What happens if the Giants franchise him then he acts stupid again and decides to not report until the last preseason game then pulls a hamstring and sits out the first four games and so on....I could instantly see trouble that when right after the Packer's game he demanded a three year contract instead of being franchised....I hope the Giants a not hell bend in signing JPP, that money may be used to improve other parts of the team.
2. If they do, he won't sign the tender.
3. We need money to upgrade the offense.
4. Eventually, we're going to need to pay Beckham.
The Giants won't get him for less than market.
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If he stays, it better not be for market dollars given his back stuff..That never gets better, only worse, imo
The Giants won't get him for less than market.
Then bye-bye..Let him be another team's injury problem..
OBJ is a few years away
He's 30 years old in 2018.
If he plays, great, if he doesn't, well then he doesn't play for anybody else either. Nobody wants to see him in New England, Washington, etc next season and the tag is the only way to prevent it unless he signs long term here.
I understand that his body has been taking some hits and is maybe on the verge of a breakdown, but he does seem to be determined to play and to play hard.
I know that it is bad business to pay for past performances, but I would like to see the Giants consider it a bit in the negotiations.
I liked the idea of paying Cruz one more time(it was a pay cut too) gambling a bit on his past. Did not work out as well as I would have hoped. Maybe he needs another year of healing and more time in the slot. I dunno.
Obviously, I would not make a not-so-good GM.
This draft is extremely deep at DE and DT, with projected starters available as late as the 3rd round. A second round prospect I am intrigued by is the DE from Villanova, Tanoh Kpassagnon. 6'7", 290lbs, 4.7 40. Built like a power forward. Honestly, if he could do back flips, he'd be JPP part II.
Tanoh Kpassagnon, highlights - ( New Window )
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see JPP stay, just not sure the Giants can get him for less than Vernon got.
He'd want what? 15 mill per over 4-5 years?
The top 3 DEs in terms of average salary are JJ Watt, OV, and Wilkerson.
All three get around 17 million per year. Quinn from LAR comes in fourth earning 14 and change per. Then the rest of the pack is in the range of around 10-11 per.
I'd imagine JPP sees himself in that upper echelon deserving closer to 15-16 mill per though. To me, that sounds like a crazy number to spend on a guy entering perhaps the tail end of his prime. I just don't know if he's worth the money at this point. Or if he'd ask for that much money (but I'm not optimistic after his statement last week).
Am I wrong in my estimations?
He'd want what? 15 mill per over 4-5 years?
The top 3 DEs in terms of average salary are JJ Watt, OV, and Wilkerson.
All three get around 17 million per year. Quinn from LAR comes in fourth earning 14 and change per. Then the rest of the pack is in the range of around 10-11 per.
I'd imagine JPP sees himself in that upper echelon deserving closer to 15-16 mill per though. To me, that sounds like a crazy number to spend on a guy entering perhaps the tail end of his prime. I just don't know if he's worth the money at this point. Or if he'd ask for that much money (but I'm not optimistic after his statement last week).
Am I wrong in my estimations?
Think you nailed the dilemma
JPP is a foundational Giants football player. He's the best Giants defensive player not named Collins.
We need to do whatever we can (within reason) to keep him.
JPP is a foundational Giants football player. He's the best Giants defensive player not named Collins.
We need to do whatever we can (within reason) to keep him.
I don't disagree, but what is within reason?
He is going to be seeking between 15-19 million
I'd rather re-sign Hankins and look to the draft for a DE. Okwara, Wynn and OO are good depth opposite Vernon. Maybe even an older veteran such as Charles Johnson can be had on a short term deal.
I don't want to lose JPP, but our Defense didn't struggle without him. Yeah, they got no pressure on Rodgers in the playoff game but I don't think JPP would've made a difference. I think that the Giants couldn't blitz Rodgers as much as they wanted once DRC went out and they had to play more zone and rush only 4. Which was working for most of the game until late third and fourth quarter when the defense just got gassed.
Sign two FA OL, a TE, WR to replace Cruz and maybe a RB.
Need to fix this offense so I wouldn't invest big money into a JPP.
Look at the deals Fletcher Cox and Vernon got. Hell Calais Campbell made over 14 million a year the last two years.
I'm very much in favor of the franchise tag here if they can't get a deal done.
Look at the deals Fletcher Cox and Vernon got. Hell Calais Campbell made over 14 million a year the last two years.
I'm very much in favor of the franchise tag here if they can't get a deal done.
Would you franchise JPP and work out a long term deal, under the premise that Hankins is the cheaper of the two and a deal is possible. Or do you franchise JPP and let Hank walk.
Franchise tag for DEs is 15.7 mil, and it's 13 mil for a DT. I think Hank can be kept for around 10 mil per year, so using the tag on JPP makes sense. All that said, will the Giants really lock up 20% of the cap on 2 DEs, and pay Hank, Eli, Pugh, Richburg, OBJ, and Collins.
I don't disagree with any of this at all. It's quite logical.
Hankins I would love to keep but I expect him to be overpaid just like Joseph was when he left. Hankins might grow into a player worth his contract as contracts inflate even more and he improved but who knows. The Giants could see Bromley has the future as in the past they have seemed to be willing to let DTs walk and have an improving draft pick take over.The above scenario is basically what happened when Joseph left. Joseph also turned out to be well worth his contract.
Okwara, Wynn, and Odi are depth players you would rather have as your 4th DE - they aren't replacing JPP.
If I had to pick, Hankins. He's younger and we saw the defense play very well with Hankins and without JPP. Not that we don't have a better defense with him, but that's the decision you have to make.
And yes, there's the back and other injuries to consider.
Move on.
If you are worried that we will overspend and get into trouble in the future, remember that around then we will be paying a rookie salary to our new quarterback instead of the enormous salary that Manning receives.
It makes a lot of sense to pay two defensive ends Vernon money if they are both as productive as Vernon. Losing one of the two hurts the one who remains, since the opponent can only double team one of them
We have to play Dak and the insufferable Cowboys twice a year and Rodgers still stands in the way of returning to the Super Bowl. Manning only has two or three years left so we don't have time to develop rookies.
What is the over/under on JPP threads before he finally signs a contract with someone? I"ll start at 65.
let's face it...this may be his last big contract, and he is not going to give a home discount.....
There is no way JPP goes to the Pats, who do not overpay for free agents, who have health issues...
As for Hankins, he is solid, nothing more...more easily replaceable than JPP....I expected his level of play to rise with better players around him, and didn't see it....
Better to let him go a year to early vs. a year to late.
I would consider franchising him 1 yr. That's it.
Doesnt' Jacksonville have a ton of cash?
Usually you have to take some risks to achieve greatness. If you believe that JPP is overrated against both the pass and run, you're not in agreement with the majority, but you could be right. Are you taking into account the 8 passes he batted away at the line of scrimmage according to PFF, and the blocked field goal?
Why do people keep saying that he's injury prone? In his first five years with the Giants he played in 80 of 85 games, including the post season. Of course he did miss a season and a half after he blew up his hand, but that's not really an injury, although he does have another hand that he could blow up.
Usually you have to take some risks to achieve greatness. If you believe that JPP is overrated against both the pass and run, you're not in agreement with the majority, but you could be right. Are you taking into account the 8 passes he batted away at the line of scrimmage according to PFF, and the blocked field goal?
Why do people keep saying that he's injury prone? In his first five years with the Giants he played in 80 of 85 games, including the post season. Of course he did miss a season and a half after he blew up his hand, but that's not really an injury, although he does have another hand that he could blow up.
He didn't miss a season and a half. He missed half of last year (due to his accident). He missed a quarter of this year (due to a sports' hernia). The last two years he's missed 13 out of 33 games. Mitigating unrealistic circumstances, it still doesn't bode well to a team paying 16 mill dollars that their player might miss a couple of games here or there, when you expect him to be your best player in the front four.
What pockets has he collapsed since he is here?
The Giants and their fans?