[Jerry mode=arrogance]There are finite resources that we build our roster with. You can't have all-pro players at every position. Besides, I feel good with our own in-house all-pro Donnell.[/Jerry]
Everyone saw tonight just how important a competent, professional TE is to this type of offense. The reliance on Tye and Donnell has hamstrung the QB and made it easier for teams to double and bracket OBJ. This has to end. Exhibit A, is today's Dallas - GB game. Exhibit B is Travis Kelce.
Everyone saw tonight just how important a competent, professional TE is to this type of offense. The reliance on Tye and Donnell has hamstrung the QB and made it easier for teams to double and bracket OBJ. This has to end. Exhibit A, is today's Dallas - GB game. Exhibit B is Travis Kelce.
It is an incredibly important weapon. I couldn't agree more
Everyone saw tonight just how important a competent, professional TE is to this type of offense. The reliance on Tye and Donnell has hamstrung the QB and made it easier for teams to double and bracket OBJ. This has to end. Exhibit A, is today's Dallas - GB game. Exhibit B is Travis Kelce.
It is an incredibly important weapon. I couldn't agree more
Which is why I would consider OJ Howard in round 1 if no Fa starter is brought in.
Everyone saw tonight just how important a competent, professional TE is to this type of offense. The reliance on Tye and Donnell has hamstrung the QB and made it easier for teams to double and bracket OBJ. This has to end. Exhibit A, is today's Dallas - GB game. Exhibit B is Travis Kelce.
You don't fully run a competent west coast offense without a half way decent TE. The NYG trot out arguably the worst collection of tight ends in the sport.
Makes me sick, if there was one thing he really dropped the ball on
and their respective teams can survive, why do we, specifically, have to trot out a below average TE rather than just go with an above-average receiver in that sort of a "TE" role?
"Jared Alan Cook (born April 7, 1987) is an American football tight end for the Green Bay Packers of the National Football League (NFL). He is also the part-time owner of the Dallas Cowboys."
But he's a true weapon because of this size/speed. Giants should have signed him.
He could have had 200 yards today if Rodgers hit him on the dee route. He was wide open. Last week he ran right past Collins but Rodgers was short on the pass. A TE like this certainly makes it easier.
I'd like a Montgomery/Prosise type. A big and fast college WR who can play out of the backfield. Montgomery was able to get great matchups all ear.
You don't even know it cook was even a possible get
"Jared Alan Cook (born April 7, 1987) is an American football tight end for the Green Bay Packers of the National Football League (NFL). He is also the part-time owner of the Dallas Cowboys."
and their respective teams can survive, why do we, specifically, have to trot out a below average TE rather than just go with an above-average receiver in that sort of a "TE" role?
This idea that Kelce doesn't block couldn't be farther from the truth. He's a competent blocker, both in-line and downfield.
and their respective teams can survive, why do we, specifically, have to trot out a below average TE rather than just go with an above-average receiver in that sort of a "TE" role?
This idea that Kelce doesn't block couldn't be farther from the truth. He's a competent blocker, both in-line and downfield.
Agreed. Kelce is a better run blocker than John Jerry for that matter.
Actuallly you don't know anything. But carry on with your crusade.
How do you cook even wanted to come here ?? You don't. But fire the gm anyway.
if he was a free agent, it was possible, numbnuts.
but I won't argue with stupid.
You don't know that it was or wasn't possible. None of us do. You can sit at home and sign anyone you want but it doesn't work as easily in the NFL. Cook could hung up or ignored twenty teams we don't know shit. Some of you act like you know but no.
Tye isn't the reason they passed on Cook. Reese doesn't value the position. Why people can't grasp that is just annoying. They let Bennet go for a reasonable deal. That says it all
RE: RE: RE: You don't even know it cook was even a possible get
Actuallly you don't know anything. But carry on with your crusade.
How do you cook even wanted to come here ?? You don't. But fire the gm anyway.
if he was a free agent, it was possible, numbnuts.
but I won't argue with stupid.
You don't know that it was or wasn't possible. None of us do. You can sit at home and sign anyone you want but it doesn't work as easily in the NFL. Cook could hung up or ignored twenty teams we don't know shit. Some of you act like you know but no.
Like I said, for a FREE agent, anything is possible. If he doesn't want to come here, you make him want to come here.
whether Reese DIDN'T reach out to Cook's agent? Not every conversation becomes a news flash.
This is what I would like to know. Did Reese perform his due diligence in regards to this position? IIRC, there weren't any reports of free agent TEs visiting, or any interest at all in FA TEs, for that matter.
Sometimes players that much isn't expected of just manage to perform in big spots - but Cook by far was not a coveted free agent by most teams. Definitely a lot of revisionist history going on here.
it isn't about Cook. It's about being content with our TEs while going all in on the defense and having a franchise QB with a limited window. Will Tye was our starting TE, surpassing Leaping Larry. Let that sink in. From the vaunted football factory of Stony Brook, the storied franchise of the New York Football Giants trots out Will Tye as their starting TE. It's like shitting in a diaper and being happy because you have a warm seat.
this is about Reese doing his due diligence and not sitting content with Donnell and Tye.
Again, you don't know what Reese did. You just assumed he did nothing and then blast him for it. Do you honestly think an NFL gm, any GM doesn't work hard or try hell to improve their team? These guys don't want to fail they don't sit in their office with a smug smile saying out loud I'm smarter than everyone else I don't need to sign anyone.
You don't sign guys with the snap of a finger in FA. There's a process. There are agents and relationships. Players are picky and weird and likely even aloof. FA Players will narrow their choices down to a select few cities. Agents will burn bridges with certain franchises and craft relationships with others. There are so many moving parts involved it's beyond out knowledge. But you just know Reese is ignoring the TE position.
That the Giants went out and conducted a historical FA spending spree last spring. They had a lot of time and money and resources invested in the the defense FA pool. They also likely hoped that Donnell and Tye would develop into better all around players because sometimes that actually happens. Maybe that was a stretch it sure looks that way now.
The Giants would not be playing yesterday if they signed Jared cook. This isn't rob gronkowski we're talking about here. He's a solid receiving TE that is average at blocking. He also missed the majority of this season. I'm sure everyone would be giving Reese a pass for spending 3 million plus on an injured mediocre TE.
Reese and the Giants will address the offense this spring .
I've defended him for years - even the bad ones. I also applaud him for the free agency overhaul he made on defense this year. But, I think he lit the victory cigar way too soon. My gripe is because of the moves he didn't make.
Now, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any TE buzz this offseason. You're right, I'm not a fly on Jerry Reese's wall, so I have no idea if he made calls to Jared Cook or whover. BUT, the big caveat is that nowadays, the casual fan is entrenched via beat writers and information is passed along quite easily.
During this offseason, I do not recall any visits by FA TEs, asshat info, rumors of interest or even any kind of buzz re: TEs. We brought in, I think, Ryan Malleck. That's it. So that tells me right there, that JR had no interest in upgrading the TE position. It tells me he was satisfied with the duo of Tye and Donnell. THIS IS WHAT IS SO DISCONCERTING.
Hell, maybe it's just perception. If it was public information that 2 or 3 TEs made visits, then it is perceived that Jerry made an effort. We all know, in New York, perception is everything. Ask Odell. Now, I'm sure JR does his due diligence, but the TE situation still smells rotten to me.
So that tells me right there, that JR had no interest in upgrading the TE position. It tells me he was satisfied with the duo of Tye and Donnell. THIS IS WHAT IS SO DISCONCERTING.
Or maybe it says JR is looking for "Football Players" and no FA TE passed his criteria for the position.
This is what Green Bay gave Jared Cook in March 2016 while Jerry was having dinner with Larry Donnell.
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It is an incredibly important weapon. I couldn't agree more
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Everyone saw tonight just how important a competent, professional TE is to this type of offense. The reliance on Tye and Donnell has hamstrung the QB and made it easier for teams to double and bracket OBJ. This has to end. Exhibit A, is today's Dallas - GB game. Exhibit B is Travis Kelce.
It is an incredibly important weapon. I couldn't agree more
Which is why I would consider OJ Howard in round 1 if no Fa starter is brought in.
You don't fully run a competent west coast offense without a half way decent TE. The NYG trot out arguably the worst collection of tight ends in the sport.
And Cook from Green Bay. Now you have two players that can play in the postseason and can get you there.
Get rid of Tye and Donnell.
I'm not waiting on Adams to develop. He was OK, but didn't show anything that tells me his the TE of the future.
He could have had 200 yards today if Rodgers hit him on the dee route. He was wide open. Last week he ran right past Collins but Rodgers was short on the pass. A TE like this certainly makes it easier.
I'd like a Montgomery/Prosise type. A big and fast college WR who can play out of the backfield. Montgomery was able to get great matchups all ear.
How do you cook even wanted to come here ?? You don't. But fire the gm anyway.
LOL
By the way, how did the Giants win with Boss or Ballard ? These guys are not all stars
He had a lot of drops with the Rams.
I was not one of them he is much more a big WR then in line TE
This idea that Kelce doesn't block couldn't be farther from the truth. He's a competent blocker, both in-line and downfield.
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and their respective teams can survive, why do we, specifically, have to trot out a below average TE rather than just go with an above-average receiver in that sort of a "TE" role?
This idea that Kelce doesn't block couldn't be farther from the truth. He's a competent blocker, both in-line and downfield.
Agreed. Kelce is a better run blocker than John Jerry for that matter.
Montgomery would get Eli killed? Sure he would.
truth
How do you cook even wanted to come here ?? You don't. But fire the gm anyway.
if he was a free agent, it was possible, numbnuts.
but I won't argue with stupid.
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Actuallly you don't know anything. But carry on with your crusade.
How do you cook even wanted to come here ?? You don't. But fire the gm anyway.
if he was a free agent, it was possible, numbnuts.
but I won't argue with stupid.
You don't know that it was or wasn't possible. None of us do. You can sit at home and sign anyone you want but it doesn't work as easily in the NFL. Cook could hung up or ignored twenty teams we don't know shit. Some of you act like you know but no.
Tye isn't the reason they passed on Cook. Reese doesn't value the position. Why people can't grasp that is just annoying. They let Bennet go for a reasonable deal. That says it all
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Actuallly you don't know anything. But carry on with your crusade.
How do you cook even wanted to come here ?? You don't. But fire the gm anyway.
if he was a free agent, it was possible, numbnuts.
but I won't argue with stupid.
You don't know that it was or wasn't possible. None of us do. You can sit at home and sign anyone you want but it doesn't work as easily in the NFL. Cook could hung up or ignored twenty teams we don't know shit. Some of you act like you know but no.
Like I said, for a FREE agent, anything is possible. If he doesn't want to come here, you make him want to come here.
This is what I would like to know. Did Reese perform his due diligence in regards to this position? IIRC, there weren't any reports of free agent TEs visiting, or any interest at all in FA TEs, for that matter.
He had a great game, but as usual BBI is reactionary and unable to see the big picture.
March 2016 Write Up on Packers' Signing of Cook - ( New Window )
He had a great game, but as usual BBI is reactionary and unable to see the big picture.
+1
Again, you don't know what Reese did. You just assumed he did nothing and then blast him for it. Do you honestly think an NFL gm, any GM doesn't work hard or try hell to improve their team? These guys don't want to fail they don't sit in their office with a smug smile saying out loud I'm smarter than everyone else I don't need to sign anyone.
You don't sign guys with the snap of a finger in FA. There's a process. There are agents and relationships. Players are picky and weird and likely even aloof. FA Players will narrow their choices down to a select few cities. Agents will burn bridges with certain franchises and craft relationships with others. There are so many moving parts involved it's beyond out knowledge. But you just know Reese is ignoring the TE position.
So Cook was 'killing them softly'.
The Giants would not be playing yesterday if they signed Jared cook. This isn't rob gronkowski we're talking about here. He's a solid receiving TE that is average at blocking. He also missed the majority of this season. I'm sure everyone would be giving Reese a pass for spending 3 million plus on an injured mediocre TE.
Reese and the Giants will address the offense this spring .
Now, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any TE buzz this offseason. You're right, I'm not a fly on Jerry Reese's wall, so I have no idea if he made calls to Jared Cook or whover. BUT, the big caveat is that nowadays, the casual fan is entrenched via beat writers and information is passed along quite easily.
During this offseason, I do not recall any visits by FA TEs, asshat info, rumors of interest or even any kind of buzz re: TEs. We brought in, I think, Ryan Malleck. That's it. So that tells me right there, that JR had no interest in upgrading the TE position. It tells me he was satisfied with the duo of Tye and Donnell. THIS IS WHAT IS SO DISCONCERTING.
Hell, maybe it's just perception. If it was public information that 2 or 3 TEs made visits, then it is perceived that Jerry made an effort. We all know, in New York, perception is everything. Ask Odell. Now, I'm sure JR does his due diligence, but the TE situation still smells rotten to me.
Or maybe it says JR is looking for "Football Players" and no FA TE passed his criteria for the position.