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NFT: Knicks: Melo vs. Phil?

DanMetroMan : 1/16/2017 10:59 am
-KP hopeful he can play today, Hornacek deemed him "doubtful" last night. If he's borderline then he shouldn't play.


"When asked to respond to that particular line in the article, Anthony said: “If that’s the case than that’s what’s coming from that side I guess it’s a conversation we should have. If they feel like my time in New York is over I guess that’s a conversation we should have.”

During Anthony’s post-game interview session with reporters on Sunday, Anthony was informed twice that the article was not written by Jackson but instead a close friend. Anthony, though, had no trouble connecting the dots, suggesting that it is more than a coincidence that the writer who criticized him in the piece has a relationship with the Knicks team president.

“Listen,” Anthony said, “if that’s what they feel…if that’s what’s coming from that side that’s what’s coming from that side. I haven’t thought once about that to be honest with you. I hear it. I hear all the rhetoric that’s going on out there and I still come to work every day and play and bust my ass and try not to worry about it.”
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RE: warriors are just unreal  
giantsfan44ab : 1/16/2017 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13329022 nygiants16 said:
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they have good passers at every position and every single one of them has bought in and are unselfish...

exactly what you need to do when you get a bunch of superstars together...


If you have the talent everything else will work itself out eventually.
RE: RE: warriors are just unreal  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13329045 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13329022 nygiants16 said:


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they have good passers at every position and every single one of them has bought in and are unselfish...

exactly what you need to do when you get a bunch of superstars together...



If you have the talent everything else will work itself out eventually.


but you still need someone to take a lesser role then they are used to..

wade said this, the heat really struggled when the heat first came together because all 3 were looking for their oppurtunities and they did not turn it around until he and bosh deferred to lebron...

RE: RE: RE: warriors are just unreal  
giantsfan44ab : 1/16/2017 10:35 pm : link
In comment 13329048 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13329022 nygiants16 said:


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they have good passers at every position and every single one of them has bought in and are unselfish...

exactly what you need to do when you get a bunch of superstars together...



If you have the talent everything else will work itself out eventually.



but you still need someone to take a lesser role then they are used to..

wade said this, the heat really struggled when the heat first came together because all 3 were looking for their oppurtunities and they did not turn it around until he and bosh deferred to lebron...


Lebron is the 2nd best player of all time, Wade is a top 5 all time SG and bosh was a perennial all star. When did a team have more talent than that one? The Bulls? The KG Celtics? The current Warriors?It worked out eventually for them. My point is simply a collection of that much talent on an NBA roster has never failed. The Warriors gave 4 guys who will be on HoF ballots in their primes. Probably the greatest collection of talent ever on one team.
yeah it is just crazy to have that much talent  
nygiants16 : 1/16/2017 10:37 pm : link
and it work so well together like they have been playing together for yeaes, the offense is so smooth
RE: RE: RE: RE: warriors are just unreal  
Deej : 1/16/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13329057 giantsfan44ab said:
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Lebron is the 2nd best player of all time, Wade is a top 5 all time SG and bosh was a perennial all star. When did a team have more talent than that one? The Bulls? The KG Celtics? The current Warriors?It worked out eventually for them. My point is simply a collection of that much talent on an NBA roster has never failed. The Warriors gave 4 guys who will be on HoF ballots in their primes. Probably the greatest collection of talent ever on one team.


RE: yeah it is just crazy to have that much talent  
giantsfan44ab : 1/16/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13329061 nygiants16 said:
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and it work so well together like they have been playing together for yeaes, the offense is so smooth


They are all perfect fits for each other. Steph, Klay and KD are all time great shooters who are all willing to make the extra pass and draymond is always looking to set up his teammates first and foremost. It's a plus that he can run an offense out of the post compared to traditional PGs/PFs so everyone else can move around the perimeter.

And Deej KM averaged like 13 ppg his final year lol (unless that was a joke).
Shelbourne reporting  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 8:42 am : link
melo and knicks will meet soon to discuss future, my guess is today at practice
has there ever been a bigger, more high profile bust of a sports  
Victor in CT : 1/17/2017 8:45 am : link
executive than Phil Jackson? The only one I can think of who comes close is Ditka with the Saints
Good news.  
Keith : 1/17/2017 9:16 am : link
There will at least be some sort of resolution soon. Hopefully its with Melo accepting a trade somewhere. Then the knicks can break it down and get as many assets as possible. I know Noah's contract is bad(too many years), but they would be $50M under the cap if they get rid of Melo and don't resign Rose. Hopefully they can accumulate some assets for some of our spare parts.
RE: Good news.  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 9:23 am : link
In comment 13329229 Keith said:
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There will at least be some sort of resolution soon. Hopefully its with Melo accepting a trade somewhere. Then the knicks can break it down and get as many assets as possible. I know Noah's contract is bad(too many years), but they would be $50M under the cap if they get rid of Melo and don't resign Rose. Hopefully they can accumulate some assets for some of our spare parts.


watching some of these prospects makes me want the knicks to be in the lottery more than in the playoffs...

but we all know whats going to happen, knicks will win a couple in a row and be in the 7th or 8th seed by the all star break and then knicks will make a stupid trade to help win now and get the 8th seed and swept
RE: has there ever been a bigger, more high profile bust of a sports  
Deej : 1/17/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13329201 Victor in CT said:
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executive than Phil Jackson? The only one I can think of who comes close is Ditka with the Saints


Sure, lots. After all, what havoc has he really wrought? Are you crying over the breakup of the Tyson Chandler Knicks?

I have my problems with Phil's time here. I think he has been unwilling to do the necessary rebuild. That only really started hurting us this season with the Rose and Noah deals. But even those we can survive without too much pain so long as we dont hear logic like "well there is no rebuilding when Noah and Melo are owed 45 million a year, so we might as well sign X and try to do some damage" (I fucking hate the phrase "do some damage").

At the end of the day, if the Phil era ended now, it would be remembered for shitty basketball and shitty coaching, but also KP and maybe Willy, and for the first time in forever we own our picks. All in not terrible.
The real problem with Phil  
Keith : 1/17/2017 9:39 am : link
was that he believed in Melo and Melo failed him. That's really it.
Oh  
Keith : 1/17/2017 9:39 am : link
and that's on Phil.
Rosen  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 9:44 am : link
There was more silence from Jackson on Monday but not from Rosen. In damage-control mode, Rosen wrote another piece for the website, stating the original article was not Jackson’s viewpoint but his own.


“It’s no secret that I’ve been a longtime friend and confidant of Phil Jackson,” Rosen wrote as an introduction. “Nearly 34 years to be precise. … Although some of my opinions may be congruent with Phil’s, they are strictly my own. For better or for worse.”

Jimmer  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 9:44 am : link
is averaging 37.4, 8.4 boards, 4.7 assists in China lol
RE: Oh  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 9:46 am : link
In comment 13329250 Keith said:
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and that's on Phil.


i am actually surprised phil resigned him, i thiught he would of told him sogn woth chicago and work a sign and trade...

I think phil saw the pick owed and got nervous if he rebuilt he would give up a top 3 pick..
in reality the knicks screwed up  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 9:48 am : link
when walsh tried to win games rather than tank for 2 years and get 2 young prospects to go along with a ton of cap space..

that is where the knicks screwed up and phil is doing the wxact same thing
Yeah,  
Keith : 1/17/2017 9:48 am : link
then he threw in the NTC(which is possible he had to do to get it done). Phil obviously believed that you can win with Melo as a centerpiece. He was wrong and it let to the future moves.
Early list of prospects I'd  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 9:48 am : link
want, falling in the 8-14 range:

1) Malik Monk (probably won't fall too far though)
2) Jonathan Isaac
3) Jason Tatum
4) Dwayne Bacon
5) Lauri Markonnen
The Phil era is really only a disaster  
Deej : 1/17/2017 9:48 am : link
if for some reason you got your hopes up.
RE: The Phil era is really only a disaster  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13329276 Deej said:
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if for some reason you got your hopes up.


it is not a disaster, when he took over there was absolutely nothing the knicks could hang their hat on for the future..

now they have some flexibility, draft picks and a young stud to build around..
Melo's a guy whose  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/17/2017 9:51 am : link
"prime athleticism" window and "prime skill" window just didn't cross over at the right time.

Young Nugget Bullyball Dunkonyoface Melo + D'Antoni 3ball smarter Melo = Legendary Scorer roughly on the Dirk/Kobe level maybe even greater

He was a very good player, generally around #10-#15 in the league in his prime with maybe 2 seasons in the Top 5 as a player.

But it just sucks that it seems like by the time he adjusted his game to a more efficient style, his athleticism near the rim deteriorated. He's still going to end up having a "less fun to watch" Dominique Wilkins type of career, but it could have been so much more.
The Phil era has just begun.  
Keith : 1/17/2017 9:52 am : link
What if Phil is able to move a lot of these pieces for expirings and picks? Then it all worked. It was a gamble to see if these guys can play together, but it could be unwound fairly easily and we didn't lose any long term assets(picks/young players). Too early to call him a failure.
RE: The real problem with Phil  
Deej : 1/17/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13329249 Keith said:
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was that he believed in Melo and Melo failed him. That's really it.


That's just flowerly language.

What Phil did was get the team's star player to resign. Did Phil "believe in" Melo? What does that even mean, and what is your evidence other than the fact that Melo was resigned? I think Phil didnt like the idea of Melo leaving for no return, and he was right to resign him.

If anything the problem isnt that he "believed in" Melo but rather that he "believed" Melo. I.e. he could have possible held out against the no trade clause, or at least this offseason pushed to see if it was a bluff by not bringing in vets.
Markkanen  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 9:54 am : link
47% from 3!

I like Isaac in that range, reminds me a bit of Bosh. Draft looks pretty loaded top 15 or so.
If only Melo would resign  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/17/2017 9:58 am : link
Alas, he re-signed.
RE: Markkanen  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13329295 DanMetroMan said:
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47% from 3!

I like Isaac in that range, reminds me a bit of Bosh. Draft looks pretty loaded top 15 or so.


He's gotta trademark the phrase ILOVEMARKANNEN before he enters the league lol.

Only issue is the fit between KP and him as they both have similar strengths/weaknesses but get the best talent and worry about fit later.
i wonder if cavs struggles  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 10:00 am : link
will have lebron force management to make a move..
If the Cavs make a move  
Keith : 1/17/2017 10:01 am : link
it's going to be to add someone without giving up a major piece. If you are suggesting Melo to Cleveland with them shipping Love...I'd be absolutely shocked and I'd bet my house it won't happen.
We  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 10:05 am : link
just need a broken leg for Love. Then we deal Melo and Rose for the Cavs 2018, 2020, 2022 picks + Liggins
RE: We  
Deej : 1/17/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13329324 DanMetroMan said:
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just need a broken leg for Love. Then we deal Melo and Rose for the Cavs 2018, 2020, 2022 picks + Liggins


Not wishing it on any player, but the potential buyers list for Rose or Melo gets bigger when you start imagining season ending injuries.

Alas, my gut tells me that this will be like last year, and the whole league will sit out the trade deadline because in their hearts, everyone believe that it is GSW-CLE again.
RE: Early list of prospects I'd  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/17/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13329275 giantsfan44ab said:
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want, falling in the 8-14 range:

1) Malik Monk (probably won't fall too far though)
2) Jonathan Isaac
3) Jason Tatum
4) Dwayne Bacon
5) Lauri Markonnen


I think Markannen, Monk, and Isaac are top 8 picks, possibly 10 at the latest. We need the Knicks to lose some fucking games. Sit KP until he's absolutely 100% healthy and trade Rose/Melo.
RE: If the Cavs make a move  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13329318 Keith said:
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it's going to be to add someone without giving up a major piece. If you are suggesting Melo to Cleveland with them shipping Love...I'd be absolutely shocked and I'd bet my house it won't happen.


if you ask lebron to choose between love and melo, who do you think he is pocking? knicks can throw in jennings, give them a back up point
RE: RE: Early list of prospects I'd  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 10:09 am : link
In comment 13329331 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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want, falling in the 8-14 range:

1) Malik Monk (probably won't fall too far though)
2) Jonathan Isaac
3) Jason Tatum
4) Dwayne Bacon
5) Lauri Markonnen



I think Markannen, Monk, and Isaac are top 8 picks, possibly 10 at the latest. We need the Knicks to lose some fucking games. Sit KP until he's absolutely 100% healthy and trade Rose/Melo.


my eye is on miles bridges, i thibk he can turn into a more athletic draymond green
RE: If the Cavs make a move  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/17/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13329318 Keith said:
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it's going to be to add someone without giving up a major piece. If you are suggesting Melo to Cleveland with them shipping Love...I'd be absolutely shocked and I'd bet my house it won't happen.

They'd be idiots to do that. Hurts them defensively and on the boards. Scoring is all Melo brings, and with Lebron and Irving, he won't have as many touches.
Kevin Love  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 10:19 am : link
Is a better player flat out than Melo at this point. You put love on the Knicks they'd have a similar record but Love would go back to having those crazy efficient 25 12 and 5 seasons.
Love is the only thing that would make sense for the Cavs.  
Heisenberg : 1/17/2017 10:19 am : link
I could see them doing it, if LBJ wanted it.

This guy makes a case that it could work for Cleveland. I have no idea how Love would fit with KP. You can't really play them both at the 4. I do suppose there are some nights you could play Love at the 5.
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Lonzo Ball is the guy I want  
Greg from LI : 1/17/2017 10:20 am : link
But they're not going to pick high enough to get him. Probably goes in the top 3.

There will be some very good players still available after the top 10, though.
Melo had a good scoring game yesterday,  
Keith : 1/17/2017 10:21 am : link
but he's best suited as a spot up shooter. He'd fit on a team that has a good offense and can get Melo a lot of open looks. He's no longer a top notch scorer, but he is a top notch shooter.
I'm surprised Caleb Swanigan doesn't get more love in mock drafts...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/17/2017 10:26 am : link
he's a 2nd rounder in most of them. I see a LOT of Z-Bo in his game.
RE: Lonzo Ball is the guy I want  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/17/2017 10:28 am : link
In comment 13329359 Greg from LI said:
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But they're not going to pick high enough to get him. Probably goes in the top 3.

There will be some very good players still available after the top 10, though.


If I had the 1st pick, I'd take Ball. I don't even mean that as a Knicks fan. If I had the first pick with any team, I'd take Ball.
By the way, attempted damage control by Lee....  
Keith : 1/17/2017 10:31 am : link
“Posted a pic of dumb n dumber cuz that was my mood, no jab at no1. It’s dumb that we have a talented team and we’re in position to win games n keep losing by 1 possession. We’ll figure it out collectively as a team but that was my mood after the game. Has nothing to with any change, rotation, system, players, coaches, so let that be clear. In other news Happy MLK day,” Lee wrote.
Amazing that the goddamn Celtics  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2017 10:31 am : link
are gonna wind up with one of those stud guards at the top of draft, and maybe sign a Gordon Hayward on top of it. Fucking Nets.
RE: I'm surprised Caleb Swanigan doesn't get more love in mock drafts...  
Deej : 1/17/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13329371 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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he's a 2nd rounder in most of them. I see a LOT of Z-Bo in his game.


Dont know Swanigan, but teams dont want the next Z-Bo. They want one athletic rim protecting center and then a stretch 4. Traditional bigs are devalued all around the league.
RE: I'm surprised Caleb Swanigan doesn't get more love in mock drafts...  
dep026 : 1/17/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13329371 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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he's a 2nd rounder in most of them. I see a LOT of Z-Bo in his game.


He's a beast. Just so much bigger than everyone in college. I am sure though they see he cant bully people in the NBA like he does in college.
RE: RE: Lonzo Ball is the guy I want  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13329373 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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But they're not going to pick high enough to get him. Probably goes in the top 3.

There will be some very good players still available after the top 10, though.



If I had the 1st pick, I'd take Ball. I don't even mean that as a Knicks fan. If I had the first pick with any team, I'd take Ball.


If you have a top 3 pick this year you won't have to worry about your PG situation for a decade +.
If I am the Celtics.....  
dep026 : 1/17/2017 10:34 am : link
I am offering the Bulls the Brooklyn pick and Bradley for Butler. Boston doesnt need a PG, and the top of next years draft is all PGs. The Bulls are in dire need of one. But I am not sure the Bulls would do that trade either though.

D'Aaron Fox is my choice as number 1.
Here's another one:  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 10:34 am : link
Melo and Holiday for Carrol, Sullinger and the two 1st rounders the raps own this year.
RE: Here's another one:  
dep026 : 1/17/2017 10:36 am : link
In comment 13329391 giantsfan44ab said:
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Melo and Holiday for Carrol, Sullinger and the two 1st rounders the raps own this year.


Toronto says no.
Fultz is my #1  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 10:39 am : link
Has a lot of James Harden offensively and is much better defensively.

Dennis smith has the athleticism of Rose but has some semblance of basketball IQ and defensive ability.
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