I had a big problem with McCarthy's call near the end

And poster that don't know you have to set up plays and can not throw it on every down.

Name the kicker, please, so Reese can go and get him.

His defense couldn't stop shit. He made the right call because they most likely lose otherwise.

In comment 13328341 ColHowPepper said:

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is set out above and McCarthy went with it, and Pack wins, sounds like so much of the carping against BM's decisions with his impaired team

No carping from me..As I said in the OP, I was incredulous BEFORE the kick was attempted..

That whole series before the field goal was terrible. He was coaching not to win before he kicked it. The field goal was a no brainier when he chose to kick.

He needed 7 and when he got into field goal range he was playing for the field goal. Only way you settle for 3 is if you get stuck in a situation you have to kick or if you milk the clock and know for sure it will be the last play of the game.

I wasn't sure Crosby ever successfully kicked it from 57 yards out before..All I know is I would never have chanced that kick at that point in the game and give the Cowboys the ball at their own 40..Gassed or not. i would have preferred Dallas take over inside their own 10-15 (I realize they could have gotten a TB and started on the 20, but 20 yards is still 20 yards with time dwindling down)..

But, as I said, most of you disagree with me, so there's that..😎

He coached like he was scared shit he looked scared to me. The team played scared and Rodgers bailed them out along w Crosby. I'm not a big fan of McCarthy especially in big games.

Chicken comes home to roost in Atlanta this Sunday. Falcons will run and pass all over the packers and Atlanta's defense will do enough to help them win.

which it was, I would make that call also. IT was playing for the win and Crosby hasn't let him down in over 2 seasons.

the way Dallas was playing on offense / how bad GB D was playing I would have sooner gone for it than punt that ball

in doors.

As it was happening I turned to my son and said that's "a lot of guts. If he misses the Cowboys are practically in FG range for the win." Ballsy call that turned out well for GB, but I, too, was questioning it at the time.

In comment 13328239 area junc said:

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I thought the 4th down call against NYG was a horrible decision (A-going for it at all, and B-calling a slow-developing lateral run play against a stacked front?). He called that same play again, and DAL stuffed it for a 3 yard loss that almost knocked them out of FG range (on the drive Crosby hit the 57 yarder). You wonder what they would look like without Rodgers being the best QB ever.

Best QB ever? Ever?

I think Rodgers is fantastic, but I would stop short of the best ever superlative.

Playing to win. The bigger question was the amount of time they left on the clock for Dallas.

Being in the building, momentum was completely with Dallas, the place was going crazy, and there was no doubt in anyones mind that Dallas was going to drive to at least attempt a FG. The question was could GB stop them from scoring a TD. It all added up to attempting the kick. Reminded me of the 2007 Tynes decision in OT.

Oh and there is a reason he is standing on the sideline making these decisions and we are all writing our opinions in the corner forum!

Clearly he felt it was a makeable kick. he coached to win and didn't coach to lose.

he must have seen enough pre-game kicks to know his range.

Green Bay is rolling...

MM knew his defense could not stop Dallas and viewed this kick as his chance to win. Obviously he was right because Dallas went right down the field in seconds and if they had more time,easily would have won the game.

I was shocked they didn't punt the football there... good for him, though.

I'm sure it was a risk, however It was worth taking it with their kicker. We kicked a 47 yarder in subzero temps to beat Green Bay in 2007. That was a risk too, but sometimes you just have to go with your gut.

Dallas scored on 3/4 possessions in the 2nd half.

Prescott was starting to throw the ball downfield for 20 yard chunks, destroying the GB secondary.

Mccarthy obviously realized that the odds of preventing a 60 yard drive by Dallas was smaller than Crosby hitting a 57 yard field goal. It was by far the right decision IMO.

In comment 13328778 huygens20 said:

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Dallas scored on 3/4 possessions in the 2nd half. Prescott was starting to throw the ball downfield for 20 yard chunks, destroying the GB secondary. Mccarthy obviously realized that the odds of preventing a 60 yard drive by Dallas was smaller than Crosby hitting a 57 yard field goal. It was by far the right decision IMO.

By far?

You end it if you can. If it goes to OT, Dallas has all the MO and probably wins.

He made the correct call.

In comment 13328460 djm said:

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He coached like he was scared shit he looked scared to me. The team played scared and Rodgers bailed them out along w Crosby. I'm not a big fan of McCarthy especially in big games. Chicken comes home to roost in Atlanta this Sunday. Falcons will run and pass all over the packers and Atlanta's defense will do enough to help them win.

I don't think kicking was coaching scared at all.

I thought the smart and safe move was to go for it on 4th. Positions like that are why coaching is so hard. We all argue with the benefit of hindsight. A miss there and the fans are burning him in effigy today. The kick squeaks through and he has big balls.

In comment 13328781 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13328778 huygens20 said: Quote: Dallas scored on 3/4 possessions in the 2nd half. Prescott was starting to throw the ball downfield for 20 yard chunks, destroying the GB secondary. Mccarthy obviously realized that the odds of preventing a 60 yard drive by Dallas was smaller than Crosby hitting a 57 yard field goal. It was by far the right decision IMO. By far?

Easily imo.

Think about this:

What is the difference in win probability for GB when:

Dallas ball, 1st 10 at DAL 40 with 1:33 /// score tied
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Dallas ball 1st 10 at DAL 10 with 1:33 /// score tied

i guarantee if you plug it into a simulator the difference wont be as big as you think.

In comment 13328789 Ron Johnson 30 said:

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I thought the smart and safe move was to go for it on 4th. Positions like that are why coaching is so hard. We all argue with the benefit of hindsight. A miss there and the fans are burning him in effigy today. The kick squeaks through and he has big balls.

another element is that we have no idea how far out crosby is comfortable. unless someone was there pregame or mccarthy said it in the postgame plainly, we just dont know. thats another big factor.

Bailey is obviously comfortable hitting 60 yarders.

In comment 13328802 huygens20 said:

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In comment 13328789 Ron Johnson 30 said: Quote: I thought the smart and safe move was to go for it on 4th. Positions like that are why coaching is so hard. We all argue with the benefit of hindsight. A miss there and the fans are burning him in effigy today. The kick squeaks through and he has big balls. another element is that we have no idea how far out crosby is comfortable. unless someone was there pregame or mccarthy said it in the postgame plainly, we just dont know. thats another big factor. Bailey is obviously comfortable hitting 60 yarders.

What is the farthest Kick Crosby has made before yesterday? Anyone know?

you convinced me. At the time, without knowing anything about the kicker, I was thinking put the ball in Rodgers hand. A miss and it's over

In comment 13328460 djm said:

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He coached like he was scared shit he looked scared to me. The team played scared and Rodgers bailed them out along w Crosby. I'm not a big fan of McCarthy especially in big games. Chicken comes home to roost in Atlanta this Sunday. Falcons will run and pass all over the packers and Atlanta's defense will do enough to help them win.

This guy has coached in how many playoff games? And you think he was terrified, maybe about his D being on the field too long..

But he's a Super Bowl winning Coach and I'm sitting here typing on a Message Board

In comment 13329239 Elisthebest said:

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But he's a Super Bowl winning Coach and I'm sitting here typing on a Message Board

Which is what we ALL should keep in mind when we criticize

In comment 13328319 Dry Lightning said:

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posted above.....he knows his kicker. I just don't understand how we can not find a damn kicker to consistently hit the long ones. We have NEVER had that. Dan Bailey is such a weapon for the Cowboys. We have got to get a kicker like that.

Legatron (Greg Zuerlein) is an unrestricted FA this off-season. Sign him. He'd fit the bill. Guy just turned 29, so he's still relatively young for a kicker.

Crosby has a great leg. I hated the 2nd down play call prior to the FG attempt though, stringing Tye Montgomery outside for the 5 yard loss. If you want to play it safe, keep the play between the tackles to minimize any potential loss. That could have been a deciding play had Crosby missed the kick.

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Crosby has a great leg. I hated the 2nd down play call prior to the FG attempt though, stringing Tye Montgomery outside for the 5 yard loss. If you want to play it safe, keep the play between the tackles to minimize any potential loss. That could have been a deciding play had Crosby missed the kick.

Definitely, second down call was horrible......put the ball in your best player's hands, that's Rodgers. Check downs available, plus, he can even scramble for positive yardage in those situations.............

In comment 13328237 weeg in the bronx said:

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And I am sure they assessed his distance during warm ups given field, weather etc.

I thought Crosby was something like 0-for-6 from beyond 50 yards in 4th quarters/OTs of tied games in his career?

in that building is not that difficult.

Have to kick it there. Even if you pin them deep Cowboys still likely get into Field Goal Range and win it in regulation

relative to most stadiums, of course it's a difficult kick but distance 100% was not going to be an issue

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In comment 13328281 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: was on 2nd and 8 before the first FG he comes out in essentially a goalline set and runs the ball for a four yard loss. Why have Aaron Rodgers if you're not going to throw there. I don't agree with that specific play, but the run play call was sound, he wanted to run the clock down so he'd make that FG attempt with no time left or force Dallas to use all their TO's losing 5 yards there forced them to pass the ball the next play. If that run was positive at all, they'd run it again on 3rd down and then kick a 51 yard FG max and probably win the game 31 - 28. and left Dallas with 1 TO.

If he wanted to run the clock out and kick a field goal then throwing on 2nd and 3rd down was the call, not running the ball. You get 1 first down there and they can basically run the entire clock out and kick it.

it on 2nd and 3rd down and kicking the field goal still leaves the Cowboys with about 130 to go getting the ball back on their own 25 yard line down 3.

Which was more than enough time for them to get into field goal range.

Hell they got the ball back down 3 on their own 25 and it only took them 49 seconds total to get into field goal range without using any timeouts.

McCarthy is just lucky the Cowboys were dumb enough to spike the ball after Beasleys 1st down catch that put them in field goal range. If they run a play instead of spiking it at the very best the game is going to overtime, possibly even ending in regulation with a Cowboys win.

McCarthy's decision making was a train wreck at the end of that game. He got bailed out by the best QB in the league and equally bad end of game management by Garrett

In comment 13329512 MookGiants said:

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In comment 13328285 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13328281 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: was on 2nd and 8 before the first FG he comes out in essentially a goalline set and runs the ball for a four yard loss. Why have Aaron Rodgers if you're not going to throw there. I don't agree with that specific play, but the run play call was sound, he wanted to run the clock down so he'd make that FG attempt with no time left or force Dallas to use all their TO's losing 5 yards there forced them to pass the ball the next play. If that run was positive at all, they'd run it again on 3rd down and then kick a 51 yard FG max and probably win the game 31 - 28. and left Dallas with 1 TO. If he wanted to run the clock out and kick a field goal then throwing on 2nd and 3rd down was the call, not running the ball. You get 1 first down there and they can basically run the entire clock out and kick it.

Unless you throw an incompletion then they don't need to use a TO. You run the ball to force them to use their TO's and then throw on 3rd to "end the game". Which as we know was incomplete and made much harder as a 3rd and 13 b/c they lost 5 yards on 2nd down.

If Dallas didn't use that second TO, they probably don't spike the ball and have at least a chance at the GW TD instead of just two downs to pick up 10 yards, and the way the GB defense was playing I'd feel fortunate if I'm GB that Dallas didn't get another down and chance at picking up the 1st.

he's 28/54 all-time from 50+, and 14/21 in the last 4 years (he had an awful 2/9 in 2012). He was 0/2 from 50+ in the playoffs, both kicks were before 2012 and were indoors.

is not a big deal at all, they were going to have plenty of time to get into field goal range if they got the ball back with the way Packers defense was playing.

You give yourself two chances to end the game by throwing it twice. And you certainly don't take all of your receivers off of the field on 2nd down and telegraph that you are going to run the ball.

2 chances to pick up a first down with his arm chances are the Cowboys are not getting the ball back and lose on a last second field goal.

He should have been worried about getting the 1st down and ending the game that way instead of trying to do 2 things at once. If he had just a decent QB I could see doing what he did, but not with the best QB in the world

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is not a big deal at all, they were going to have plenty of time to get into field goal range if they got the ball back with the way Packers defense was playing. You give yourself two chances to end the game by throwing it twice. And you certainly don't take all of your receivers off of the field on 2nd down and telegraph that you are going to run the ball.

Ok, Mike McCarthy and I run the ball on 1st and 2nd down, you throw it all three downs.

One of the three of us is a NFL head coach, and it's not you.

LOL.

Not being a dick, but I believe McCarthy did the right thing, other than that gimmicky run, I'd have run into the line, it was a 51 yard FG. Dallas with no timeouts scoring a go ahead TD was less likely. GB IMO lucked out that Dallas didn't take their final TO instead of clocking the ball.

Garrett made the questionable call IMO.

on Garrett. Did he tell him to do that?

We all agree clocking the ball was not a great play, but that's the risk you run with a rookie QB in a divisional round playoff game.

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on Garrett. Did he tell him to do that? We all agree clocking the ball was not a great play, but that's the risk you run with a rookie QB in a divisional round playoff game.

They were discussing on Sirius yesterday(which was my thought even before hearing it, to be honest) that a rookie QB has all he can do to master his craft and that there is no question in their minds that someone was yelling into his headset with, "spike the ball, spike it!" Rodgers, Brady, Eli etc., have the situational experience to determine on their own when to do certain things on the field mistakes at times notwithstanding

In comment 13329572 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13329553 MookGiants said: Quote: is not a big deal at all, they were going to have plenty of time to get into field goal range if they got the ball back with the way Packers defense was playing. You give yourself two chances to end the game by throwing it twice. And you certainly don't take all of your receivers off of the field on 2nd down and telegraph that you are going to run the ball. Ok, Mike McCarthy and I run the ball on 1st and 2nd down, you throw it all three downs. One of the three of us is a NFL head coach, and it's not you. LOL. Not being a dick, but I believe McCarthy did the right thing, other than that gimmicky run, I'd have run into the line, it was a 51 yard FG. Dallas with no timeouts scoring a go ahead TD was less likely. GB IMO lucked out that Dallas didn't take their final TO instead of clocking the ball. Garrett made the questionable call IMO.

What do you think Bill Belichick does in that spot? Think he runs it twice with Brady standing pack there? Of course not. Mike Tomlin doesn't, either. Many coaches don't if they have Aaron Rodgers standing back there and only need one more first down to have a chance to end the game with a field goal. McCarthy took the game out of his best players hand and only got bailed out because the Cowboys didn't manage the clock properly

at worst the game is going to overtime.

The way he played it, he brought losing in regulation into play in multiple scenarios.

Of course he didn't know they would lose 5 yards on 2nd down, but as soon as they lined up you knew exactly what they were doing, and the Cowboys clearly did.

If you want to run the ball, give Rodgers a run pass option. He can scramble for 5 yards in his sleep.

would do probably run too, maybe even sneak Brady, Tomlin depends on the defense, probably depends on the D for both of them actually.

I think they both trust their QB's enough (and maybe McCarthy did too) to give them a run or pass and let them audible based on the D personnel and formation.

it's pure speculation. What we do know is what the Packers and McCarthy did and I have no issue with it.

only problem I have is with the 2nd down actual play call, not the run/pass decision.

I won't kill him for it. You still have 2 downs to get 10 yards, and Dallas was moving the ball pretty effortlessly at that point. If they get the first down, that TO would have come in handy.

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would do probably run too, maybe even sneak Brady, Tomlin depends on the defense, probably depends on the D for both of them actually. I think they both trust their QB's enough (and maybe McCarthy did too) to give them a run or pass and let them audible based on the D personnel and formation. it's pure speculation. What we do know is what the Packers and McCarthy did and I have no issue with it. only problem I have is with the 2nd down actual play call, not the run/pass decision.

Tomlin depends on the defense?

He was up 2 points on Sunday night and the Chiefs with 0 timeouts and he threw the ball on 2nd and 3rd down so he could end the game.