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Two things overlooked in the Dallas loss last night...

M.S. : 1/16/2017 12:02 pm
(1) The maturing of Dez Bryant who played very well without the antics;

(2) A Cowboys team that has no where to go but up with a stud -- and still young -- offensive line and even younger stars at QB and RB. Any (and I do mean ANY) upgrade on defense makes them all the more scary in the years to come.

The good new for the Giants... in a way they are the Cowboys in reverse with a stud (and still fairly young) defense and an offense that has only one way to go with any new infusion of talent along the front line: UP.

The bad news for the Giants vis-a-vis the Cowboys: our answer for a future QB is not on the roster, while they have an answer right now for the next 10 years.
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It's Elliott that makes me  
Steve L : 1/16/2017 12:51 pm : link
nervous about Dallas for the next decade. Man that kid is good. As long as Dallas continues to field a good OL, he will be a thorn in our side for a long time.
RE: RE: Dak is Alex Smith  
Tom in NY : 1/16/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13328364 giantgiantfan said:
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In comment 13328358 HoustonGiant said:


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Part 2. He's not putting a team on his back and willing a victory.



Lol, thats moronic. He played a great game last night, his offense put up 31 points, he had 3 TDs over 300 yards. You obviously don't know talent when you see it. Clearly blinded by blue.


I know I saw multiple balls thrown by Prescott that, against even an average NFL defense, would have been picked.....and he had to deal with little to no pass rush, due to his Oline.

He played well for a rookie QB (held his composure, directed his team, etc) but other than hitting wide open receivers, I saw very few high quality NFL throws.
How will we ever beat them?  
drkenneth : 1/16/2017 12:54 pm : link
?
Romo  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 12:55 pm : link
would cost $14M for the team acquiring him.

Not saying I'd acquire him, but in a market with younger options like Garoppolo I think Romo would be attractive only to a team like Denver or even someone like Houston (a stretch) that has a Championship caliber defense, some good skill guys on offense, and a non-championship QB.

Denver's OL would be a problem though.

and then the team could cut Romo after that season with no cap implications. All the guarantees escalate onto the Cowboys 2017 cap and they'd save around $5M by trading him.

It means though that while Romo is tradeable, I'm not sure how much I'd part with to get him.
Or, I will put it this way  
SomeFan : 1/16/2017 12:56 pm : link
Wentz is the QB in our division with the huge upside. I don't believe Dak has anywhere near as much upside.
I for one will be happy to see Romo go elsewhere..  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 12:58 pm : link
Of course, Snyder is so smitten with names, I could see him letting Cousins Walk and going after Romo..😎
RE: I for one will be happy to see Romo go elsewhere..  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13328387 Big Blue '56 said:
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Of course, Snyder is so smitten with names, I could see him letting Cousins Walk and going after Romo..😎


That might be a smart move depending on what Romo costs the Redskins.
Garrett schooled by McCarthy  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 1:05 pm : link
Garrett thinking overtime
McCarthy thinking Super Bowl
Dak's passing  
SLIM_ : 1/16/2017 1:09 pm : link
The guy outside of the Giants game has always had a running game and has had time to throw with some very good weapons. He had one pick yesterday and 3 others that the defensive backs dropped... again with almost NO PRESSURE.

Who do they lose in free agency/salary cap issues?
Does Whitten play at a high level next year?
Is Dez breaking down? (I don't see the same explosiveness).


Dak is legit, kills me that the cowboys  
bubba0825 : 1/16/2017 1:10 pm : link
Got lucky, they'd even tell you they want a few qb's other than him. My only knock on him is that I think his ceiling I pretty much hit, he played in pro style offense in college and had the 100% perfect situation to come into. I can't see how Elliott keeps up the work load they put on him, let's see Prescott does when they aren't running at 5 yards an attempt
To the Dak haters:  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/16/2017 1:12 pm : link
So if Romo had started they would have won ? And this is based on what ? Romo's sterling playoff record ? AS for Dak being Alex Smith: Anybody remember how bad Alex Smith's years with the Niners were like ? Even after they got good ? As for Dak not being able to make throws downfield, I don't know if thats true. But even if it is, neither can Eli anymore. The difference is that Eli is in the twilight of his career, this kid is rookie and is likely to get better. Even if he hits a rough patch next year he's shown the poise and maturity to overcome that. Dak isn't the reason they lost yesterday, Rogers is.

Just because I hate the Cowboys doesn't mean I've become delusional. Dak is the real deal.
I don;t know if I agree with the assessment  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/16/2017 1:15 pm : link
that there's anywhere to go but up for either the Cowboys or the Giants.

Firstly - I think the Cowboys way over-performed this year. Dak is good but he's not all world, and the Cowboys may have seen his ceiling in the first year. Secondly, as the past has shown, one or two key injuries can change the fortunes of a team in a hurry. Thirdly, the Cowboys are up against the cap more than any other team in the NFCE.

I have no argument with Elliot being the real deal - or the Cowboys Offensive Line being even premier -- but those things in themselves are not enough to reach a championship -- and the Cowboys have proved that over and over again.

Lastly -- who would have thought the Giants Offense had anywhere to go but up after last year -- and look what happened this year -- let that be a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks things can only go in one direction.
You don't have to be a 'Dak Hater' to think the guy  
jcn56 : 1/16/2017 1:15 pm : link
isn't that impressive. He's got a phenomenal WR and RB, an offensive line that gives him almost unlimited protection, still a highly productive #1 and #2 TEs.

And yet, against an abysmal GB defense, he managed 31 points at home.

Romo would have done better. Not hard to project that, seeing as how he's managed better in the past without the same setup. His playoff record might suck, but Dak's starting at 0-1 and could easily be winless for awhile.
RE: Garrett schooled by McCarthy  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13328399 shelovesnycsports said:
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Garrett thinking overtime
McCarthy thinking Super Bowl


Oh, please!
A lot of reaching here by Giant fans  
KWALL2 : 1/16/2017 1:22 pm : link
I don't know how you watch that QB and find knocks.
The knock on Dak is simple:  
area junc : 1/16/2017 1:30 pm : link
he literally has an All Pro RB, the best Offensive Line in the NFL, and a Hall of Fame TE and WR. Playing within a very good, proven offensive scheme with tons of continuity. And no "book" on him yet for other DC's to follow.

In other words: perfect playing conditions.

He's been excellent so far, but so was RG3 early. We'll see if he can sustain success, which is far more difficult than starting hot.
What a surprise  
djm : 1/16/2017 1:30 pm : link
M.S. turns an NFC east rival loss into a negative outlook for NYG fans.

Either come out of the closet and admit your not a Giants fan or try looking on the semi bright side once in a while, assuming you are in fact a Giants fan.

Dallas lost despite the NFL being there for the taking for them. Shut it.
Dallas has performance anxiety -  
GiantsUA : 1/16/2017 1:33 pm : link
They have been too good to continually get knocked out of the playoffs.

Like I said last night when the winning kick sailed thru the up rights - "suck it Dallas"

Yes the perfect spot for the rookie QB  
KWALL2 : 1/16/2017 1:34 pm : link
But I'm talking about his play. Much better than RG3. He could stand in there and make throws. RG3 never did that. He couldn't recognize and open WR. Prescott understands what it takes to play QB. He is nothing like RG3.
I agree with a lot of the above  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/16/2017 1:43 pm : link
You can acknowledge that Dak had a great rookie season, that Dallas has found a long term answer at QB in him, AND STILL think his level of play was inflated by the talent around him.

He is a great fit for that offense and as long as they have the surrounding pieces in place, they have found a very cheap and competent starting QB. That's not good news. HOWEVER, I agree with others in the "he doesn't scare me camp", at least, not yet. As suggested above, put Wentz on that team, and I believe the results would be better. I just don't know how you can watch him camp out in the backfield while defenses (unsuccessfully) devote extra guys to stopping the run and not acknowledge how much easier it is to quarterback that offense than basically any other team in the league.
Elliott is going to end up in trouble  
DCOrange : 1/16/2017 1:51 pm : link
I've seen interviews where even his own father worries about him despite him being escorted around Dallas with a security guy everywhere he goes (Dak gets the same treatment). NFL is back on the girlfriend situation too. I am not hoping for him to wind up in trouble, but I won't be surprised.
What???  
JerseyCityJoe : 1/16/2017 1:56 pm : link
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M.S. turns an NFC east rival loss into a negative outlook for NYG fans.


That is just bull. I believe MS was talking about Dallas's body of work this year. If you don't think their arrow is not pointing up you are just kidding yourself.

I just don't see what MS said as a shot at the Giants. MS bleeds Giants blue like the rest of us.

RE: You don't think QB was a problem for them last night?  
Suburbanites : 1/16/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13328292 jcn56 said:
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That game isn't close if a healthy Romo is taking snaps.

Prescott wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't enough of a performer for them to win. He's solid, but that's going to run out of steam quickly in the playoffs every time.

Had GB not gotten a bit banged up during the course of the games (Bakthiari and Adams), and Rodgers not made an uncharacteristic mistake, at 28-13 and driving that game would have been out of reach quickly despite being Dallas at home after a bye.


Really? I thought Prescott played great. He's a 23 year old rookie who brought his team back from an 18 point deficit throwing 3 TD's. What exactly did he not do last night?
Alex smith???  
djm : 1/16/2017 2:05 pm : link
The same smith that got two coaches fired in San Fran and couldn't even play the position at an average level until he was in the league for what, five years??

More like russel Wilson. That's who dak reminds me of. He's a good player but some of you probably insist that Russell Wilson isn't any good as well. Keep watching NFL games with your head in the sand.
And Alex smith is pretty good now  
djm : 1/16/2017 2:06 pm : link
DOnt wanna knock smith but cmon. Dak did things as a rookie that very few have done. Dallas sucked with garbage at qb last season they were very good with dak this season. Wonder why.
RE: A lot of reaching here by Giant fans  
ColHowPepper : 1/16/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13328427 KWALL2 said:
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I don't know how you watch that QB and find knocks.

^ This. Wow, so many are so desperate to be blind to a very strong upside going forward in Dallas, big challenge for Giants for many years.
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You don't think QB was a problem for them last night? ...
That game isn't close if a healthy Romo is taking snaps.Prescott wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't enough of a performer for them to win. He's solid, but that's going to run out of steam quickly in the playoffs every time.
So, the thesis here is that Dak didn't perform well enough to offset a Dallas defense that, in the end, the very end, couldn't contain one of the best QBs to ever play the game. Maybe it bears repeating that the 1st rookie QB to ever throw 3 TDs in a post-season game wasn't the reason Dallas lost.

NYG have their work cut out
Thing is Dallas' D is more likely to get worse than better  
BillT : 1/16/2017 2:15 pm : link
Terrel McLain, Claiborne, Church along with some defensive depth players are probably gone as FAs. Demarcus Lawrence may be facing more back surgery.
Well  
burtmanjack : 1/16/2017 2:16 pm : link
Optimism about the Cowboys' future is definitely warranted. But a cautionary tale -- three of the four teams that made the conference championship games last season didn't even MAKE the playoffs in 2016 -- and that includes a 15-1 Panthers team with a seemingly-golden future and the reigning league MVP at QB.

This is a year-to-year league. The Cowboys were unreasonably (as compared to statistical expectations) healthy this year -- just like in 2014. Another 2015 nightmare is just an injury or two away. A slight regression to the mean, combined with a much harder schedule (AFC West and NFC West instead of AFC North and NFC North, plus swing games against Atlanta and Green Bay) and things can look mighty different even if Dak and Zeke improve.

I will call it right here, no way the NFC East gets two teams in the playoffs again next season. A tougher schedule across the board, plus bounce back years from at least a couple of Minnesota (with Bridgewater), Arizona, Carolina, etc. and up and comers like TB, means a much harder path. The Eagles (among DVOA leaders even this year) are going to add some weapons at WR. The Giants -- an 11 win team despite not scoring 30 a single time all season -- are going to buttress their O-Line, which is the principal reason their offense sucked. Who knows about DC.

Bottom line is that great futures are nice, but no team can afford to waste the opportunities right in front of them. Just ask Dan Marino, who waltzed to the SB his rookie year, but despite perennial playoff appearances and a Hall of Fame career never sniffed the big game again.

It was all right there in front of the Cowboys this year -- home field advantage, a bye, a completely healthy roster, and the Super Bowl in Texas. No team's path is ever easy, but theirs was on of the most favorable possible. And they go no farther than the Houston Texans of all teams, and were one and done like the Dolphins, Giants, Lions, Raiders, and Chiefs.

You might get really cool hats and T-shirts for winning 13 games and your division. But you sure don't get rings. And rings are what it's all about.
The thing that struck me during  
dune69 : 1/16/2017 2:27 pm : link
the game was that Dez did seem to take a leadership role. They were down 21-3 and he was pumping up his teammates and he kind of took over the game. He was the main reason that they almost pulled out a win. I know its only one game and does not re-define the player but from a Giants perspective, I prefer the petulant baby that previously defined Dez.
....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 1/16/2017 2:54 pm : link
When the Cowboys got down early I thought they were finished.

I thought Dak showed a ton of improvement in this game than he had looked during the season.

RE: I'm not entirely sold  
WillVAB : 1/16/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13328293 ryanmkeane said:
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that Prescott is going to be some stud for years and years. He can't make accurate throws downfield.


This.

He beat up on an injured GB secondary that was bad to begin with.
RE: What???  
M.S. : 1/16/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13328484 JerseyCityJoe said:
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M.S. turns an NFC east rival loss into a negative outlook for NYG fans.



That is just bull. I believe MS was talking about Dallas's body of work this year. If you don't think their arrow is not pointing up you are just kidding yourself.

I just don't see what MS said as a shot at the Giants. MS bleeds Giants blue like the rest of us.

Thanks JerseyCityJoe!

djm has been under this mistaken impression for years now. I can't explain it.
Prescott = Russell Wilson,  
clatterbuck : 1/16/2017 3:28 pm : link
very good as a rookie, benefited from strong running game, room to get better and could become a top tier QB. Prescott may have more upside than Romo did at the beginning of his career. But he took a lot of hard hits yesterday and they add up over time. Durability may tell the tale.
We still don't know what Dak is  
Simms11 : 1/16/2017 3:59 pm : link
IMO. How did RGIII look in his first year? He got Washington to the playoffs and the year after looked like a completely different player. Now he did get hurt and who knows how Prescott will get through the rigors of the NFL next year?! I saw some good things from him, but he was also not under a great deal of pressure and hit open receivers. Let's see how he handles adversity and he'll have to at some point.
Luckily  
djstat : 1/16/2017 4:09 pm : link
Dallas is entering CAP HELL
In his rookie year, Dak Prescott threw for...  
M.S. : 1/16/2017 4:22 pm : link

...3,600+ yards; 23 TDs and only 4 Interceptions. His completion percentage (67.8%) was higher than Eli ever attained in his illustrious 13-year career. And Dak Prescott's rookie QB rating was 104.9 -- another stat never attained by Eli Manning.

My point: Why on earth are a few BBIers diminishing or doubting this guy's rookie year because he plays behind the best O-line in the NFL?

Who cares???

He will be playing behind Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zach Martin for several years to come. Do you honestly expect that -- with these three all-pros up front -- that Zak Prescott is going to all of a sudden fall apart and slump badly in his second year.

Dream on.
RE: The Cowboys  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/16/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13328294 pjcas18 said:
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are over the cap and have 18 UFA's.

Including some contributors like Ron Leary, Rolondo McClain, Barry Church, Mo Claiborne (who finally had a decent year), Jack Crawford, Justin Durant, and more.

Not exactly penciling them in for another 13 - 3 season.

Plus the Giants beat them twice and I think match up well with them.


TA-DAAAAA!

JFC with this OP.....REEEEEEALLLY? Thanks PJ
RE: In his rookie year, Dak Prescott threw for...  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/16/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13328766 M.S. said:
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...3,600+ yards; 23 TDs and only 4 Interceptions. His completion percentage (67.8%) was higher than Eli ever attained in his illustrious 13-year career. And Dak Prescott's rookie QB rating was 104.9 -- another stat never attained by Eli Manning.

My point: Why on earth are a few BBIers diminishing or doubting this guy's rookie year because he plays behind the best O-line in the NFL?

Who cares???

He will be playing behind Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zach Martin for several years to come. Do you honestly expect that -- with these three all-pros up front -- that Zak Prescott is going to all of a sudden fall apart and slump badly in his second year.

Dream on.


Again, I think it's possible to note the factors leading to his success...and try to adjust your assessment of the individual accordingly without being unrealistic about what to expect in the future.

No. I don't think his play will fall off a cliff as long as they keep the main pieces of that offense around him in place.

Yes. I do think it's fair for someone to say the praise of his performance is over the top given the supporting cast or to say that Wentz, all things considered, is still a more impressive prospect. This is not to say that I think Wentz's numbers will be better than Dak's next year or overall. It's simply an imperfect assessment of the two trying to eliminate for external factors. In other words, if I had to pick one of them to start a team with...I'd take Wentz without hesitation. If you asked me to bet on who will have better numbers next year, I'd probably say Dak.
...  
christian : 1/16/2017 5:26 pm : link
I still don't think he exhibits the arm strength to make throws cross field. Keeping him the pocket and forcing throng throws was his weakness this year.

He either has a mechanic issue or doesn't have the arm. Time will tell.
Pointing to Prescott's completion percentage is a sham.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2017 7:01 pm : link
All he did was play it safe with the ball.


These stats are searchable. He attempted 75 deep balls. To put that in perspective, Eli Manning and this awful offense attempted 100. The leader was Jameis Winston at 129.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&super_bowl=0&match=summary_all&year_min=2016&year_max=2016&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&quarter=1&quarter=2&quarter=3&quarter=4&quarter=5&tr_gtlt=lt&minutes=15&seconds=00&down=0&down=1&down=2&down=3&down=4&yg_gtlt=gt&is_first_down=-1&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_max_field=team&end_field_pos_min_field=team&end_field_pos_max_field=team&type=PASS&is_complete=-1&is_turnover=-1&turnover_type=interception&turnover_type=fumble&is_scoring=-1&score_type=touchdown&score_type=field_goal&score_type=safety&is_sack=-1&include_kneels=-1&no_play=0&order_by=yards&more_options=1&rush_direction=LE&rush_direction=LT&rush_direction=LG&rush_direction=M&rush_direction=RG&rush_direction=RT&rush_direction=RE&pass_location=DL&pass_location=DM&pass_location=DR
Not long ago,  
an_idol_mind : 1/16/2017 7:14 pm : link
The Eagles had suppisedly found a great QB in Foles, and Griffin was going to transform the NFL.

Before that, Matt Cassell was going to take the league by storm after leading the Pats to an 11-5 record.

I'll wait to see what Year 2 brings before worrying about Prescott.
Dak had an great year. I, for one,was very impressed with him when  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2017 7:23 pm : link
I saw him in Los Angeles play the Rams in August, and I was just as impressed with some of his throws yesterday. He was put in a good position to succeed with an excellent offense and he did just that. The Giants (and maybe the Eagles) were the only teams that made him look like a rookie this season.

But the NFL has a funny way of treating QBs that succeed.

They seem to watch film, study tendencies, find flaws and ultimately build gameplans that shut you down unless you have the certain "something" that keeps your focus & dedication to progressing your abilities and stay on top of that steep learning curve.

So bear with me when I give the cop-out answer of...lets see how Dak does next season.

RE: In his rookie year, Dak Prescott threw for...  
SomeFan : 1/16/2017 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13328766 M.S. said:
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...3,600+ yards; 23 TDs and only 4 Interceptions. His completion percentage (67.8%) was higher than Eli ever attained in his illustrious 13-year career. And Dak Prescott's rookie QB rating was 104.9 -- another stat never attained by Eli Manning.

My point: Why on earth are a few BBIers diminishing or doubting this guy's rookie year because he plays behind the best O-line in the NFL?

Who cares???

He will be playing behind Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zach Martin for several years to come. Do you honestly expect that -- with these three all-pros up front -- that Zak Prescott is going to all of a sudden fall apart and slump badly in his second year.

Dream on.


I predict that Dak never has a year like he just did and will not be as good as Romo. As I said, Wentz is a different story. I'm convinced that Wentz will be a much larger thorn in our side than Dak.
There have been a few QB's  
Doomster : 1/16/2017 11:33 pm : link
in the past few seasons that have had good to great first seasons, and then fell off a cliff.....with Dallas' OL, it makes life easier for Dak, but how much better will he be, remains to be seen....when pressured, he looks like a rookie.....so if you stand back there all season with no pressure, and then enter the playoffs, and pressure makes you mortal, that is the one hurdle he has yet to face....he cleared a hurdle or two in this game, by bringing his team back to tie, twice, in the fourth quarter.....with Romo possibly gone next season, then I think the pressure really begins.....the next few seasons, will make or break him....
RE: RE: In his rookie year, Dak Prescott threw for...  
montanagiant : 1/17/2017 4:15 am : link
In comment 13328946 SomeFan said:
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In comment 13328766 M.S. said:


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...3,600+ yards; 23 TDs and only 4 Interceptions. His completion percentage (67.8%) was higher than Eli ever attained in his illustrious 13-year career. And Dak Prescott's rookie QB rating was 104.9 -- another stat never attained by Eli Manning.

My point: Why on earth are a few BBIers diminishing or doubting this guy's rookie year because he plays behind the best O-line in the NFL?

Who cares???

He will be playing behind Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zach Martin for several years to come. Do you honestly expect that -- with these three all-pros up front -- that Zak Prescott is going to all of a sudden fall apart and slump badly in his second year.

Dream on.



I predict that Dak never has a year like he just did and will not be as good as Romo. As I said, Wentz is a different story. I'm convinced that Wentz will be a much larger thorn in our side than Dak.

Could not agree more.
RE: Dak is Alex Smith  
Route 9 : 1/17/2017 6:09 am : link
In comment 13328358 HoustonGiant said:
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Part 2. He's not putting a team on his back and willing a victory.


Not a bad comparison here, lay off everyone. Or maybe Colin Kaepernick? Hard to believe he was once force to be reckoned with. I can see Dak fizzling out the way CK did. Everyone here was slurping up CK around the time I got here, looks like everyone was pleased how Dak played....in a losing effort....
NFC dark ages coming...  
x meadowlander : 1/17/2017 9:37 am : link
...Dallas getting Prescott and Elliot in the same year??? Similar to the Giants having Eli and Jacobs come of age simultaneously - we're easily looking at 4 years of Cowboy dominance, minimally.

Of course, it looked exactly the same a few years back when Washington got RG3, so time will tell.
Green Bay's defense had to respect the run  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/17/2017 9:44 am : link
So Dez saw a lot of single coverage.

Imagine what OBJ could do with that kind of space?...

RE: Wow  
chris r : 1/17/2017 9:46 am : link
In comment 13328282 shelovesnycsports said:
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Hurts your cowboys lost last night huh.


Awful comment. We're adults here - we can acknowledge the positive things our rivals do.
RE: RE: A lot of reaching here by Giant fans  
section125 : 1/17/2017 10:05 am : link
In comment 13328523 ColHowPepper said:
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NYG have their work cut out


Good points, except the Giants beat Dallas twice and in the 2nd game smothered them. The Giants defense was getting better as the year went on but did have a clinker against GB - but Dakota is not AR.

With a better offense, the Giants are likely, still, the better team. I had no fear of Dallas in the playoffs, but GB with Rodgers was a different story.
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