a full 16 games 4 times


He has only started all 16, once in the last 4 years.....but I agree, if you look at the "sacks", they have come against teams like Chicago and Cleveland, and not the upper teams....to pay JPP and Hankins big money, would be investing too much cap %, without the return it demands....
Nothing like a poster ruining a thread by bringing up something  
chris r : 1/12/2017 10:49 pm : link
Another poster said on another thread over and over and over again.
RE: Franchise tag on JPP  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 1/13/2017 12:45 am : link
In comment 13322909 Chip said:
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17 mil. Hankins 13.5. My guess is Cruz gets a pay cut and we save about 4 mill. Just a guess on Cruz. Remember if you cut Cruz you may want to replace him with someone else who get paid.


Cruz is done here. Andre Holmes fits the bill nicely.
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