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Two things overlooked in the Dallas loss last night...

M.S. : 1/16/2017 12:02 pm
(1) The maturing of Dez Bryant who played very well without the antics;

(2) A Cowboys team that has no where to go but up with a stud -- and still young -- offensive line and even younger stars at QB and RB. Any (and I do mean ANY) upgrade on defense makes them all the more scary in the years to come.

The good new for the Giants... in a way they are the Cowboys in reverse with a stud (and still fairly young) defense and an offense that has only one way to go with any new infusion of talent along the front line: UP.

The bad news for the Giants vis-a-vis the Cowboys: our answer for a future QB is not on the roster, while they have an answer right now for the next 10 years.
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Wow  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 12:06 pm : link
Hurts your cowboys lost last night huh.
The maturation of Dez gives me hope for Odell  
regulator : 1/16/2017 12:10 pm : link
Not long ago, Dez was 'out of control', a 'diva', 'time bomb', etc. A few extensive injury-related absence and more time under his belt have served him well. Admittedly, Dez is not the same player he was at the beginning of his career, but he was damn good last night against a depleted GB secondary.

With respect to Dallas, they have outstanding pieces in place, no doubt, but I don't believe the "nowhere to go but up" mantra is an inevitability. Things change from year to year, teams will study Prescott's film/tendencies all offseason, and I suspect Philadelphia and Washington will take steps this to follow the Giants' formula of adding major interior DL bulk specifically to stop Elliott.

Dallas will face a first place schedule next season, so the level of competition will be somewhat higher. Every season takes its own course, and while the general consensus this year will be to spot Dallas the NFCE crown and 12-14 wins, how many times have we seen this story play out?
Winning in the NFL is a year-to-year proposition..  
Chris684 : 1/16/2017 12:10 pm : link
There is no saying "there is nowhere to go but up".

Look at the Panthers.

There is no guarantee Dak matures without any setbacks. Injuries are always threat to any team in any year. Witten is not what he used to be and the defense, while ok, is going to need a major infusion of talent.

Dallas can easily be where the Redskins were this year.
An we talk about their cap situation? How about Romo & his dead money  
GloryDayz : 1/16/2017 12:11 pm : link
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You don't think QB was a problem for them last night?  
jcn56 : 1/16/2017 12:11 pm : link
That game isn't close if a healthy Romo is taking snaps.

Prescott wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't enough of a performer for them to win. He's solid, but that's going to run out of steam quickly in the playoffs every time.

Had GB not gotten a bit banged up during the course of the games (Bakthiari and Adams), and Rodgers not made an uncharacteristic mistake, at 28-13 and driving that game would have been out of reach quickly despite being Dallas at home after a bye.
I'm not entirely sold  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2017 12:11 pm : link
that Prescott is going to be some stud for years and years. He can't make accurate throws downfield.
The Cowboys  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 12:13 pm : link
are over the cap and have 18 UFA's.

Including some contributors like Ron Leary, Rolondo McClain, Barry Church, Mo Claiborne (who finally had a decent year), Jack Crawford, Justin Durant, and more.

Not exactly penciling them in for another 13 - 3 season.

Plus the Giants beat them twice and I think match up well with them.
I would much rather face Dak  
montanagiant : 1/16/2017 12:13 pm : link
Then Romo twice a year
A Dallas Feel Good Thread?  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 12:13 pm : link
Good show.
Fuck Dallas Romo would have torched that Packers secondary. Lol
Can't imagine how Jerry is feeling this morning.
Here is another fact  
montanagiant : 1/16/2017 12:14 pm : link
They were 2-3 their last 5 games
I think Romo wins that game last night  
ZogZerg : 1/16/2017 12:16 pm : link
But, Dak did have a nice come back.

NFL is year to year. Look at the Giants offense from last year to this year. You never know how things will turn.

Dallas Blew it! Bottom line. They had the easy road to the Superbowl and couldn't even get past the first game. Next year they probably don't win the NFC East.
RE: Wow  
M.S. : 1/16/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13328282 shelovesnycsports said:
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Hurts your cowboys lost last night huh.

Sorry, but you're talking to the wrong person. I've been a huge, loyal Giants fan for decades before you were even born. But I also like to keep it real.
RE: I think Romo wins that game last night  
montanagiant : 1/16/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13328304 ZogZerg said:
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But, Dak did have a nice come back.

NFL is year to year. Look at the Giants offense from last year to this year. You never know how things will turn.

Dallas Blew it! Bottom line. They had the easy road to the Superbowl and couldn't even get past the first game. Next year they probably don't win the NFC East.

Sophomore Jinx...Book it
RE: Winning in the NFL is a year-to-year proposition..  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/16/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13328289 Chris684 said:
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There is no saying "there is nowhere to go but up".

Look at the Panthers.

There is no guarantee Dak matures without any setbacks. Injuries are always threat to any team in any year. Witten is not what he used to be and the defense, while ok, is going to need a major infusion of talent.

Dallas can easily be where the Redskins were this year.


I was just going to post. The same holds true for the Giants. They can upgrade some holes and there's no guarantee they make the playoffs next year. For most teams, the season comes down to a handful of plays. It would be a completely different story if the Packers miss the long field goal (or pick anyone of a dozen plays) last night.
RE: You don't think QB was a problem for them last night?  
M.S. : 1/16/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13328292 jcn56 said:
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That game isn't close if a healthy Romo is taking snaps.

Prescott wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't enough of a performer for them to win. He's solid, but that's going to run out of steam quickly in the playoffs every time.

Had GB not gotten a bit banged up during the course of the games (Bakthiari and Adams), and Rodgers not made an uncharacteristic mistake, at 28-13 and driving that game would have been out of reach quickly despite being Dallas at home after a bye.

Dak played very well last night, but their defense had no answer for the same guy we had no answer for: Aaron Rogers.
Prescott's numbers also look  
giants#1 : 1/16/2017 12:20 pm : link
good against the "same GB D" that stopped the Giants passing attack because of the Dallas OL and their ability to run the ball. Even up big, the GB D was playing aggressive and using a similar style to what the Giants D did against the Cowboys. They were stacking the box and daring Prescott to beat them deep. The problem for GB was that they have Gunter at CB instead of Jenkins which led to the big Dez TD. It's not like Prescott routinely made great throws to beat them. He showed good poise in being able to lead them back and tie it, but it was as much due to the depleted GB secondary as Prescott being a future stud QB.
They've had a dominant OL for three years  
bceagle05 : 1/16/2017 12:31 pm : link
and have one playoff win to show for it. These windows close pretty quickly.
I like Dak Prescott. By all accounts he appears to be a good dude  
SomeFan : 1/16/2017 12:32 pm : link
but so was Tony Romo who I think was a much better QB.

I think we saw Dak Prescott's best this year, which isn't bad but not at the level of Romo and I don't believe he will ever be considered an "elite" QB in the NFL.

Wentz is a different story. He seems to have similar talent to Rodgers in that he can throw accurately from weird angles and on the move/run. He is not as fast as Rodgers but is bigger and stronger - sort of like in between Rodgers and BenR. He has a chance to be an elite QB. If Dak and Wentz changed teams, I think the Cowboys would be going to the NFCC game and the Eagles would have had an even worse record than they ended up with.
RE: You don't think QB was a problem for them last night?  
giantgiantfan : 1/16/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13328292 jcn56 said:
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That game isn't close if a healthy Romo is taking snaps.

Prescott wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't enough of a performer for them to win. He's solid, but that's going to run out of steam quickly in the playoffs every time.

Had GB not gotten a bit banged up during the course of the games (Bakthiari and Adams), and Rodgers not made an uncharacteristic mistake, at 28-13 and driving that game would have been out of reach quickly despite being Dallas at home after a bye.


I disagree here. The Dallas Defense was atrocious in the first half and if not for a too many men in the huddle penalty Dallas would likely have gone into the half down by 11 instead of 18. Dak looked great. Threw for 300 yeards and 3 TDs. Lead his team down the field late in the 4th to tie the game. Then his defense failed him again, though Rodgers made a pass completion for the ages.

Dak is legit. Romo probably would have done well until he got hit and carted off the field and Dak goes in anyways. Dak is the future in Dallas and we'll be dealing with an ever improving franchise QB down there for a while.
Dak is Alex Smith  
HoustonGiant : 1/16/2017 12:39 pm : link
Part 2. He's not putting a team on his back and willing a victory.
RE: Dak is Alex Smith  
giantgiantfan : 1/16/2017 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13328358 HoustonGiant said:
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Part 2. He's not putting a team on his back and willing a victory.


Lol, thats moronic. He played a great game last night, his offense put up 31 points, he had 3 TDs over 300 yards. You obviously don't know talent when you see it. Clearly blinded by blue.
RE: Dak is Alex Smith  
SomeFan : 1/16/2017 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13328358 HoustonGiant said:
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Part 2. He's not putting a team on his back and willing a victory.


Generally agree with this - maybe not quite Alex Smith level but see the comparison.
I hope the Dallas ownership, management, and coaches have the same  
Tom in NY : 1/16/2017 12:49 pm : link
outlook as the OP.

The fact is, there is very little more they can expect from this team.
In yesterday's game:
The QB rarely faced a pass rush.
There were huge holes for the running game (with a good RB to take advantage).
...AND they were playing against a bad/beat up defense.
And still lost.

For '17 they will have to deal with:
1. Bad Cap situation...and no real market to trade Romo (few teams want a 37 year old QB with a bad back, and $25M Cap hit).
2. A first place schedule (vs. last place in 2016).
3. The same defense that at best was "bend but don't break"....except they broke yesterday.
4. The same HC that has proven on a regular basis that he cannot win the big game (e.g. substitution issues, poor use of timeouts/spiking the ball, weak game plan that led to an 18 point deficit at home).

Prescott may improve some next season, but they may look back on this as the peak performance of their tenure (similar to the Jets in Ryan's first 2 seasons).
As Tuna said about Romo -  
GiantsUA : 1/16/2017 12:49 pm : link
Dak - "Let's not put him in Canton yet" - show me another good year and I will start to believe, running back get's hurt(or some O line injuries) and things may change quickly in Dallas.
It's Elliott that makes me  
Steve L : 1/16/2017 12:51 pm : link
nervous about Dallas for the next decade. Man that kid is good. As long as Dallas continues to field a good OL, he will be a thorn in our side for a long time.
RE: RE: Dak is Alex Smith  
Tom in NY : 1/16/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13328364 giantgiantfan said:
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In comment 13328358 HoustonGiant said:


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Part 2. He's not putting a team on his back and willing a victory.



Lol, thats moronic. He played a great game last night, his offense put up 31 points, he had 3 TDs over 300 yards. You obviously don't know talent when you see it. Clearly blinded by blue.


I know I saw multiple balls thrown by Prescott that, against even an average NFL defense, would have been picked.....and he had to deal with little to no pass rush, due to his Oline.

He played well for a rookie QB (held his composure, directed his team, etc) but other than hitting wide open receivers, I saw very few high quality NFL throws.
How will we ever beat them?  
drkenneth : 1/16/2017 12:54 pm : link
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Romo  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 12:55 pm : link
would cost $14M for the team acquiring him.

Not saying I'd acquire him, but in a market with younger options like Garoppolo I think Romo would be attractive only to a team like Denver or even someone like Houston (a stretch) that has a Championship caliber defense, some good skill guys on offense, and a non-championship QB.

Denver's OL would be a problem though.

and then the team could cut Romo after that season with no cap implications. All the guarantees escalate onto the Cowboys 2017 cap and they'd save around $5M by trading him.

It means though that while Romo is tradeable, I'm not sure how much I'd part with to get him.
Or, I will put it this way  
SomeFan : 1/16/2017 12:56 pm : link
Wentz is the QB in our division with the huge upside. I don't believe Dak has anywhere near as much upside.
I for one will be happy to see Romo go elsewhere..  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 12:58 pm : link
Of course, Snyder is so smitten with names, I could see him letting Cousins Walk and going after Romo..😎
RE: I for one will be happy to see Romo go elsewhere..  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13328387 Big Blue '56 said:
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Of course, Snyder is so smitten with names, I could see him letting Cousins Walk and going after Romo..😎


That might be a smart move depending on what Romo costs the Redskins.
Garrett schooled by McCarthy  
shelovesnycsports : 1/16/2017 1:05 pm : link
Garrett thinking overtime
McCarthy thinking Super Bowl
Dak's passing  
SLIM_ : 1/16/2017 1:09 pm : link
The guy outside of the Giants game has always had a running game and has had time to throw with some very good weapons. He had one pick yesterday and 3 others that the defensive backs dropped... again with almost NO PRESSURE.

Who do they lose in free agency/salary cap issues?
Does Whitten play at a high level next year?
Is Dez breaking down? (I don't see the same explosiveness).


Dak is legit, kills me that the cowboys  
bubba0825 : 1/16/2017 1:10 pm : link
Got lucky, they'd even tell you they want a few qb's other than him. My only knock on him is that I think his ceiling I pretty much hit, he played in pro style offense in college and had the 100% perfect situation to come into. I can't see how Elliott keeps up the work load they put on him, let's see Prescott does when they aren't running at 5 yards an attempt
To the Dak haters:  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/16/2017 1:12 pm : link
So if Romo had started they would have won ? And this is based on what ? Romo's sterling playoff record ? AS for Dak being Alex Smith: Anybody remember how bad Alex Smith's years with the Niners were like ? Even after they got good ? As for Dak not being able to make throws downfield, I don't know if thats true. But even if it is, neither can Eli anymore. The difference is that Eli is in the twilight of his career, this kid is rookie and is likely to get better. Even if he hits a rough patch next year he's shown the poise and maturity to overcome that. Dak isn't the reason they lost yesterday, Rogers is.

Just because I hate the Cowboys doesn't mean I've become delusional. Dak is the real deal.
I don;t know if I agree with the assessment  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/16/2017 1:15 pm : link
that there's anywhere to go but up for either the Cowboys or the Giants.

Firstly - I think the Cowboys way over-performed this year. Dak is good but he's not all world, and the Cowboys may have seen his ceiling in the first year. Secondly, as the past has shown, one or two key injuries can change the fortunes of a team in a hurry. Thirdly, the Cowboys are up against the cap more than any other team in the NFCE.

I have no argument with Elliot being the real deal - or the Cowboys Offensive Line being even premier -- but those things in themselves are not enough to reach a championship -- and the Cowboys have proved that over and over again.

Lastly -- who would have thought the Giants Offense had anywhere to go but up after last year -- and look what happened this year -- let that be a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks things can only go in one direction.
You don't have to be a 'Dak Hater' to think the guy  
jcn56 : 1/16/2017 1:15 pm : link
isn't that impressive. He's got a phenomenal WR and RB, an offensive line that gives him almost unlimited protection, still a highly productive #1 and #2 TEs.

And yet, against an abysmal GB defense, he managed 31 points at home.

Romo would have done better. Not hard to project that, seeing as how he's managed better in the past without the same setup. His playoff record might suck, but Dak's starting at 0-1 and could easily be winless for awhile.
RE: Garrett schooled by McCarthy  
Big Blue '56 : 1/16/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13328399 shelovesnycsports said:
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Garrett thinking overtime
McCarthy thinking Super Bowl


Oh, please!
A lot of reaching here by Giant fans  
KWALL2 : 1/16/2017 1:22 pm : link
I don't know how you watch that QB and find knocks.
The knock on Dak is simple:  
area junc : 1/16/2017 1:30 pm : link
he literally has an All Pro RB, the best Offensive Line in the NFL, and a Hall of Fame TE and WR. Playing within a very good, proven offensive scheme with tons of continuity. And no "book" on him yet for other DC's to follow.

In other words: perfect playing conditions.

He's been excellent so far, but so was RG3 early. We'll see if he can sustain success, which is far more difficult than starting hot.
What a surprise  
djm : 1/16/2017 1:30 pm : link
M.S. turns an NFC east rival loss into a negative outlook for NYG fans.

Either come out of the closet and admit your not a Giants fan or try looking on the semi bright side once in a while, assuming you are in fact a Giants fan.

Dallas lost despite the NFL being there for the taking for them. Shut it.
Dallas has performance anxiety -  
GiantsUA : 1/16/2017 1:33 pm : link
They have been too good to continually get knocked out of the playoffs.

Like I said last night when the winning kick sailed thru the up rights - "suck it Dallas"

Yes the perfect spot for the rookie QB  
KWALL2 : 1/16/2017 1:34 pm : link
But I'm talking about his play. Much better than RG3. He could stand in there and make throws. RG3 never did that. He couldn't recognize and open WR. Prescott understands what it takes to play QB. He is nothing like RG3.
I agree with a lot of the above  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/16/2017 1:43 pm : link
You can acknowledge that Dak had a great rookie season, that Dallas has found a long term answer at QB in him, AND STILL think his level of play was inflated by the talent around him.

He is a great fit for that offense and as long as they have the surrounding pieces in place, they have found a very cheap and competent starting QB. That's not good news. HOWEVER, I agree with others in the "he doesn't scare me camp", at least, not yet. As suggested above, put Wentz on that team, and I believe the results would be better. I just don't know how you can watch him camp out in the backfield while defenses (unsuccessfully) devote extra guys to stopping the run and not acknowledge how much easier it is to quarterback that offense than basically any other team in the league.
Elliott is going to end up in trouble  
DCOrange : 1/16/2017 1:51 pm : link
I've seen interviews where even his own father worries about him despite him being escorted around Dallas with a security guy everywhere he goes (Dak gets the same treatment). NFL is back on the girlfriend situation too. I am not hoping for him to wind up in trouble, but I won't be surprised.
What???  
JerseyCityJoe : 1/16/2017 1:56 pm : link
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M.S. turns an NFC east rival loss into a negative outlook for NYG fans.


That is just bull. I believe MS was talking about Dallas's body of work this year. If you don't think their arrow is not pointing up you are just kidding yourself.

I just don't see what MS said as a shot at the Giants. MS bleeds Giants blue like the rest of us.

RE: You don't think QB was a problem for them last night?  
Suburbanites : 1/16/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13328292 jcn56 said:
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That game isn't close if a healthy Romo is taking snaps.

Prescott wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't enough of a performer for them to win. He's solid, but that's going to run out of steam quickly in the playoffs every time.

Had GB not gotten a bit banged up during the course of the games (Bakthiari and Adams), and Rodgers not made an uncharacteristic mistake, at 28-13 and driving that game would have been out of reach quickly despite being Dallas at home after a bye.


Really? I thought Prescott played great. He's a 23 year old rookie who brought his team back from an 18 point deficit throwing 3 TD's. What exactly did he not do last night?
Alex smith???  
djm : 1/16/2017 2:05 pm : link
The same smith that got two coaches fired in San Fran and couldn't even play the position at an average level until he was in the league for what, five years??

More like russel Wilson. That's who dak reminds me of. He's a good player but some of you probably insist that Russell Wilson isn't any good as well. Keep watching NFL games with your head in the sand.
And Alex smith is pretty good now  
djm : 1/16/2017 2:06 pm : link
DOnt wanna knock smith but cmon. Dak did things as a rookie that very few have done. Dallas sucked with garbage at qb last season they were very good with dak this season. Wonder why.
RE: A lot of reaching here by Giant fans  
ColHowPepper : 1/16/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13328427 KWALL2 said:
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I don't know how you watch that QB and find knocks.

^ This. Wow, so many are so desperate to be blind to a very strong upside going forward in Dallas, big challenge for Giants for many years.
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You don't think QB was a problem for them last night? ...
That game isn't close if a healthy Romo is taking snaps.Prescott wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't enough of a performer for them to win. He's solid, but that's going to run out of steam quickly in the playoffs every time.
So, the thesis here is that Dak didn't perform well enough to offset a Dallas defense that, in the end, the very end, couldn't contain one of the best QBs to ever play the game. Maybe it bears repeating that the 1st rookie QB to ever throw 3 TDs in a post-season game wasn't the reason Dallas lost.

NYG have their work cut out
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