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Loaded TE Draft

JOMO25 : 1/13/2017 12:59 pm
O.J. Howard TE 1 Alabama Sr 6-6 251

David Njoku TE 2 Miami (Fla.) 6-4 240

Bucky Hodges TE 3 Virginia Tech 6-6 245

Jordan Leggett TE 4 Clemson Sr 6-5 258

Evan Engram TE 5 Ole Miss 6-3

Adam Shaheen TE 6 Ashland 6-5 277

Jake Butt TE 7 Michigan 6-5 250

Gerald Everett TE 8 South Alabama 6-3 240

Jeremy Sprinkle TE 9 Arkansas 6-5 256

Howard is incredibly gifted, but his production was "ho hum" was it inconsistent effort or his teammates (too many weapons to throw threw esp given the fact that their system is so run heavy).

Njoku is my favorite and a guy I could see Reese picking. Explosive athlete that seems to get better by the week.

Hodges is very tall and fluid but I see as finesse player. Doesn't block and not physical after the catch. Still, a fine prospect as a pass catcher.

Shaheen is mammoth and reportedly impressive catching the ball but I can't say I watch too many Ashland games.

Sprinkle is a doo everything TE with plenty of physical ability. It is between the ears that Sprinkle draws concerns.

Shame Butt tore his ACL but at the least, he does everything well. Not a star, but solid and polished.

Would love to have a TE core that features Njoku, Tye and Adams next year. Then again, I'd also love to find a nimble LT to swing Flowers over to RT.
I would rather draft a OL in Rd 1 if a good one falls  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2017 1:02 pm : link
to us. Otherwise DE, Unless a Ditka, Mackey, Bavaro, Gonzo or Gronk is there in Rd 1

Howard  
HoustonGiant : 1/13/2017 1:03 pm : link
had a RB throwing passes to him. He really wasn't a QB.
And before anyone says it, I know Bavaro went in Rd 5.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2017 1:04 pm : link
I am referring to a TE who is what Bavaro turned out to be
Leggett was awfully impressive  
JOMO25 : 1/13/2017 1:04 pm : link
vs. Bama. And is bigger than I thought.
Good thread!  
old man : 1/13/2017 1:05 pm : link
Depending on what else they want/can get, looks like a solid 2 rounds of TEs at the upper level and still a few left over for later.
I love Hodges  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2017 1:08 pm : link
but he really should be a WR in the NFL, not a TE.
Matt LaCosse Not Forgotten  
NJLCO : 1/13/2017 1:09 pm : link
I would draft after 3rd round for TE.

Matt LaCosse needs to stay healthy and lets see how he produces. Save early rounds for OL & big WR.
RE: I love Hodges  
Boy Cord : 1/13/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13323965 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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but he really should be a WR in the NFL, not a TE.


How is his speed, or is he just a big body that can gain position on the defender?
Hodges has pretty good speed  
JOMO25 : 1/13/2017 1:13 pm : link
for a guy that big. I'd say he is faster but somewhat comparable as a prospect to Jesse James (Steelers TE who lines up in the slot a lot). Neither guy is interested in blocking.
Hopefully the Giants don't try to outsmart everyone and draft  
Blue21 : 1/13/2017 1:14 pm : link
a project like the very often do.
Engram is not really a TE  
jeff57 : 1/13/2017 1:16 pm : link
.
A good blocking TE is  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/13/2017 1:20 pm : link
Essentially anther OL

I great combo TE who can stretch the field and block is a must for this offense IMO
RE: And before anyone says it, I know Bavaro went in Rd 5.  
Rjanyg : 1/13/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13323956 Big Blue '56 said:
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I am referring to a TE who is what Bavaro turned out to be


Round 4 actually. 1985
Probably should be looking at  
JonC : 1/13/2017 1:31 pm : link
DE.
I wouldn't argue  
JOMO25 : 1/13/2017 1:32 pm : link
with DE i.e. Demarcus Walker or OL....but the latter is not plentiful in the upcoming draft. Only Ryan Ramczyk makes sense, and I fear he will drop due to injury and the Giants may drop him considerably due to their experience w/ Owa Odigizowa (may have the same injury coming into the draft).
RE: And before anyone says it, I know Bavaro went in Rd 5.  
Jim in Tampa : 1/13/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13323956 Big Blue '56 said:
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I am referring to a TE who is what Bavaro turned out to be


He actually went in RD 4, not 5.
OJ Howard  
giantsfan44ab : 1/13/2017 1:32 pm : link
Is BEAST blocker with plenty of upside as a receiver.

Watching the bama QB throw for more than 20 yards was painful. The ball floats in the air forever. Howard showed up in back to back Nat'l championship games.
I have a feeling after his pro day  
David in LA : 1/13/2017 1:35 pm : link
we won't even get a crack at OJ Howard.
Njoku  
Jim in Tampa : 1/13/2017 1:35 pm : link
Unless he has already declared, he may not even come out this year, since he was a redshirt freshman.

If he does decide to come out he will likely wow everyone at the combine and be gone (along with Howard) before the Giants pick in RD 1.
Howard  
WillVAB : 1/13/2017 1:39 pm : link
I'd prefer OL but this kid looks like a game changer and a great fit for what the Giants need.
How much will Jared Cook command in the open market?  
David in LA : 1/13/2017 1:42 pm : link
He's unrestricted this year. Other FA options would include Gresham, Vernon Davis (he can still attack the seam, and should be inexpensive), Jack Doyle, Jacob Tamme, and Kellen Davis (IIRC he's a decent blocker). Here's the list of TE's available from spotrac.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: I have a feeling after his pro day  
giantsfan44ab : 1/13/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13324028 David in LA said:
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we won't even get a crack at OJ Howard.


:(

While it may be true people are saying there are tons of guys that won't reach the Giants pick. SOMEONE has to fall.

There are at least 3-4 WRs (Davis and Williams I don't see falling but also John Ross, Schuster, Sutton are guys being named).

There will be at least 2 RBs gone (Cook and Fournette).

If I had to guess I'd say there are 2 QBs gone before we pick (Watson and the UNC kid).

Then there are the obvious guys: Garrett, Allen, Robinson, Peppers followed by the pack of SEC CBs and safeties.

Walter Football currently has Howard going at 25 with the Giants picking Watson. Would I be COMPLETELY against Watson? No. but I for sure have plenty of questions about how he plays in the pros.

Have a hard time seeing one TE let alone two being taken with the amount of "can't miss" prospects slated to go ahead of us.
RE: Njoku  
njm : 1/13/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13324030 Jim in Tampa said:
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Unless he has already declared, he may not even come out this year, since he was a redshirt freshman.

If he does decide to come out he will likely wow everyone at the combine and be gone (along with Howard) before the Giants pick in RD 1.


I believe Njoku declared late in December
RE: How much will Jared Cook command in the open market?  
giantsfan44ab : 1/13/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13324040 David in LA said:
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He's unrestricted this year. Other FA options would include Gresham, Vernon Davis (he can still attack the seam, and should be inexpensive), Jack Doyle, Jacob Tamme, and Kellen Davis (IIRC he's a decent blocker). Here's the list of TE's available from spotrac. Link - ( New Window )


I have questions about Cook. He'd be an obvious upgrade but I'd rather go with Davis. Cook was playing with the best QB in the league who was being held up with the best pass protection who had probably the best WR corps in the NFL with one of the best backfield threats in the game. Not to mention Richard Rodgers did all the blocking.
I would bet either Howard or Njoku are there at #23  
njm : 1/13/2017 1:48 pm : link
Most teams don't have the need at TE that the Giants do and top TEs typically (not always) are picked in the second half of the 1st round.
RE: RE: I have a feeling after his pro day  
David in LA : 1/13/2017 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13324042 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13324028 David in LA said:


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we won't even get a crack at OJ Howard.



:(

While it may be true people are saying there are tons of guys that won't reach the Giants pick. SOMEONE has to fall.

There are at least 3-4 WRs (Davis and Williams I don't see falling but also John Ross, Schuster, Sutton are guys being named).

There will be at least 2 RBs gone (Cook and Fournette).

If I had to guess I'd say there are 2 QBs gone before we pick (Watson and the UNC kid).

Then there are the obvious guys: Garrett, Allen, Robinson, Peppers followed by the pack of SEC CBs and safeties.

Walter Football currently has Howard going at 25 with the Giants picking Watson. Would I be COMPLETELY against Watson? No. but I for sure have plenty of questions about how he plays in the pros.

Have a hard time seeing one TE let alone two being taken with the amount of "can't miss" prospects slated to go ahead of us.


lol, didn't mean to be a Debbie Downer. I just try not to get my hopes up, so I don't get crushed with disappointment. We should cover our ass and go after a veteran, and if a good young prospect is available, take him too.
The Fins, Ravens and Broncos  
giantsfan44ab : 1/13/2017 1:55 pm : link
Are 3 teams ahead of us I can see going for TE. Maybe the Titans for a future replacement of Walker. But don't see it as a pressing need for any of those teams like it is for the Giants. Maybe 1 TE goes but if 2 go that means someone good will fall to us.
Do you guys really believe we're drafting a tight end at 23  
Tuckrule : 1/13/2017 2:01 pm : link
I highly doubt it. We may need a DE, OT, WR probably before we draft a tight end
RE: Do you guys really believe we're drafting a tight end at 23  
giantsfan44ab : 1/13/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13324073 Tuckrule said:
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I highly doubt it. We may need a DE, OT, WR probably before we draft a tight end


I believe we will be drafting the most talented (or one of them) at 23.
So- have we already written off  
mrvax : 1/13/2017 2:15 pm : link
Jerell Adams?
Tuckrule, lots of people said  
David in LA : 1/13/2017 2:16 pm : link
we don't draft RB's in round 1 and then we took David Wilson. If there's a stud prospect at any position we will take him, if he grades out. The folks who said we don't value LB's fail to realize that these blue chip MLB's don't come around that often.
RE: Do you guys really believe we're drafting a tight end at 23  
njm : 1/13/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13324073 Tuckrule said:
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I highly doubt it. We may need a DE, OT, WR probably before we draft a tight end


Disagree. We need a #1 TE more than we need a #2 (or #3, opinions vary) WR.
RE: So- have we already written off  
David in LA : 1/13/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13324094 mrvax said:
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Jerell Adams?


Not at all, but Jerell Adams shouldn't keep us from drafting a good TE if there's one available.
OJ Howard  
adamg : 1/13/2017 2:18 pm : link
is by far the most complete TE in the draft. He'd be my pick.
RE: RE: So- have we already written off  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13324099 David in LA said:
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In comment 13324094 mrvax said:


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Jerell Adams?



Not at all, but Jerell Adams shouldn't keep us from drafting a good TE if there's one available.


+50000. I've seen this repeated dozens of times on here... the Patriots traded for Bennett despite having a HOF caliber TE. If you end up with 2 good TE's it's not exactly a bad thing.
We may or may not draft a TE in RD1  
JOMO25 : 1/13/2017 2:33 pm : link
don't go crazy w that. Take it as a discussion of prospects.
I forget what poster was definitely...  
BillKo : 1/13/2017 2:34 pm : link
..pushing Travis Kelce at TE a few years ago in the 2nd round???

That's the poster I want evaluating this group of TEs.
I have nothing against Adams  
giantsfan44ab : 1/13/2017 2:34 pm : link
But what did you exactly see from him year 1 to expect him to be a threat year 2?

I hope he becomes useful in some capacity but there's no reason to believe he can step up and be a starter next season.
Butt in the 3rd  
MotownGIANTS : 1/13/2017 2:35 pm : link
barring there is a good prognosis on his knee and his recovery ... especially with the penalty in place makes the flier not so bad IF he is there.
Howard just looks the part....  
BillKo : 1/13/2017 2:36 pm : link
great size, smooth, soft hands..........

Anyone know his attitude/desire?
was it me or did Donnell  
JOMO25 : 1/13/2017 2:37 pm : link
get significantly more time in the GB game than the prev 10 weeks? While I like Tye and Adams as 2/3 on the depth chart LD needs to go
RE: was it me or did Donnell  
adamg : 1/13/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13324127 JOMO25 said:
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get significantly more time in the GB game than the prev 10 weeks? While I like Tye and Adams as 2/3 on the depth chart LD needs to go


Adams was hurt and inactive that game. Donnell did play more.
RE: I forget what poster was definitely...  
David in LA : 1/13/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13324121 BillKo said:
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..pushing Travis Kelce at TE a few years ago in the 2nd round???

That's the poster I want evaluating this group of TEs.


I could be wrong, but I think it was either KWALL or Go Terps.
Rj and Jim re Bavaro round 4 instead of 5,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2017 2:49 pm : link
thanks for the correction
Miami Tight End  
est1986 : 1/13/2017 3:02 pm : link
Going Round 1?
RE: Butt in the 3rd  
NNJ Tom : 1/13/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13324123 MotownGIANTS said:
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barring there is a good prognosis on his knee and his recovery ... especially with the penalty in place makes the flier not so bad IF he is there.


Agreed, and if he ever lays one one the ground, think of the headline on the NY Post.
Here''s a hint  
NNJ Tom : 1/13/2017 3:09 pm : link
Combo  
AcidTest : 1/13/2017 3:11 pm : link
TEs, namely those who are great inline blockers and can stretch the seam are very rare. I'd settle for either one, but an inline blocker might be more needed. Get an outside WR, and that might open up the seam for Adams a little. I also agree that DE may be a higher priority.
RE: Combo  
adamg : 1/13/2017 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13324177 AcidTest said:
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TEs, namely those who are great inline blockers and can stretch the seam are very rare. I'd settle for either one, but an inline blocker might be more needed. Get an outside WR, and that might open up the seam for Adams a little. I also agree that DE may be a higher priority.


That's the problem with the other top TEs other than Howard. They don't line up next to tackles as well.
Engram is talented, but I don't think he's an every down TE.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/13/2017 3:35 pm : link
I'm really interested in seeing what Howard's combine measurements will be.

I don't see Njoku falling to #55.
On a side note:  
81_Great_Dane : 1/13/2017 3:45 pm : link
I don't see the Giants taking Deshaun Watson as a QB. But if they think he can play receiver or running back, sure.

I think the Giants see pocket passing as the key to success in the NFL. BUT: What most of the best guys have, but Eli lacks, is the ability to beat the defense with their legs. Rogers, Wilson, Newton, all have that. Brady not as much, but arguably more than Eli. Eli's good at sliding in the pocket and fine on a rollout but not a runner.

I think the Giants would love to find a guy who's a great passer first, and a runner second. I don't think Watson is that guy, and I don't think they think he's that guy. But I could be wrong.
RE: On a side note:  
giantsfan44ab : 1/13/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13324250 81_Great_Dane said:
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I don't see the Giants taking Deshaun Watson as a QB. But if they think he can play receiver or running back, sure.

I think the Giants see pocket passing as the key to success in the NFL. BUT: What most of the best guys have, but Eli lacks, is the ability to beat the defense with their legs. Rogers, Wilson, Newton, all have that. Brady not as much, but arguably more than Eli. Eli's good at sliding in the pocket and fine on a rollout but not a runner.

I think the Giants would love to find a guy who's a great passer first, and a runner second. I don't think Watson is that guy, and I don't think they think he's that guy. But I could be wrong.


Yeah I'd agree with this. It be crazy to have an athletic QB who can extend plays with Odell wreaking havoc. Think Tyrod Taylor. Last year with Sammy Watkins he was creating plays by making them last longer. Now replace Watkins with Odell and one of the best defenses in the league. I'm not sure Watson can be that guy either.
RE: Engram is talented, but I don't think he's an every down TE.  
adamg : 1/13/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13324227 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I'm really interested in seeing what Howard's combine measurements will be.

I don't see Njoku falling to #55.


Agree. I think he's a early second rounder. I'd be surprised if a team took him in 1 though.
The biggest thing I like about Watson is  
adamg : 1/13/2017 4:05 pm : link
he always gets back up like nothing happened. He's got a bit of Eli face in him when he takes shots. I respect that.
I'll be paying  
mavric : 1/13/2017 4:08 pm : link
close attention to the TE group during the Combine. As well as the offensive linemen, QB's, RB's.....actually all of them. But special attention to the TE's and QB's
Jeremy Sprinkle  
lugnut : 1/13/2017 4:23 pm : link
is my porn star name.
RE: The biggest thing I like about Watson is  
81_Great_Dane : 1/13/2017 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13324280 adamg said:
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he always gets back up like nothing happened. He's got a bit of Eli face in him when he takes shots. I respect that.
I suspect Watson is going to be a coach killer. He's going to look so great sometimes, and will make such incredible plays, but he's never going to be a true pass-first QB. I think he's always going to break off the play too quickly and run.

But I don't know, maybe I'm completely wrong. The kid's got a ton of talent. If he's got the discipline to play the pro game, maybe he'll be the next great NFL QB.

The kid at USC looks like the next great pro QB prospect. And he's not ready to come out. He's got that "It" factor that Accorsi said Eli had.
RE: Matt LaCosse Not Forgotten  
Old Dirty Beckham : 1/13/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13323967 NJLCO said:
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I would draft after 3rd round for TE.

Matt LaCosse needs to stay healthy and lets see how he produces. Save early rounds for OL & big WR.


Is this a joke?
Scott Orndorff, Pittsburgh. 6-5, 265.  
Klaatu : 1/13/2017 4:45 pm : link
Day 3, steal of the draft.
yeah  
JOMO25 : 1/13/2017 5:18 pm : link
Orndorrf was really impressive
RE: Howard just looks the part....  
section125 : 1/13/2017 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13324124 BillKo said:
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great size, smooth, soft hands..........

Anyone know his attitude/desire?


Smooth? He looks like he has a stick up his ass when he runs and is very stiff legged. I liked Legget better running, but I think Howard is a better blocker.

Buckey Hodges is slow as shit. Watched his Bowl game and he is just DT slow.
The top 3 guys - Howard, Njoku, Hodges  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/13/2017 6:10 pm : link
just smell like busts to me, all 3 of them. No reason why, but wouldn't touch any rd 1. Would prefer a two way player on day 3 even if its not a freak athlete vertical threat.

I want someone who can reliably block that edge rusher, move people in the run game and catch the seam pass enough to make defenses respect that. Daniel Fells was doing this well enough before his infection.

I'd rather have the TE who can do this (who will also give Eli time and boost the run game) than a flex WR. I'd rather just draft a WR high for that.
We have to get whoever is best TE available in either  
SomeFan : 1/13/2017 6:13 pm : link
round 1 or 2
Oh Kelce  
KWALL2 : 1/13/2017 6:18 pm : link
He would look good in blue.
RE: RE: Howard just looks the part....  
BillKo : 1/13/2017 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13324377 section125 said:
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In comment 13324124 BillKo said:


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great size, smooth, soft hands..........

Anyone know his attitude/desire?



Smooth? He looks like he has a stick up his ass when he runs and is very stiff legged. I liked Legget better running, but I think Howard is a better blocker.

Buckey Hodges is slow as shit. Watched his Bowl game and he is just DT slow.


LOL....well, I'm not sure about that. What I meant by smooth is, everything he does appears natural, and looks as if it comes very easily. The ball literally dissapears in his hands when he catches.

And I just watched a highlight tape of him, he's a bit upright but for TE of that size, he's pretty damn smooth, and it looks effortless!!!!
Ditto Leggett looking like a beast  
widmerseyebrow : 1/13/2017 8:32 pm : link
I'm ignorant about his blocking, but he looked like a young Jason Witten against Bama.

I'm all for getting the most football smart guy out of that group at the expense of some measurables. Really want a guy that can contribute right away.

The added bonus would be bumping Tye to TE2 where I think he would be a pretty solid move TE.
RE: RE: The biggest thing I like about Watson is  
allstarjim : 1/13/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13324308 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 13324280 adamg said:


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he always gets back up like nothing happened. He's got a bit of Eli face in him when he takes shots. I respect that.

I suspect Watson is going to be a coach killer. He's going to look so great sometimes, and will make such incredible plays, but he's never going to be a true pass-first QB. I think he's always going to break off the play too quickly and run.

But I don't know, maybe I'm completely wrong. The kid's got a ton of talent. If he's got the discipline to play the pro game, maybe he'll be the next great NFL QB.

The kid at USC looks like the next great pro QB prospect. And he's not ready to come out. He's got that "It" factor that Accorsi said Eli had.


I don't feel like I have done enough homework on Watson yet to make an informed enough opinion, however, I've watched him a couple of times, against Florida State (this year and last year) and Alabama two of the best in college football, and he was phenomenal in those games. And particularly, he played his best football when his team absolutely needed it. Think about this National Championship game... they HAD to have a TD, and they did it. Then Alabama scores, and they HAD to have another TD, with less time on the clock, and he drove them down again. I've seen him do this in multiple games now, he just seems to rise to the occasion. I'm starting to think he's the next Russell Wilson, except 3 inches taller.

I think he's going to find some success in the NFL, I really do. How high can he go? I think he goes in the top dozen picks. I think it's highly possible that both Trubisky and Kizer go before him, though, because they both have more of an NFL QB-prototype body.
There is going to be a ton  
Jon in NYC : 1/13/2017 10:12 pm : link
of midround TE talent. Prefer to go OL or DL in the first assuming the value fits.
It often pays dividends drafting into the strength of the draft  
Torrag : 1/13/2017 11:01 pm : link
While other teams are reaching to fill holes you cherry pick the better players when you're on the clock. I'd love to come away with a TE in this class.
RE: Tuckrule, lots of people said  
WillVAB : 1/13/2017 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13324095 David in LA said:
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we don't draft RB's in round 1 and then we took David Wilson. If there's a stud prospect at any position we will take him, if he grades out. The folks who said we don't value LB's fail to realize that these blue chip MLB's don't come around that often.


Sean Lee was taken right after we picked Linval Joseph and Navarro Bowmen was taken in the 3rd round.

They're around, it's just Reese and co. prioritize other positions.
Evan Engram looks like Aaron Hernandez to me  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 1/14/2017 12:41 am : link
Not the killer part, the football player.
i think getting a really good TE in the draft  
Jersey55 : 1/14/2017 11:23 am : link
is just wishful thinking on our part, especially since most of us have been wanting one since Shockey was here, it seems as if Reese doesn't value the position, but the rest of the league does...
The Top TE in the draft  
mavric : 1/14/2017 11:35 am : link
before his injury was Jake Butt. Had he not torn his ACL, he would be a top 10 pick - the next Gronk or Witten. 6'6" 250 lbs; twice named to 1st Team All American (2015, 2016), winner of the Ozzied Newsome Award in 2015; winner of the John Mackey award 2016; twice named Kwalick–Clark Tight End of the Year (2015, 2016), etc.

The man is a beast. Both in blocking and in moving the ball. Great hands, football mentality, and a winner. Would've been a top 10 pick if not for his injury. Expected to go before the 3rd or 4th round.

Now I am one who says, "pick players with zero injury history" because of the huge problem the Giants had with injuries. But now that we have a whole new conditioning program as well as a new conditioning coach, I would have no problem snagging him in the 2nd or 3rd round...assuming no other team is going after him.

The team I expect to grab him early is the Patriots and everyone will wonder how the hell Belichick always has a monster TE....either that or watch the Cowboys snag him in the first round the way they stock pile highly ranked players that fell because of injuries
Loaded TE draft  
johnboyw : 1/14/2017 11:42 am : link
The need here is pretty high but I don't see them drafting one in the 1st round. There are no Gonzalez', no Wittens and no Shockeys in this draft. Think it's far more likely the Giants will opt for a pass rushing DE in the 1st (may even trade out to the top of the 2nd and still get the guy they want along with a couple of extra picks) and take a 2 way TE later. Could see Shaheen in the 3rd or Roberts from Toledo in the 4th or 5th.
RE: i think getting a really good TE in the draft  
Carson53 : 1/14/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13324861 Jersey55 said:
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is just wishful thinking on our part, especially since most of us have been wanting one since Shockey was here, it seems as if Reese doesn't value the position, but the rest of the league does...
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He only values LB's less. The rest of the league values those
as well. Time to change that philosophy I would say.
OJ Howard  
dk in TX : 1/14/2017 12:24 pm : link
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Butt in the top 10?  
KWALL2 : 1/14/2017 12:32 pm : link
You must be a Michigan fan.

He has very good ball skills but doesn't have the AA to go that high.
RE: Butt in the top 10?  
mavric : 1/14/2017 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13324929 KWALL2 said:
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You must be a Michigan fan.

He has very good ball skills but doesn't have the AA to go that high.


Not a Michigan fan (or even Big Ten fan for that matter). Butt was a stud in his junior year and tapered off a little in his senior year. But he has (had) all the tools to be the next Jason Witten if not for his injury.

I'm not saying that he is a top 10 pick, I'm saying he might have been if not for his injury. Most boards still have him coming off by the 3rd round which is pretty incredible considering he is coming off a torn ACL.

All I'm saying is he might be a steal just like Witten was as a third round pick and Gronk as a 2nd rd pick. It's a crapshoot and Butt has the size and the heart. You can't teach size or heart.

For a little history - the 2003 draft

Tight ends:

1st rd:
Dallas Clark

2nd rd:
Bennie Joppru
L.J. Smith
Teyo Johnson

3rd rd:
Jason Witten
Mike Seidman
Visanthe Shiancoe

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in the 2010 draft

1st rd: Jermaine Gresham
2nd rd: Rob Gronkowski
RE: Butt in the top 10?  
Klaatu : 1/14/2017 1:19 pm : link
Google fitness model Hope Beel. I'd say her butt is definitely in the top ten.
RE: OJ Howard  
Rjanyg : 1/14/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13324920 dk in TX said:
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This video says it all. I wish they showed him blocking. He is pretty solid inline and on the move.

Would instantly improve both the run game and the passing game especially in the redzone. 6'6" 250 LB's. Good size and high game experience.
I like the 2  
RicFlair : 1/14/2017 3:44 pm : link
That played in the championship.

I'll need to see how Butt is recovering before wanting to draft him.
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