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Ryan Clark and offensive game planning.

Archer : 1/17/2017 11:02 am
In listening to Ryan Clark on the radio this morning I was struck by something that he said.
To paraphrase Ryan (he was referring to how the remaining teams in the playoffs will offensive game plan)
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“teams will offensive game plan based upon what the defense is playing. If they are playing against a (2) deep zone that is set upon taking away the big play; then the teams will force the defense to commit to one side by bunching receivers, the offense will create mismatches by changing personnel, they will introduce pre-snap movement to confuse the defense, and they run patterns that stretch the field horizontally ".



The ability for the offense to be more creative in how they attack defenses must be the Giants priority for next year.
Yup  
kash94 : 1/17/2017 11:10 am : link
Giants need to be a lot more creative next year on the offensive side of the ball.

Having proper personnel (upgrade in OL, TE, #2 WR, FB) will help, but the coaching needs to do its part too.

I'm a bit optimistic though. They're obviously a lot of parts already on the roster that will help
I think you are misdiagnosing the problem  
Carthonfan : 1/17/2017 11:11 am : link
(A) they tried to run the ball against two high safeties and couldn't. That was the main match up issue. This was a significant failure

(B) they did not have great options for creating mismatches in the receiving game. Mismatches require skill players who can take advantage of a size or speed advantage. With Cruz, Jennings, and Tye (all sub part at their respective positions) in base sets they could not exploit defensive personnel

When they have better personnel, they will let get more creative
There just weren't that many options personnel-wise  
BillT : 1/17/2017 11:21 am : link
With Johnson and Vereen out all/most of the year and our best TE and best RB both rookies there was only so much they could do.
I'm on board with the need for a TE and OL help, and a FB too  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/17/2017 11:32 am : link
But, how in the world did our entire offense hinge on Will Johnson? He was hurt in camp... you mean we couldn't pick up another FB or TE to make this thing work? I'm just surprised that the entire offensive continuity went down the tubes without Will Johnson?

I too think the loss of Vareen hurt.. so add in our pass catching RB and a TE who can stretch the field, and some OL help to protect so Eli can let the receivers get downfield further and we will score more? I'm game.
This is why  
HoustonGiant : 1/17/2017 11:38 am : link
BB and the Pats have so much success, regardless of personnel. He can cause confusion on both sides of the ball.
RE: This is why  
Blue21 : 1/17/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13329557 HoustonGiant said:
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BB and the Pats have so much success, regardless of personnel. He can cause confusion on both sides of the ball.


Absolutely. They constantly change things up. Put a different twist on the same plays. I'l1 say it 100 times on a Sunday watching other team "why don't we run plays like this". It feels like the Giants have 4 plays in their playbook.
Julius Thomas  
djstat : 1/17/2017 1:36 pm : link
Trade a 6th for him
I'm fairly certain every team in the NFL  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/17/2017 1:39 pm : link
does that today.
I want a proven OC next year.  
JFIB : 1/17/2017 2:11 pm : link
Hopefully someone who wouldn't feel the need to redesign the entire offense but could tweak it and be an effective play caller. What's Norv Turner's deal? I know he quit the Vikings mid season. I wonder if he would be available with compensation to the Vikes and if he would be interested. He is a prolific OC.
Was Sullivan over his head?  
Archer : 1/17/2017 2:32 pm : link
Was Sullivan over his head?
Or was the poor play calling and game planning on McAdoo?

As for the personel.Reese has to do for the offense this year what he did for the defense last year.

The offense needs an overhaul and a personality.
The Giants have to build the offense from the inside out.
They need a new line and TE.


RE: I want a proven OC next year.  
regulator : 1/17/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13329931 JFIB said:
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Hopefully someone who wouldn't feel the need to redesign the entire offense but could tweak it and be an effective play caller. What's Norv Turner's deal? I know he quit the Vikings mid season. I wonder if he would be available with compensation to the Vikes and if he would be interested. He is a prolific OC.


I'll add to that... I want an OC from the Holmgren/McCarthy lineage, who conceptually understands what McAdoo is trying to run. We are not going to scrap the WCO with McAdoo at the helm, especially after more successful implementations in 2014/2015. We also have to have the personnel (a TE and running game) to make it work.

Norv Turner is an Air Coryell disciple... the last thing we need are conflicting offensive philosophies in the same staff.
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