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I had a big problem with McCarthy's call near the end

Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 11:41 am
of the 4th..

You're at the Cowboys' 40, heading to OT tied..It's 4th down and instead of possibly pinning Dallas deep with a punt and almost assuring a crack at the W in OT, you kick an extremely difficult 57 yard FG, which if missed, gives the Cowboys the ball at their own 40? Sure, if you had a kicker with Bailey's leg you might consider it. Crosby has been a good K for you through the years, but a 57 yarder?

McCarthy has made some questionable calls through the years as most HCs have, but before the kick was made, I was like, seriously? You're going to give the Cowboys, who you couldn't really stop after being up 21-3, a shorter field with little time remaining?

Yes, he made the kick..I think MM escaped a big gaffe, imo..

Agree? Disagree?
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He knows his kicker  
weeg in the bronx : 1/16/2017 11:48 am : link
And I am sure they assessed his distance during warm ups given field, weather etc.
his play calling is weird sometimes  
area junc : 1/16/2017 11:48 am : link
I thought the 4th down call against NYG was a horrible decision (A-going for it at all, and B-calling a slow-developing lateral run play against a stacked front?). He called that same play again, and DAL stuffed it for a 3 yard loss that almost knocked them out of FG range (on the drive Crosby hit the 57 yarder).

You wonder what they would look like without Rodgers being the best QB ever.
RE: He knows his kicker  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13328237 weeg in the bronx said:
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And I am sure they assessed his distance during warm ups given field, weather etc.


It's still a kick to determine your season. Why chance a FG at that range which is missed far more than it's made and throw in the pressure you don't come close to experiencing during warmups
Playing to win  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 11:53 am : link
vs playing not to lose.

I like the gamble, and I can live with the consequences.

with the Packers banged up secondary I'd take that chance every time (though he obviously had to feel his kicker had a chance at making it).
His  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 11:53 am : link
Defense was gassed. His secondary ripped apart and in Dallas.

He went for the win. He is a great coach and the Packers are lucky to have him. I hope Mac is 1/2 as good.
He Kicked it to win it  
Rafflee : 1/16/2017 11:55 am : link
He knew they could not stop Dallas---whether a 50n yard drive or a 90 yard drive.

McCarthy guessed/hoped that getting a lead outweighed field position.

He's always been an agressive coach in those situatiuons---like most great coaches.
Indoors (was roof shut?)....  
BillKo : 1/16/2017 11:58 am : link
kicker has the leg...

I think you have to go ahead and try it. You play to win.

Weather conditions otherwise may have made you punt....put your indoors, it's perfect conditions.
If he's McAdoo's mentor... that worries me  
GloryDayz : 1/16/2017 11:58 am : link
GB had the opportunity to put Dallas away before the half and let them back in it. Despite having Rogers, a very good pass protecting OL and a decent receiving corp despite the injuries, they couldn't deal with Dallas' blitzes. And defensively, some very questionable decision... leaving Dez with single coverage, playing soft on 3rd & 14...
Crosby  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 11:59 am : link
Kicked that ball straight through the heart of Jerry Jones.
Going for First Down  
clatterbuck : 1/16/2017 11:59 am : link
might have been a better call...if you don't make it, you save 7-yards in field position.
Kick  
stretch234 : 1/16/2017 12:00 pm : link
I thought it was a decision that could go either way. I think he knew his defense was not stopping Dallas wether they pinned them or not, so take the chance on the lead

he would rather have it on his kicker than defense
RE: If he's McAdoo's mentor... that worries me  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13328266 GloryDayz said:
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GB had the opportunity to put Dallas away before the half and let them back in it. Despite having Rogers, a very good pass protecting OL and a decent receiving corp despite the injuries, they couldn't deal with Dallas' blitzes. And defensively, some very questionable decision... leaving Dez with single coverage, playing soft on 3rd & 14...


The Dallas team was healthy at home.
GreenBay was missing their 1 WR and RB and at times LT.
And still won. Some of you just don't get it.
The bigger travesty  
Old Dirty Beckham : 1/16/2017 12:04 pm : link
was on 2nd and 8 before the first FG he comes out in essentially a goalline set and runs the ball for a four yard loss.

Why have Aaron Rodgers if you're not going to throw there.
RE: The bigger travesty  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13328281 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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was on 2nd and 8 before the first FG he comes out in essentially a goalline set and runs the ball for a four yard loss.

Why have Aaron Rodgers if you're not going to throw there.


I don't agree with that specific play, but the run play call was sound, he wanted to run the clock down so he'd make that FG attempt with no time left or force Dallas to use all their TO's losing 5 yards there forced them to pass the ball the next play.

If that run was positive at all, they'd run it again on 3rd down and then kick a 51 yard FG max and probably win the game 31 - 28.
and left Dallas with 1 TO.
PJ  
Old Dirty Beckham : 1/16/2017 12:17 pm : link
A first down makes it so GB can kneel is and then kick it with no time remaining.

I take my chances with 12 throwing twice needing 8 yards.
RE: The bigger travesty  
Carson53 : 1/16/2017 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13328281 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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was on 2nd and 8 before the first FG he comes out in essentially a goalline set and runs the ball for a four yard loss.

Why have Aaron Rodgers if you're not going to throw there.
.

I thought they should have had an audible there, didn't
like the call. Rodgers came thru at the end. He does
at least one thing every time I watch him play,
and I say....no other QB can make that throw or play.
That was an amazing throw at the end, rolling to his left,
throwing across his body, just wow. He throws a dime,
that was perfectly placed.
I thought the same thing but as someone  
Dry Lightning : 1/16/2017 12:20 pm : link
posted above.....he knows his kicker. I just don't understand how we can not find a damn kicker to consistently hit the long ones. We have NEVER had that. Dan Bailey is such a weapon for the Cowboys. We have got to get a kicker like that.
ODB  
SLIM_ : 1/16/2017 12:21 pm : link
Yes. That was a colossally bad call. Not to run but just the formation. You have the best quarterback in the game and you take it out of his hands. The kick even getting 5 more yards wasn't a gimme but I understand wasting the clock out because Dallas was going to score (like they did) if they got the ball back.

My thoughts would be spread them out at least a little - 3 wide and maybe let Rogers run it. With Dallas having success blitzing them, you may not want Rogers to start back in the shotgun. Spread them out and you could run a quick quarterback sneak.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13328309 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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A first down makes it so GB can kneel is and then kick it with no time remaining.

I take my chances with 12 throwing twice needing 8 yards.

I might too but I get running the ball there.
the better side of that debate  
ColHowPepper : 1/16/2017 12:29 pm : link
is set out above and McCarthy went with it, and Pack wins, sounds like so much of the carping against BM's decisions with his impaired team
Monday morning Quarterbacking  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 12:43 pm : link
And poster that don't know you have to set up plays and can not throw it on every down.
Dry Lightning  
CT Charlie : 1/16/2017 12:54 pm : link
Name the kicker, please, so Reese can go and get him.
His OT record is atrocious  
bradshaw44 : 1/16/2017 12:58 pm : link
His defense couldn't stop shit. He made the right call because they most likely lose otherwise.
RE: the better side of that debate  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13328341 ColHowPepper said:
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is set out above and McCarthy went with it, and Pack wins, sounds like so much of the carping against BM's decisions with his impaired team


No carping from me..As I said in the OP, I was incredulous BEFORE the kick was attempted..
Ugh he was forced into the field goal  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/16/2017 1:12 pm : link
That whole series before the field goal was terrible. He was coaching not to win before he kicked it. The field goal was a no brainier when he chose to kick.

He needed 7 and when he got into field goal range he was playing for the field goal. Only way you settle for 3 is if you get stuck in a situation you have to kick or if you milk the clock and know for sure it will be the last play of the game.
I guess I'm in the minority here.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 1:14 pm : link
I wasn't sure Crosby ever successfully kicked it from 57 yards out before..All I know is I would never have chanced that kick at that point in the game and give the Cowboys the ball at their own 40..Gassed or not. i would have preferred Dallas take over inside their own 10-15 (I realize they could have gotten a TB and started on the 20, but 20 yards is still 20 yards with time dwindling down)..

But, as I said, most of you disagree with me, so there's that..😎
McCarthy was terrified in the 4th quarter  
djm : 1/16/2017 1:40 pm : link
He coached like he was scared shit he looked scared to me. The team played scared and Rodgers bailed them out along w Crosby. I'm not a big fan of McCarthy especially in big games.

Chicken comes home to roost in Atlanta this Sunday. Falcons will run and pass all over the packers and Atlanta's defense will do enough to help them win.
As long as they felt that was on the edge of Crosby's range  
Matt M. : 1/16/2017 1:46 pm : link
which it was, I would make that call also. IT was playing for the win and Crosby hasn't let him down in over 2 seasons.
I think it's crazy to not kick the FG there  
NoGainDayne : 1/16/2017 1:59 pm : link
the way Dallas was playing on offense / how bad GB D was playing I would have sooner gone for it than punt that ball
its  
mdthedream : 1/16/2017 2:05 pm : link
in doors.
Bruce --  
tony stg : 1/16/2017 2:12 pm : link
As it was happening I turned to my son and said that's "a lot of guts. If he misses the Cowboys are practically in FG range for the win." Ballsy call that turned out well for GB, but I, too, was questioning it at the time.

RE: his play calling is weird sometimes  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/16/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13328239 area junc said:
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I thought the 4th down call against NYG was a horrible decision (A-going for it at all, and B-calling a slow-developing lateral run play against a stacked front?). He called that same play again, and DAL stuffed it for a 3 yard loss that almost knocked them out of FG range (on the drive Crosby hit the 57 yarder).

You wonder what they would look like without Rodgers being the best QB ever.

Best QB ever? Ever?

I think Rodgers is fantastic, but I would stop short of the best ever superlative.
They Had To Attempt That Field Goal  
Bernie : 1/16/2017 3:18 pm : link
Playing to win. The bigger question was the amount of time they left on the clock for Dallas.

Being in the building, momentum was completely with Dallas, the place was going crazy, and there was no doubt in anyones mind that Dallas was going to drive to at least attempt a FG. The question was could GB stop them from scoring a TD. It all added up to attempting the kick. Reminded me of the 2007 Tynes decision in OT.

Oh and there is a reason he is standing on the sideline making these decisions and we are all writing our opinions in the corner forum!
Kick was made  
djstat : 1/16/2017 3:23 pm : link
Clearly he felt it was a makeable kick. he coached to win and didn't coach to lose.
I thought it was a bad decision as well but  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2017 3:26 pm : link
he must have seen enough pre-game kicks to know his range.

Green Bay is rolling...
Did the right thing  
Marty866b : 1/16/2017 3:29 pm : link
MM knew his defense could not stop Dallas and viewed this kick as his chance to win. Obviously he was right because Dallas went right down the field in seconds and if they had more time,easily would have won the game.
I actually agree  
Mike in Long Beach : 1/16/2017 3:39 pm : link
I was shocked they didn't punt the football there... good for him, though.
Inside with no wind......  
Simms11 : 1/16/2017 3:50 pm : link
I'm sure it was a risk, however It was worth taking it with their kicker. We kicked a 47 yarder in subzero temps to beat Green Bay in 2007. That was a risk too, but sometimes you just have to go with your gut.
this is crazy  
huygens20 : 1/16/2017 4:26 pm : link
Dallas scored on 3/4 possessions in the 2nd half.

Prescott was starting to throw the ball downfield for 20 yard chunks, destroying the GB secondary.

Mccarthy obviously realized that the odds of preventing a 60 yard drive by Dallas was smaller than Crosby hitting a 57 yard field goal. It was by far the right decision IMO.
RE: this is crazy  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13328778 huygens20 said:
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Dallas scored on 3/4 possessions in the 2nd half.

Prescott was starting to throw the ball downfield for 20 yard chunks, destroying the GB secondary.

Mccarthy obviously realized that the odds of preventing a 60 yard drive by Dallas was smaller than Crosby hitting a 57 yard field goal. It was by far the right decision IMO.


By far?
You're on the road  
NNJ Tom : 1/16/2017 4:28 pm : link
You end it if you can. If it goes to OT, Dallas has all the MO and probably wins.

He made the correct call.
RE: McCarthy was terrified in the 4th quarter  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/16/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13328460 djm said:
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He coached like he was scared shit he looked scared to me. The team played scared and Rodgers bailed them out along w Crosby. I'm not a big fan of McCarthy especially in big games.

Chicken comes home to roost in Atlanta this Sunday. Falcons will run and pass all over the packers and Atlanta's defense will do enough to help them win.


I don't think kicking was coaching scared at all.
It was a very tough spot  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/16/2017 4:31 pm : link
I thought the smart and safe move was to go for it on 4th. Positions like that are why coaching is so hard. We all argue with the benefit of hindsight. A miss there and the fans are burning him in effigy today. The kick squeaks through and he has big balls.
RE: RE: this is crazy  
huygens20 : 1/16/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13328781 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13328778 huygens20 said:


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Dallas scored on 3/4 possessions in the 2nd half.

Prescott was starting to throw the ball downfield for 20 yard chunks, destroying the GB secondary.

Mccarthy obviously realized that the odds of preventing a 60 yard drive by Dallas was smaller than Crosby hitting a 57 yard field goal. It was by far the right decision IMO.



By far?


Easily imo.

Think about this:

What is the difference in win probability for GB when:

Dallas ball, 1st 10 at DAL 40 with 1:33 /// score tied
or
Dallas ball 1st 10 at DAL 10 with 1:33 /// score tied

i guarantee if you plug it into a simulator the difference wont be as big as you think.
RE: It was a very tough spot  
huygens20 : 1/16/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13328789 Ron Johnson 30 said:
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I thought the smart and safe move was to go for it on 4th. Positions like that are why coaching is so hard. We all argue with the benefit of hindsight. A miss there and the fans are burning him in effigy today. The kick squeaks through and he has big balls.


another element is that we have no idea how far out crosby is comfortable. unless someone was there pregame or mccarthy said it in the postgame plainly, we just dont know. thats another big factor.

Bailey is obviously comfortable hitting 60 yarders.
RE: RE: It was a very tough spot  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13328802 huygens20 said:
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In comment 13328789 Ron Johnson 30 said:


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I thought the smart and safe move was to go for it on 4th. Positions like that are why coaching is so hard. We all argue with the benefit of hindsight. A miss there and the fans are burning him in effigy today. The kick squeaks through and he has big balls.



another element is that we have no idea how far out crosby is comfortable. unless someone was there pregame or mccarthy said it in the postgame plainly, we just dont know. thats another big factor.

Bailey is obviously comfortable hitting 60 yarders.


What is the farthest Kick Crosby has made before yesterday? Anyone know?
OK  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/16/2017 4:42 pm : link
you convinced me. At the time, without knowing anything about the kicker, I was thinking put the ball in Rodgers hand. A miss and it's over
RE: McCarthy was terrified in the 4th quarter  
gmenatlarge : 1/17/2017 7:37 am : link
In comment 13328460 djm said:
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He coached like he was scared shit he looked scared to me. The team played scared and Rodgers bailed them out along w Crosby. I'm not a big fan of McCarthy especially in big games.

Chicken comes home to roost in Atlanta this Sunday. Falcons will run and pass all over the packers and Atlanta's defense will do enough to help them win.

This guy has coached in how many playoff games? And you think he was terrified, maybe about his D being on the field too long..
Not what I would have done  
Elisthebest : 1/17/2017 9:26 am : link
But he's a Super Bowl winning Coach and I'm sitting here typing on a Message Board
RE: Not what I would have done  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2017 9:40 am : link
In comment 13329239 Elisthebest said:
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But he's a Super Bowl winning Coach and I'm sitting here typing on a Message Board


Which is what we ALL should keep in mind when we criticize
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