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jtgiants : 1/17/2017 9:30 am
his cap numbers in todays article are wrong. he has us with only a 1.8 million carry over from last year. its more like 11 million. he says were only 20 mill under cap. its not accurate. he needs to read spotrac whos numbers are spot on. its an honest mistake but wanted to point it out
 
okayrene : 1/17/2017 9:36 am : link
Out of curiosity, how do you know one is more right than the other?
Have to double check  
Giants2012 : 1/17/2017 9:44 am : link
everything the guy writes.

I thought we were at $30 million  
The_Boss : 1/17/2017 9:53 am : link
Under right now?
He moved to the four-letter network.  
Racer : 1/17/2017 9:55 am : link
Much more important to get clicks and page views than facts.
Cap numbers are often a mystery  
English Alaister : 1/17/2017 9:56 am : link
to all but the team and the oversight unit. The deals are much more complicated than often reported with escalators and incentives (think DRC's $500k for his 5th pick) and often times sites like overthecap don't have this information.

Over the cap is more accurate than  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2017 9:56 am : link
sport trac generally speaking.

they have the projected cap at 170M and the Giants at almost 32M under that.
Yea  
kash94 : 1/17/2017 10:08 am : link
unlike the NBA it's not that easy however OTC is usually at least in the ballpark.

As of now they have us at $32m under. If we cut Cruz, JT Thomas, and Jennings (but retain everyone else like DRC at their current cap numbers) we'll be at 45 under.
RE: Yea  
Rjanyg : 1/17/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13329330 kash94 said:
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unlike the NBA it's not that easy however OTC is usually at least in the ballpark.

As of now they have us at $32m under. If we cut Cruz, JT Thomas, and Jennings (but retain everyone else like DRC at their current cap numbers) we'll be at 45 under.


I like the sound of being $45 mill under the cap. I think one of Cruz or Jennings is staying at a reduced salary....just my opinion.
Looks like he changed his tune  
Saos1n : 1/17/2017 10:55 am : link
Just tweeted out an article with the following

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#Giants expected to have over $30M in salary cap space (Note: I used conservative estimate of $164M for '17 cap)

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saw that  
jtgiants : 1/17/2017 11:04 am : link
your welcome jordan:)
RE: Looks like he changed his tune  
nygiants16 : 1/17/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13329429 Saos1n said:
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Just tweeted out an article with the following



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#Giants expected to have over $30M in salary cap space (Note: I used conservative estimate of $164M for '17 cap)

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he didnt change anything, he still says only 1.6 million carryover and the 30 million is if they cut a few guys
he changed  
jtgiants : 1/17/2017 11:15 am : link
at top of article. it did say 20. now says 30
RE: he changed  
therealmf : 1/17/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13329478 jtgiants said:
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at top of article. it did say 20. now says 30

Why were you expecting $11 million in carryover? The Giant only had $5 million at the end of the year. Is there something else that is factored in?
nope  
jtgiants : 1/17/2017 11:36 am : link
giants have 11 mill in carryover. according to everyone
RE: nope  
crick n NC : 1/17/2017 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13329551 jtgiants said:
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giants have 11 mill in carryover. according to everyone


Good to see you posting JT
He's good about responding on Twitter  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/17/2017 12:43 pm : link
but I still think he's a moron
is it raanan  
B in ALB : 1/17/2017 12:50 pm : link
that got on BBI at one point and puffed his chest out about being an insider because he was sitting in some breakfast with the team? It was some bizarre rebuttal to being called out again for his jackassery.
RE: …  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/17/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13329245 okayrene said:
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Out of curiosity, how do you know one is more right than the other?

Well, it's math, so by definition one will be more right than the other since their numbers conflict. I suppose it's a bit tougher to determine which one is correct, but they can't both be right.
RE: nope  
section125 : 1/17/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13329551 jtgiants said:
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giants have 11 mill in carryover. according to everyone


jt, OTC has them $4.46 mill under the cap. Who is everyone? I like your numbers better, but OTC is pretty accurate.
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RE: He's good about responding on Twitter  
Carson53 : 1/17/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13329732 Ron Johnson 30 said:
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but I still think he's a moron
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Did you tell him that on Twitter, LOL.
Raanan sucks!  
JordanRaanan : 1/17/2017 2:30 pm : link
I know I suck and am an idiot but ...

Never changed anything. Never said anything about breakfast with the team. None of that even has a shred of truth. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Anyway, see for yourself in the link I provided how much cap space the Giants have to carry over. I do my research, talk to people who know this stuff, view papers, data and contracts you don't have access to and try my best to be as accurate as possible.
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RE: Raanan sucks!  
adamg : 1/17/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13329965 JordanRaanan said:
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I know I suck and am an idiot but ...

Never changed anything. Never said anything about breakfast with the team. None of that even has a shred of truth. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Anyway, see for yourself in the link I provided how much cap space the Giants have to carry over. I do my research, talk to people who know this stuff, view papers, data and contracts you don't have access to and try my best to be as accurate as possible. Link - ( New Window )


I don't think you suck, Jordan.

- Jordan Raanan's #1 Fan
Jordan  
Cruzin : 1/17/2017 3:48 pm : link

You're nobody on BBI until someone tells you they've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know.

Out of the 200-300 members that post with any regularity, about 30 of them know what they are talking about. Those that call you a moron are the ones most likely to be repeating what you've said, at the water cooler during break, and calling it their own.

There's probably about another 2,000 members in any given week that read and don't post, it's a pretty good bet that they would be the more intelligent audience.
jordan raanan  
jtgiants : 1/17/2017 6:58 pm : link
thx for response. i go by spotrac which i always find very accurate. was spot on w giants caplast year. also in the link u provided it says we have an 11 mill carryover as well. im just asking u double check. until its proven inaccurate im gonna believe spotrac. if its wrong please let us know. thx
there really is no call to insult jordan personally  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/17/2017 7:05 pm : link
criticism of his content is fine - but I want to remind everyone that jordan raanan is a fellow bbi poster
gideofar  
jtgiants : 1/17/2017 7:13 pm : link
i hope u arent referring to me. i wasnt criticizing at all but i feel its fair to question. there is conflicting info. he could be right but could b wrong too
RE: gideofar  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/17/2017 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13330364 jtgiants said:
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i hope u arent referring to me. i wasnt criticizing at all but i feel its fair to question. there is conflicting info. he could be right but could b wrong too


no - not you -- there are others on this thread that resorted to name calling though
its  
jtgiants : 1/17/2017 7:16 pm : link
a 10 mill dollar diffrence. to me thats very significant gap between the two reported numbers. just tryin to figure out whats accuraye
gideofar  
jtgiants : 1/17/2017 7:17 pm : link
i agree. jordan should b commended for responding at all
RE: jordan raanan  
therealmf : 1/17/2017 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13330348 jtgiants said:
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thx for response. i go by spotrac which i always find very accurate. was spot on w giants caplast year. also in the link u provided it says we have an 11 mill carryover as well. im just asking u double check. until its proven inaccurate im gonna believe spotrac. if its wrong please let us know. thx


If you look at Spotrac you will notice they use the top 51 salaries to calculate last years(2016) total cap used. Overthecap uses all salaries. This is what causes the difference. I don't think Spotrac is correct.
RE: RE: jordan raanan  
adamg : 1/17/2017 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13330655 therealmf said:
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In comment 13330348 jtgiants said:


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thx for response. i go by spotrac which i always find very accurate. was spot on w giants caplast year. also in the link u provided it says we have an 11 mill carryover as well. im just asking u double check. until its proven inaccurate im gonna believe spotrac. if its wrong please let us know. thx



If you look at Spotrac you will notice they use the top 51 salaries to calculate last years(2016) total cap used. Overthecap uses all salaries. This is what causes the difference. I don't think Spotrac is correct.


Thank you. I didn't realize that. I'm going to OTC then.
RE: Raanan sucks!  
Jon in NYC : 1/17/2017 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13329965 JordanRaanan said:
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I know I suck and am an idiot but ...

Never changed anything. Never said anything about breakfast with the team. None of that even has a shred of truth. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Anyway, see for yourself in the link I provided how much cap space the Giants have to carry over. I do my research, talk to people who know this stuff, view papers, data and contracts you don't have access to and try my best to be as accurate as possible. Link - ( New Window )


I'm with you until the "you don't have access to" quip. Please don't try to act holier than thou Jordan. It isn't becoming.
That said,  
Jon in NYC : 1/17/2017 11:28 pm : link
I do appreciate you coming to BBI to try to clarify. Not many would do that.
I think it's quite fair for a reporter to cite that he has access  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/17/2017 11:31 pm : link
To information we don't.

Half the things we talk about on this board come from third and second hand information.
RE: Have to double check  
Sonic Youth : 1/18/2017 2:40 am : link
In comment 13329261 Giants2012 said:
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everything the guy writes.
?? This isn't true
RE: RE: Raanan sucks!  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/18/2017 8:15 am : link
In comment 13330664 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13329965 JordanRaanan said:


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I know I suck and am an idiot but ...

Never changed anything. Never said anything about breakfast with the team. None of that even has a shred of truth. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Anyway, see for yourself in the link I provided how much cap space the Giants have to carry over. I do my research, talk to people who know this stuff, view papers, data and contracts you don't have access to and try my best to be as accurate as possible. Link - ( New Window )



I'm with you until the "you don't have access to" quip. Please don't try to act holier than thou Jordan. It isn't becoming.

Agreed, 100%.

Also, I find it surprising (although not impossible) that any reporter would have privity to player contracts. That's not meant to question Jordan's accuracy or at minimum his best good-faith effort to be accurate, but it's an unnecessary throw-in that I have doubts about.
RE: RE: RE: Raanan sucks!  
JordanRaanan : 1/18/2017 9:06 am : link
In comment 13330751 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13330664 Jon in NYC said:


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In comment 13329965 JordanRaanan said:


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I know I suck and am an idiot but ...

Never changed anything. Never said anything about breakfast with the team. None of that even has a shred of truth. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Anyway, see for yourself in the link I provided how much cap space the Giants have to carry over. I do my research, talk to people who know this stuff, view papers, data and contracts you don't have access to and try my best to be as accurate as possible. Link - ( New Window )



I'm with you until the "you don't have access to" quip. Please don't try to act holier than thou Jordan. It isn't becoming.


Agreed, 100%.

Also, I find it surprising (although not impossible) that any reporter would have privity to player contracts. That's not meant to question Jordan's accuracy or at minimum his best good-faith effort to be accurate, but it's an unnecessary throw-in that I have doubts about.


You would be assuming wrong about the contracts.
Sportswriters  
Carson53 : 1/18/2017 9:14 am : link
as a group in GENERAL, are a pretty thin skinned bunch.
I am not talking specifically about Raanan.
They can dish it out, but they can't take a little criticism.
jordan raanan  
jtgiants : 1/18/2017 12:20 pm : link
spotrac was dead accurate last year. they also dont just use top 51. im asking is it possible your info isnt accurate. again last year spotrac was dead on. thx
Welcome Jordan  
Joey in VA : 1/18/2017 12:27 pm : link
You are now officially a BBIer. You have been put down, had your accuracy and knowledge questioned and told you're too thin skinned. All that's left is for someone to say that you have no jewlz, just regular and you'll be an immortal.
LOL  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/18/2017 12:29 pm : link
Pathetic display as usual by BBI. Thanks for posting, Jordan.
joey  
jtgiants : 1/18/2017 12:31 pm : link
i never put jordan down but when other organizations who r respected have different numbers its fair to question. im sry u disagree. just want to figure it out
It's a real wonder why the Giants make an effort to recognize  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2017 12:31 pm : link
BBI sometimes. The behavior of some percentage on here doesn't exactly merit it.
RE: Raanan sucks!  
One Man Thrill Ride : 1/18/2017 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13329965 JordanRaanan said:
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I know I suck and am an idiot but ...

Never changed anything. Never said anything about breakfast with the team. None of that even has a shred of truth. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Anyway, see for yourself in the link I provided how much cap space the Giants have to carry over. I do my research, talk to people who know this stuff, view papers, data and contracts you don't have access to and try my best to be as accurate as possible. Link - ( New Window )


Thrill Ride is in your corner 100%. Appreciate how seriously you take your work and it's evident in the improvements as a writer and analyst you've made over the years.

Thrill Ride also blames you and YOU ALONE for spilling the beans about Floyd and Conklin. Bears and Titans obviously are following you on Twitter, BRO.

Keep doing what you're doing and don't let these dinks get in the way.
i dont get  
jtgiants : 1/18/2017 12:41 pm : link
u guys. some r being disrespectful. some arent. im asking a legit question. the difference is huge someones wrong here
BBI in a nutshell  
BigBlueShock : 1/18/2017 12:43 pm : link
Before Raanan shows up:

"That Raanan sure is a know nothing moron!"

After Raanan shows up:

"Hey Raanan, you're the best! Keep up the great work!"
RE: BBI in a nutshell  
Giants2012 : 1/18/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13331210 BigBlueShock said:
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Before Raanan shows up:

"That Raanan sure is a know nothing moron!"

After Raanan shows up:

"Hey Raanan, you're the best! Keep up the great work!"
j


Right lol

A few hypocrites around here.
RE: RE: Raanan sucks!  
chris r : 1/19/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13330664 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13329965 JordanRaanan said:


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I know I suck and am an idiot but ...

Never changed anything. Never said anything about breakfast with the team. None of that even has a shred of truth. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Anyway, see for yourself in the link I provided how much cap space the Giants have to carry over. I do my research, talk to people who know this stuff, view papers, data and contracts you don't have access to and try my best to be as accurate as possible. Link - ( New Window )



I'm with you until the "you don't have access to" quip. Please don't try to act holier than thou Jordan. It isn't becoming.


It's not holier than thou. It's fact.
RE: joey  
Joey in VA : 1/19/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13331187 jtgiants said:
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i never put jordan down but when other organizations who r respected have different numbers its fair to question. im sry u disagree. just want to figure it out
Not you brother, you're being fair and asking questions, others are being a bit dickish.
Why don't we just split the 10 mill dollar difference in "cap space"  
djm : 1/19/2017 10:39 pm : link
Among all of us in this thread (that posted) and call it even?
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