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Interesting tweet from Snacks to Ron Leary last night

Matt in SGS : 1/16/2017 10:11 am
Going into the 2016 season, there was a huge leadership gap on the Giants defense. Coming off that horrible 2015, we weren't sure who was going to step up, and it turned out that a bunch of guys did. JPP, Vernon, Collins, etc. But the guy who stood out to me was the big guy in the middle, Snacks.

I've been a proponent that this offseason, the key for the Giants to take the next logical step as Super Bowl contender is to fix the offensive line. I am of the opinion that the conservative playcalling from McAdoo and Sullivan was less about creativity, and more that they just didn't trust this OL to get the job done for any extended period of time, so they tried to limit the damage (field position and turnovers). McAdoo has a dinner menu and he basically picked from 4 plays like he was playing tecmo bowl. When McAdoo realized he had a defense that could close games, he played close to the vest and let them win games, and they went 11-5.

Going into the offseason, I felt that the Giants should target Ron Leary from Dallas. He's a luxury 6th OL on their line, he doesn't have a spot next year with Collins coming back, and he's a free agent on a Cowboy team that is strangled by the cap and their defense is not that good (and was exposed) and they have age creeping up at their skill positions despite Dak and Zeke (Bryant is 29, Witten 35, Williams turns 28, Beasley turns 28). Bottom line, they can't keep Leary and odds are he won't stay so he can start.

Enter the Giants, who could use him on this line and take him away from Dallas. Last night, Snacks tweeted the following:

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Damon Harrison & #8207;@BigDame900 14h14 hours ago
Not celebrating a loss for guys who lay it all out there for their teams. Proud of my bro @RonLeary75 I got nothing but respect for him.


Of all the guys for Snacks to show love to, it's the Cowboys free agent OL, in an area the Giants need. Sounds like Snacks is starting his recruiting. I love this guy and the Giants signing him more and more every day.
More than likely  
Old Dirty Beckham : 1/16/2017 10:13 am : link
they share an agent or workout together in the offseason.

Leary makes sense. Curious what our OL gurus think about him. Is he good or part of a great line?
"We need more  
HoustonGiant : 1/16/2017 10:15 am : link
defensive ends....."

signed,

JR
Trust Snacks  
NJLCO : 1/16/2017 10:15 am : link
I trust Snacks for finding us some OL talent more so then Reese every time!
It makes a lot of sense.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2017 10:15 am : link
The Giants like to bring in guys from other NFC East teams.
echoes of the Ron Stone trade  
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The OL needs an offseason like the DL had last year.  
Heisenberg : 1/16/2017 10:19 am : link
Leary would fit nicely.
Makes me think  
lugnut : 1/16/2017 10:20 am : link
Snacks and Leary must have gone toe-to-toe on the line in their two games, and Snacks was impressed by his performance. Good endorsement.
Leary  
giants#1 : 1/16/2017 10:21 am : link
Leary's also the one player on the Cowboys OL that Snacks likely battles play in and play out. So it could just be that he knows the type of player Leary is from their battles this year.
What kind of contract do you give a 28 year-old (April)  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 10:25 am : link
albeit OL can play well into their 30s?
Leary  
stretch234 : 1/16/2017 10:26 am : link
I have always wondered how much success he has because he plays between 2 All Pro players and has nothing to worry about on each side

Him leaving weakens them because Collins really has not been good when he has played
RE: What kind of contract do you give a 28 year-old (April)  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13328056 Big Blue '56 said:
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albeit OL can play well into their 30s?

He will probably get somewhere around 8-10M per.
RE: echoes of the Ron Stone trade  
drkenneth : 1/16/2017 10:31 am : link
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We didn't trade for Stone. He was an UFA.
Doesn't Leary have that  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/16/2017 10:33 am : link
degenerative knee condition?
Leary  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2017 10:33 am : link
has a degenerative knee condition that was diagnosed before the 2012 draft. I'm sure Reese will look into this.
RE: What kind of contract do you give a 28 year-old (April)  
njm : 1/16/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13328056 Big Blue '56 said:
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albeit OL can play well into their 30s?


I would have no problems giving a 28 year old OL a 5 year deal with at least 50% guaranteed. Not sure what the market value will be this year.
I think you give McAdoo  
SHO'NUFF : 1/16/2017 10:48 am : link
too much credit.
I would be very interested  
area junc : 1/16/2017 11:09 am : link
in moving Pugh back to T, Flowers to RG and signing Leary at LG.

This would give us 2 interior blasters in the run game and Pugh can hold up fine at T in the quick passing game IMO.
Matt,  
ColHowPepper : 1/16/2017 11:14 am : link
In your estimation what are chances that Cowboys decide to move on from Free and plug in Leary? And if Dallas doesn't, does that reflect major concern as to Leary's long term health outlook?
RE: I would be very interested  
Rjanyg : 1/16/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13328142 area junc said:
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in moving Pugh back to T, Flowers to RG and signing Leary at LG.

This would give us 2 interior blasters in the run game and Pugh can hold up fine at T in the quick passing game IMO.

I would tend to agree that Pugh to LT is a possibility. I would guess that Flowers moves to RT and if Leary was signed he would move to RG. Road Grader. Draft a guard and let Jones, Gettis, Hart and a rookie fight it out in camp for the LG position.
Matt  
Rjanyg : 1/16/2017 11:17 am : link
love the tecmo bowl comparison. Too funny and too true.
RE: Matt,  
giants#1 : 1/16/2017 11:25 am : link
In comment 13328150 ColHowPepper said:
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In your estimation what are chances that Cowboys decide to move on from Free and plug in Leary? And if Dallas doesn't, does that reflect major concern as to Leary's long term health outlook?


Leary's never played anywhere but LG (in the pros at least). Though they could re-sign him, cut Free and then move Collins out to RT. But my guess is they simply let Leary leave and slide Collins back into the LG spot. Remember, Collins was the starter at LG entering 2017 before he got injured. Granted he was abused in the opener by Snacks.
I'll say this again..  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/16/2017 11:53 am : link
Lang is a better option than Leary if he hits the market. Lang is a top tier RG. Leary would have to be moved to RG, or you'd have to move Pugh.

I'm not sure why we are so eager to move Pugh out of a position he is playing well. Pugh was moved inside for a reason.

IMV you leave the strongest OL alone and build around him.
giants#1, thanks for that info  
ColHowPepper : 1/16/2017 12:17 pm : link
as to re-shuffling of the Giants' linemen--and I know this is not your post or position--e.g., shifting Pugh to LT, to me that smacks of more desperation and weakening of the one good performance the OL has had, Pugh at LG...more desperation borne of the shit show on OL, smh
RE: I'll say this again..  
Rjanyg : 1/16/2017 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13328251 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Lang is a better option than Leary if he hits the market. Lang is a top tier RG. Leary would have to be moved to RG, or you'd have to move Pugh.

I'm not sure why we are so eager to move Pugh out of a position he is playing well. Pugh was moved inside for a reason.

IMV you leave the strongest OL alone and build around him.


If we are looking to replace Flowers at LT we have 4 choices: sign a free agent, draft a LT, trade or the person is on our roster already. How likely is it that next years left tackle comes from the draft? Not likely IMO. The next source is free agency. Whitworth and Rieff are the only viable options so it is possible that Reese explores these 2 guys. Joe Thomas is the popular option through a trade but what are you willing to give up? This years 1st rounder?

Justin Pugh has played LT and happens to have played there in college as well. It is an option.
RE: Matt,  
Matt in SGS : 1/16/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13328150 ColHowPepper said:
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In your estimation what are chances that Cowboys decide to move on from Free and plug in Leary? And if Dallas doesn't, does that reflect major concern as to Leary's long term health outlook?


A couple of things here. I don't think Dallas has the means to keep him. Like I noted above, they are in cap hell. And despite the talking heads claiming this is the new dynasty like the 90s, they are nothing like the 90s. Yes, a big name trio at QB, RB, and WR. But the 1990s Cowboys had a dominant defense. This defense scares no one. They need to get help on defense or they will be one and done again. Additionally, they have age starting to show up at TE and WR. Simply put, they can't devote the money needed to keep Leary. That's why they signed Cooper, to fill that spot next year.

Leary has no motivation to stay. Let's say his knee causes teams to balk, so what they'll do is put incentives in his contract. If he plays the games, he will get paid. Dallas can't devote the playing time to him. Nor the money.

And Doug Free just restructured his deal and would be a $2.5 million dead cap hit in 2017...and their cap is already screwed. So he's not going anywhere.
Free is 33,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 3:36 pm : link
Cap hit or not, is retaining him the best call?
thanks, Matt  
ColHowPepper : 1/16/2017 4:58 pm : link
good color on their cap consequences; bit of a yellow flag with Leary: Reese has not done well signing players with injury questions/history
Spend the money on Zeitler  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 5:06 pm : link
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RE: More than likely  
mrvax : 1/16/2017 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13328036 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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they share an agent or workout together in the offseason.

Leary makes sense. Curious what our OL gurus think about him. Is he good or part of a great line?


If it's not that or a family tie, Snacks has said a lot. Assume no ties to Leary: Harrison is saying between the lines that unlike the Giants Dline, the Oline has issues and needs an upgrade.

He's also saying we have an incompetent starter at the RG position that we need to upgrade. He recognizes Leary is a good player the Giants need and should listen carefully to the Giants offers in March.

The other side of Snack's Tweet is they know each other from Weight Watchers.
RE: Spend the money on Zeitler  
EddieNYG : 1/16/2017 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13328843 Big Blue '56 said:
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I agree 100% on this.

Sign his teammate Whitworth to play LT for one or two years and move Flowers to RT. Maybe Whitworth can take him under his wing and teach him a thing or two about LT.

LT - Whitworth
LG - Pugh
C - Richburg
RG - Zeitler
RT - Flowers
If we don't want to sign an aging vet  
EddieNYG : 1/16/2017 5:49 pm : link
Than go after Riley Reiff to play LT.
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