-KP hopeful he can play today, Hornacek deemed him "doubtful" last night. If he's borderline then he shouldn't play.
"When asked to respond to that particular line in the article, Anthony said: “If that’s the case than that’s what’s coming from that side I guess it’s a conversation we should have. If they feel like my time in New York is over I guess that’s a conversation we should have.”
During Anthony’s post-game interview session with reporters on Sunday, Anthony was informed twice that the article was not written by Jackson but instead a close friend. Anthony, though, had no trouble connecting the dots, suggesting that it is more than a coincidence that the writer who criticized him in the piece has a relationship with the Knicks team president.
“Listen,” Anthony said, “if that’s what they feel…if that’s what’s coming from that side that’s what’s coming from that side. I haven’t thought once about that to be honest with you. I hear it. I hear all the rhetoric that’s going on out there and I still come to work every day and play and bust my ass and try not to worry about it.”
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And Melo is better than Rose, thus giving him more value immediately.
Trust me, this is highly debatable right now.
Not really. Melo is a scratch player and Rose is a -10 player (o/d net ratings). Melo's PER is higher. Melo's WS48 is WAY higher. Ditto VORP, BPM, and OBPM. The Knicks are also getting constantly scorched by opposing PGs. Rose's defense is horrific, and I lived through Calderon. You can very rightly criticize Melo's D this year, but at least it is at times decent. Rose is just putrid on D, at all time.
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And Melo is better than Rose, thus giving him more value immediately.
Trust me, this is highly debatable right now.
Let me put it this way. Melo can still score from anywhere on the floor, AND if you move him to PF his defense gets better.
Rose can't shoot and can't defend no matter where you put him.
Fair points, but Melo at the 4 means no shot blocker near the rim, and he still wont be a good post defender.
The question is can Melo still score from anywhere on the court efficiently?
He has recently. He's actually had a very good month offensively. Normally he starts well and tails off as the season goes on. This year it's been the opposite.
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And Melo is better than Rose, thus giving him more value immediately.
Trust me, this is highly debatable right now.
Not really. Melo is a scratch player and Rose is a -10 player (o/d net ratings). Melo's PER is higher. Melo's WS48 is WAY higher. Ditto VORP, BPM, and OBPM. The Knicks are also getting constantly scorched by opposing PGs. Rose's defense is horrific, and I lived through Calderon. You can very rightly criticize Melo's D this year, but at least it is at times decent. Rose is just putrid on D, at all time.
Melo's defense maybe the worst in the NBA. Lets be real.
Toronto: Melo would start rose wouldn't
Boston: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Washington: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Indiana: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Milwaukee: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Chicago: take your pick. Both would start. But Rose brings the same issues MCW, Rondo and Grant bring.
Charlotte: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Detroit: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Spurs: both would start but Pop wouldn't introduce either of those players into his system.
Houston: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't. Either way both are bad fits.
LAC: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Utah: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Memphis: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
OKC: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Portland: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Easy to see why Melo has more trade value.
At PF his defense isn't bad. When he has to chase around SF's it's horrendous, but his defense against the PF position is at least passable.
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Toronto: Melo would start rose wouldn't
Boston: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Washington: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Indiana: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Milwaukee: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Chicago: take your pick. Both would start. But Rose brings the same issues MCW, Rondo and Grant bring.
Charlotte: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Detroit: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Spurs: both would start but Pop wouldn't introduce either of those players into his system.
Houston: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't. Either way both are bad fits.
LAC: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Utah: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Memphis: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
OKC: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Portland: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Easy to see why Melo has more trade value.
Are you on crack?
Many of those teams would not start Melo because their 3 man is their BEST defender.
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And Melo is better than Rose, thus giving him more value immediately.
Trust me, this is highly debatable right now.
Not really. Melo is a scratch player and Rose is a -10 player (o/d net ratings). Melo's PER is higher. Melo's WS48 is WAY higher. Ditto VORP, BPM, and OBPM. The Knicks are also getting constantly scorched by opposing PGs. Rose's defense is horrific, and I lived through Calderon. You can very rightly criticize Melo's D this year, but at least it is at times decent. Rose is just putrid on D, at all time.
Melo's defense maybe the worst in the NBA. Lets be real.
Being real, Rose is a worse defender than Melo. Melo's D has been bad this year. Rose's D has been consistently horrific. And to worse effect -- our biggest defensive issue this year has been slowing down opposing PGs, not SFs. And lets remember, Melo is effectively playing out of position. That's a semi-excuse only because the effort has been lacking with him.
I am being real. He can still create shots for himself, because he most definitely doesn't have a PG who can create them for him. I don't know what you consider a "contested" mid-range jumper. Usually he's taking shots from the mid-range that he creates space to take. Either a jab step or a one dribble pull-up. He has a nice turnaround fadaway in the post as well. That's the stuff I see. I watch every game.
So the "Noah is playing better" observations we're all making is backed up in the stats.
Who would Melo have to guard in the east? The worst of it is love and milsap but other than that who else? Amir Johnson? Patrick Patterson? Markief Morris? Thad Young? Taj Gibson? It's a joke it's so easy to hide Melo on those guys.
But look at rose. He's not gonna face even an average PG regardless of the matchup. Lowry, Wall, Kyrie, Thomas, Kemba are all top 5-8 PGs in the league right now. Rose got torched by Schroder yesterday. Jeff Teague and Brogdon are the best case scenarios but Rose got torched by Brogdon last week. You can't get away with Rose being a starter defensively. Melo you can get by.
I know one thing... if Rose could start by keeping his mane from getting into the paint the team defense would get better instantly.
So the "Noah is playing better" observations we're all making is backed up in the stats.
Happy to see. He's such a prideful player. Wouldn't mind having him around for a rebuild even with his overpaid contract
You've hit the nail on the head on why Rose can't be a starter on a playoff team.
Who would Melo have to guard in the east? The worst of it is love and milsap but other than that who else? Amir Johnson? Patrick Patterson? Markief Morris? Thad Young? Taj Gibson? It's a joke it's so easy to hide Melo on those guys.
But look at rose. He's not gonna face even an average PG regardless of the matchup. Lowry, Wall, Kyrie, Thomas, Kemba are all top 5-8 PGs in the league right now. Rose got torched by Schroder yesterday. Jeff Teague and Brogdon are the best case scenarios but Rose got torched by Brogdon last week. You can't get away with Rose being a starter defensively. Melo you can get by.
Brogdon was like 5-14 and 4-9 agsainst the Knicks. Hardly being torched.
It's no surprise to me that Melo has never sniffed a championship, despite some on here claiming he wsa a top 10-15 player. He's not a complete player and he adds nothing on the defensive side.
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Toronto: Melo would start rose wouldn't
Boston: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Washington: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Indiana: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Milwaukee: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Chicago: take your pick. Both would start. But Rose brings the same issues MCW, Rondo and Grant bring.
Charlotte: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Detroit: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Spurs: both would start but Pop wouldn't introduce either of those players into his system.
Houston: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't. Either way both are bad fits.
LAC: Melo would start but Rose wouldn't
Utah: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Memphis: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
OKC: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Portland: Melo would start but rose wouldn't
Easy to see why Melo has more trade value.
Are you on crack?
Many of those teams would not start Melo because their 3 man is their BEST defender.
That's fantastic. Hide him on the 4. There aren't that many scary 4s compared to 1s. You got Griffin, Milsap and Aldridge and that's about it.
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Let's say Melo and Rose are as bad of defenders as each other.
Who would Melo have to guard in the east? The worst of it is love and milsap but other than that who else? Amir Johnson? Patrick Patterson? Markief Morris? Thad Young? Taj Gibson? It's a joke it's so easy to hide Melo on those guys.
But look at rose. He's not gonna face even an average PG regardless of the matchup. Lowry, Wall, Kyrie, Thomas, Kemba are all top 5-8 PGs in the league right now. Rose got torched by Schroder yesterday. Jeff Teague and Brogdon are the best case scenarios but Rose got torched by Brogdon last week. You can't get away with Rose being a starter defensively. Melo you can get by.
Brogdon was like 5-14 and 4-9 agsainst the Knicks. Hardly being torched.
It's not just about shooting. There were multiple times I witnessed Rose get beat by Brogdon and then causing Noah to help out and Brogdon just dumping off to the open big.
Dallas did. But Melo isnt Dirk now. Melo would be a disaster at the 4. His weakside defense is atrocious and cannot protect the rim.
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Noah has really recovered in the advanced stats department. Drating down to 107 is #2 on the club, and he's a net +6 player. PER of 15.8, WS48 of .117, team best VORP and BPM on the strength of a strong DBPM. Really good rebounding and assist #s, as we'd expect.
So the "Noah is playing better" observations we're all making is backed up in the stats.
Happy to see. He's such a prideful player. Wouldn't mind having him around for a rebuild even with his overpaid contract
Good news!
No, but in all seriousness, I agree. If you're going to have an overpaid vet, let it be a fiery leader who tries on D. Although it hasnt shown up in the standings yet, I thought Minny was smart to bring in KG to help with culture and mentoring.
It's not just about shooting. There were multiple times I witnessed Rose get beat by Brogdon and then causing Noah to help out and Brogdon just dumping off to the open big.
Thats your argument for pro-Rose. How many PGs can stop him?
LOL, I cant believe the Bulls traded him for anything.
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hiding their worst defensive player at the 4?
Dallas did. But Melo isnt Dirk now. Melo would be a disaster at the 4. His weakside defense is atrocious and cannot protect the rim.
Dirk couldn't either.
Dirks averaged less boards than Melo every year since his championship year...what???
Why would Melo be relied on to protect the rim when Kevin Love is hanging out in the corner?
I'd like to know the shot attempts compared to other centers. Because if KP, as a 4, isn't defending his guy at the perimeter that means either
1)His man is clogging the lane allowing for an easy weakside block
2) his man can't shoot allowing for him to roam the paint
3) he is cheating on defense.
If the PF was extremely relied upon for rim protection you'd be shocked to find reasons why we allow 100+ points in most of our games.
Why would Melo be relied on to protect the rim when Kevin Love is hanging out in the corner?
Whos protecting the rim when TT sets a high screen? How's Melo guarding Lebron when Love sets a high screen?
I'd like to know the shot attempts compared to other centers. Because if KP, as a 4, isn't defending his guy at the perimeter that means either
1)His man is clogging the lane allowing for an easy weakside block
2) his man can't shoot allowing for him to roam the paint
3) he is cheating on defense.
If the PF was extremely relied upon for rim protection you'd be shocked to find reasons why we allow 100+ points in most of our games.
kp cheats off his man to much, knicks get killed by stretch 4s
LOL no... It's not, because Melo's post defense isn't bad.
This comment shows me just how little of the Knicks you actually watch.
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the first thing Lebron is saying is post him up and score at will.
LOL no... It's not, because Melo's post defense isn't bad.
This comment shows me just how little of the Knicks you actually watch.
Again, yes it is. First off I saw Gibson make moves on Melo where he was helpless in the post. And again, how many people in the post does he guard that is of Love's caliber? If he has trouble with Gibson, Love would eat him alive.
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the first thing Lebron is saying is post him up and score at will.
LOL no... It's not, because Melo's post defense isn't bad.
This comment shows me just how little of the Knicks you actually watch.
And Cavs basketball. If any team could get Lebron to let Kevin love be the primary offensive option that's a big way to beat them in a 7 game set.
Until Love puts up 30 in 3 quarters.
The mere fact people arguing that Melo could guard Love is laughable. Its like me saying Rose can guard Westbrook or Harden.
The mere fact people arguing that Melo could guard Love is laughable. Its like me saying Rose can guard Westbrook or Harden.
Love couldn't score on Harrison Barnes in the post in last year's finals. And if love is in the post where the fuck do you think TT's man would be? Sucking off kyrie beyond the arc?
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if Melo guarded him. Melo cannot guard Kevin Love in the post. And if he helped off of him (which he would need to do with Irving and Lebron driving), then he would hit how many 3s a game?
The mere fact people arguing that Melo could guard Love is laughable. Its like me saying Rose can guard Westbrook or Harden.
Love couldn't score on Harrison Barnes in the post in last year's finals. And if love is in the post where the fuck do you think TT's man would be? Sucking off kyrie beyond the arc?
Good thing Draymond Green guarded him when he was in the game. Barnes started off on Lebron.
And you are going to run double teams at Love forcing rotations from the weakside to leave lanes open for Lebron to cut and shooters like Smith and Kyrie wide open? Good luck with that. And why would you run double teams at Love if Melo can guard him?
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if Melo guarded him. Melo cannot guard Kevin Love in the post. And if he helped off of him (which he would need to do with Irving and Lebron driving), then he would hit how many 3s a game?
The mere fact people arguing that Melo could guard Love is laughable. Its like me saying Rose can guard Westbrook or Harden.
Love couldn't score on Harrison Barnes in the post in last year's finals. And if love is in the post where the fuck do you think TT's man would be? Sucking off kyrie beyond the arc?
Good thing Draymond Green guarded him when he was in the game. Barnes started off on Lebron.
And you are going to run double teams at Love forcing rotations from the weakside to leave lanes open for Lebron to cut and shooters like Smith and Kyrie wide open? Good luck with that. And why would you run double teams at Love if Melo can guard him?
Didn't say he'd double. But I'm just saying there would be 4 man in the paint if they ran to love in the post as their primary offensive option. It'd be easy to help and recover.
Last year Shaun Livingston was the most efficient player on post ups shooting like 45% which is pretty shitty for a 2 point shot. No team utilizes traditional post up scorers anymore outside Demarcus cousins who can continuously get to the rim every single play.