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NFT: Knicks: Melo vs. Phil?

DanMetroMan : 1/16/2017 10:59 am
-KP hopeful he can play today, Hornacek deemed him "doubtful" last night. If he's borderline then he shouldn't play.


"When asked to respond to that particular line in the article, Anthony said: If thats the case than thats whats coming from that side I guess its a conversation we should have. If they feel like my time in New York is over I guess thats a conversation we should have.

During Anthonys post-game interview session with reporters on Sunday, Anthony was informed twice that the article was not written by Jackson but instead a close friend. Anthony, though, had no trouble connecting the dots, suggesting that it is more than a coincidence that the writer who criticized him in the piece has a relationship with the Knicks team president.

Listen, Anthony said, if thats what they feelif thats whats coming from that side thats whats coming from that side. I havent thought once about that to be honest with you. I hear it. I hear all the rhetoric thats going on out there and I still come to work every day and play and bust my ass and try not to worry about it.
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Did you see this article from Matt Moore?  
Anakim : 1/17/2017 1:33 pm : link
Carmelo trades
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RE: Did you see this article from Matt Moore?  
dep026 : 1/17/2017 1:38 pm : link
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Matt Moore should find a new sport to follow. Those have to be some of the DUMBEST trade ideas I have ever seen.

The only one that may make sense is the Clippers and that only if Blake injury is worse than first thought.
God, if we could get Andre Drummond for Melo  
Anakim : 1/17/2017 1:39 pm : link
That would be amazeballs
Can I get....  
Keith : 1/17/2017 1:52 pm : link
8 trade ideas that will never have a chance of happening for $1000 alex?
RE: Can I get....  
dep026 : 1/17/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13329887 Keith said:
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8 trade ideas that will never have a chance of happening for $1000 alex?


The 9th one was melo and noah to the warriors for Thompson, Clark, Livingston, and 3 future 1sts.
Stat of the day:  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 2:21 pm : link
In 693 minutes with Joel Embiid on the floor the Sixers are +12.

In 1095 minutes with Embiid off the floor the sixers are -243 in scoring margin.
I think that Moore was illustrating  
xwreckingxcrewx : 1/17/2017 2:29 pm : link
how hard it would be to trade Melo because no team would want him and if they did, they wouldn't be able to offer the Knicks anything of value.
Courtney  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 2:31 pm : link
Lee is a dumb dumb. He posts the Dumb and Dumber stuff, denies it's about being benched and yet today told Bondy he feels he was misled/indicated he was inhappy not playing in the second half.

"After the game, Lee posted an Instagram picture of the characters from Dumb and Dumber two guys who might resemble Hornacek and assistant coach Kurt Rambis. Lee later deleted the post and explained that the pictures were meant to portray how dumb it is that the Knicks are losing (count the Daily News as skeptical.) "Posted a pic of dumb n dumber cuz that was my mood, no jab at no1," Lee wrote. "It's dumb that we have a talented team and we're in position to win games and keep losing by 1 possession.""

Jennings also complained about the rotations, hopefully Noah keeps his mouth shut or it's going to be a full mutiny by the vets.
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Anakim : 1/17/2017 2:58 pm : link
Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
Phil Jackson met with Carmelo Anthony today and asked him if he wanted to remain with the Knicks, sources told ESPN.
Marc  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 3:08 pm : link
Stein does not believe Melo will waive his NTC and that he will play out the remainder of his contract with the Knicks. He didnt say it in a fucked up way but he said melo wasnt as consumed with ring chasing as some other older players and that he could still do that once his contract is up.
RE: .  
Deej : 1/17/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13330008 Anakim said:
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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
Phil Jackson met with Carmelo Anthony today and asked him if he wanted to remain with the Knicks, sources told ESPN.


So that reporter is a LA-based Lakers mouthpiece. Phil not even hiding that he's the source. It's interesting that it's not phrased "they met and discussed Melo's future in NY". No, the impetus is all on Melo.

Now the upside of that is if you get Melo to want out, rather than you asking Melo to accept a trade, you're more likely to get a Melo who will go lots of places. Because as mentioned, the places he'd probably most like to go are tough trade partners.
As a knicks fan  
Keith : 1/17/2017 3:15 pm : link
don't you understand that it benefits the knicks to put it on melo?
RE: Marc  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13330033 DanMetroMan said:
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Stein does not believe Melo will waive his NTC and that he will play out the remainder of his contract with the Knicks. He didnt say it in a fucked up way but he said melo wasnt as consumed with ring chasing as some other older players and that he could still do that once his contract is up.


Hope that's not true. I've wanted to trade Melo for 3 years now. Don't tease me and then let nothing happen!
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nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13330034 Deej said:
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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
Phil Jackson met with Carmelo Anthony today and asked him if he wanted to remain with the Knicks, sources told ESPN.



So that reporter is a LA-based Lakers mouthpiece. Phil not even hiding that he's the source. It's interesting that it's not phrased "they met and discussed Melo's future in NY". No, the impetus is all on Melo.

Now the upside of that is if you get Melo to want out, rather than you asking Melo to accept a trade, you're more likely to get a Melo who will go lots of places. Because as mentioned, the places he'd probably most like to go are tough trade partners.


This sets it up for Phil to try and trade melo and turn it into we asked melo and he agreed if they do trade him..Phil obviously using shelbourne as a mouthpiece...
Melo doesn't care about winning  
Keith : 1/17/2017 3:18 pm : link
he's happy losing and collecting and keeping his life.
During Melo's FA  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 3:22 pm : link
I got bashed for suggesting to do Melo for Mirotic, McDermott, Gibson and a first rounder or two and now we are trying to find a scenario to get any recognizable player under the age of 25. I'd still do that trade even minus the first rounders. (Sorry Dep!).

I still think washington is the spot that works the best fit wise and is one of the better cities to live in this country. Only issue is the fans there don't give a fuck about their sports teams.
You got bashed on bbi?  
Keith : 1/17/2017 3:23 pm : link
I think most on bbi would have agreed.
.  
Anakim : 1/17/2017 3:23 pm : link
Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
One source described the meeting as far more contentious than previous sit downs between Jackson and Anthony.
Sure sounds like  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 3:26 pm : link
This is going to end in a trade..

Trade deadline should be interesting
RE: You got bashed on bbi?  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13330073 Keith said:
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I think most on bbi would have agreed.


Lol. Well Melo averaged like 28 ppg the season prior to his FA. I obviously didn't think that's what Melo's value equated to at the time but given the direction we needed to head in that it would be the correct move to make.

Now who knows whether or not we might've gotten KP.

But please Phil if you get him to waive his NTC then this will be the first time this organization will have realized the proper direction to build a team.
I'd love to know if Phil ever truly wanted to keep Melo.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2017 3:31 pm : link
In all their years together he's never given him any type of endorsement. Even after last season, when Melo played pretty decent all-around team ball, I thought Phil might throw him a compliment. Instead, he essentially said the team played some of its best basketball without him.
RE: Sure sounds like  
Anakim : 1/17/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13330086 nygiants16 said:
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This is going to end in a trade..

Trade deadline should be interesting


We can only hope
I think a trade is inevitable, too.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2017 3:41 pm : link
The NY media will actually be our ally here - now that Melo let the cat out of the bag regarding possibly waiving the no-trade, they're gonna do whatever they can to make this as toxic as possible.
Seems like  
elisha2014 : 1/17/2017 3:41 pm : link
the inevitable bad trade is coming. If he's going to the Clippers all they will get is a bad 1st round pick and your choice of JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford or Austin Rivers. AWESOME
Yes, but our own draft position will improve this year and next.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2017 3:44 pm : link
Rev up the tank, boys.
They'll dump Melo  
elisha2014 : 1/17/2017 3:47 pm : link
for spare parts and then fail miserably to put a decent roster around KP until his inevitable big man injuries start to happen. It's just too easy to predict. rinse, wash and repeat.
Bondy in Isola mode:  
Enzo : 1/17/2017 3:47 pm : link
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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 5h5 hours ago
Phil Jackson's resume with trades is beyond abysmal. You trust him to get anything for Melo? Nah.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 3:52 pm : link
puke adding Austin Rivers. He has 2 years remaining at 11.8 and 12.7 (2nd year is a player option). He sucks and would just be taking up cap space. Redick is 32 and expiring. At least get Diamond Stone, Brice Johnson and some picks
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 3:55 pm : link
Frank IsolaVerified account
‏@FisolaNYDN
Carmelo Anthony informed Phil Jackson today that he wants to remain with the Knicks, the Daily News has learned. Story coming.
Isola  
elisha2014 : 1/17/2017 3:56 pm : link
just tweeted that Melo informed Phil he wants to remain with the Knicks.
welp.  
elisha2014 : 1/17/2017 3:56 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 15s16 seconds ago
Source: Carmelo Anthony reaffirmed his desire to stay with Knicks in meeting with Phil Jackson today, league source tells @TheVertical.
Looiks  
DanMetroMan : 1/17/2017 3:58 pm : link
like Stein was right
So Phil leaks his info to Shelbourne,  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2017 3:59 pm : link
Melo leaks his info to Isola, and the message is the same. Now we have to wonder if it's over with, or they're just getting their stories straight prior to a trade to protect Melo's "brand."
RE: So Phil leaks his info to Shelbourne,  
Deej : 1/17/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13330141 bceagle05 said:
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Melo leaks his info to Isola, and the message is the same. Now we have to wonder if it's over with, or they're just getting their stories straight prior to a trade to protect Melo's "brand."


Each may be getting their story out there, but I very much doubt that they're co-managing a message. Nobody trusts Phil on messaging.
might be better  
Enzo : 1/17/2017 4:03 pm : link
for everyone involved to sit tight for now and revisit this over the summer. By then maybe he changes his mind...and it should be easier to move him.
Yeah, just wishful thinking on my part.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2017 4:03 pm : link
Melo and his lazy ass enjoys having April, May and June off every year I guess.
I'm not expecting Melo to waive his NTC at this point  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 4:21 pm : link
Just get as much as you can out of everyone else. Get a couple of 2nd rounders for Lee, Jennings, O'Quinn, holiday, whatever. Let rose walk. Don't fucking max Jute Holiday. Let Ron baker run point or sign yogi Ferrell to do so. If Melo won't leave then don't let it prevent us from heading in the same direction.
RE: I'm not expecting Melo to waive his NTC at this point  
Deej : 1/17/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13330166 giantsfan44ab said:
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Just get as much as you can out of everyone else. Get a couple of 2nd rounders for Lee, Jennings, O'Quinn, holiday, whatever. Let rose walk. Don't fucking max Jute Holiday. Let Ron baker run point or sign yogi Ferrell to do so. If Melo won't leave then don't let it prevent us from heading in the same direction.


This is a really important point. Melo not waiving his NTC is his right. He bargained for it. But we dont need to commit to giving him a veteran playoff roster. We need to rebuild. If we cant get top 5 picks because Melo prevents us from sucking super hard, so be it. We hopefully have one franchise piece already, and that is the hard thing to land. Use mid/late lottery picks on wing athletes, develop KP and Willy, and sign some Euro vets. Then free agency 2019-2020 you hope to make a splash. Will be harder with the new CBA, but who knows -- maybe we'll have enough for a sign an trade.

We are one home run draft pick away from having a title contending twosome. I really believe it. It's not so outlandish to think we could get lucky again.
RE: Looiks  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/17/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13330140 DanMetroMan said:
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like Stein was right


SAS said this morning Melo wasn't interested in leaving because he and his family LOVE NY.
RE: RE: I'm not expecting Melo to waive his NTC at this point  
Enzo : 1/17/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13330173 Deej said:
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Just get as much as you can out of everyone else. Get a couple of 2nd rounders for Lee, Jennings, O'Quinn, holiday, whatever. Let rose walk. Don't fucking max Jute Holiday. Let Ron baker run point or sign yogi Ferrell to do so. If Melo won't leave then don't let it prevent us from heading in the same direction.



This is a really important point. Melo not waiving his NTC is his right. He bargained for it. But we dont need to commit to giving him a veteran playoff roster. We need to rebuild. If we cant get top 5 picks because Melo prevents us from sucking super hard, so be it. We hopefully have one franchise piece already, and that is the hard thing to land. Use mid/late lottery picks on wing athletes, develop KP and Willy, and sign some Euro vets. Then free agency 2019-2020 you hope to make a splash. Will be harder with the new CBA, but who knows -- maybe we'll have enough for a sign an trade.

We are one home run draft pick away from having a title contending twosome. I really believe it. It's not so outlandish to think we could get lucky again.

agree with all of this but what are the chances Phil executes this plan? He's an old man who's obviously not long for this job. I'm thinking he continues to try and "contend" which means more of the same moves many of us here have been criticizing.
Theres a  
Keith : 1/17/2017 4:41 pm : link
shocker
RE: RE: RE: I'm not expecting Melo to waive his NTC at this point  
Deej : 1/17/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13330182 Enzo said:
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agree with all of this but what are the chances Phil executes this plan? He's an old man who's obviously not long for this job. I'm thinking he continues to try and "contend" which means more of the same moves many of us here have been criticizing.


Well if he thinks he can put together a contender in the next few years he is delusional. And ipso facto the wrong man for the job.
RE: RE: Looiks  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13330174 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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like Stein was right



SAS said this morning Melo wasn't interested in leaving because he and his family LOVE NY.


Then trade him to BKN. The nets can do the rest of the EC a favor and ensure the Celtics don't build another dynasty after the Cavs are done dominating the east. He won't have to move his family. Just an extra 20 minute subway ride.
Just keep losing.  
bceagle05 : 1/17/2017 4:48 pm : link
18-24 with a tough back-to-back coming up. In all likelihood we'll be 18-26 by Friday.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not expecting Melo to waive his NTC at this point  
Enzo : 1/17/2017 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13330195 Deej said:
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agree with all of this but what are the chances Phil executes this plan? He's an old man who's obviously not long for this job. I'm thinking he continues to try and "contend" which means more of the same moves many of us here have been criticizing.



Well if he thinks he can put together a contender in the next few years he is delusional. And ipso facto the wrong man for the job.

he's been delusional since he got here - I have no reason to think he's all of a sudden going to wake up and realize his approach has lacking.
RE: Just keep losing.  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13330203 bceagle05 said:
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18-24 with a tough back-to-back coming up. In all likelihood we'll be 18-26 by Friday.


somehwo they are going to win both..
Melo does not care about winning.  
Keith : 1/17/2017 4:53 pm : link
He lives a great life and makes oodles of money. He's never played like he cares about winning and he doesn't act like he cares about winning. That's his prerogative and Phil messed up resigning this guy.
Why don't the nets want Melo?  
giantsfan44ab : 1/17/2017 4:55 pm : link
They don't own their pick these next two seasons right? That's when Melo hits FA. I'd take RHJ for Melo at this point (nets Want to trade him). Shit give them Rose, lee, Jennings or KOQ if they want while we're at it.
minnesota is shopping rubio  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 4:56 pm : link
willing to attach mohammed to get him out
RE: Melo does not care about winning.  
Enzo : 1/17/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13330211 Keith said:
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He lives a great life and makes oodles of money. He's never played like he cares about winning and he doesn't act like he cares about winning. That's his prerogative and Phil messed up resigning this guy.

keeping him here in NY wasn't the problem. It was giving him the NTC and the trade kicker and the ETO along with the big contract. And yes, he took slightly less than the max, but it was a relatively insignificant amount.



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