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RE: RE: RE: Steal from the..Lions? In comment 13329920 Joey in VA said: Sign Warford and Rieff, move Rieff to LT and Flowers to RT and voila you have a new, young, big OL. |
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Big Blue '56: So you believe EF at ORT will be fine? Possibly, assuming he's right handed. It's a natural movement for a right handed/footed person to open up to the right, it becomes more mechanical when doing it on the left, you have to think through it almost. He seems to think and struggle with simple things and footwork is piece #1. If he's struggling with footwork you can start to correct that by putting him on a more natural side. If his first step is more natural the rest becomes easier. That's one argument no one really makes when discussing RT vs LT, they throw out the good LDEs and say he'd struggle more there vs the likes of a JJ Watt. If you have ever blocked anything or anyone as a right handed/footed person, opening up to your right is far far easier and more natural. If you have any hip/knee stiffnes as far as bending goes, you're cooked because you wont' adjust as quickly as you need to. I'd try him on the right and see what happens. |
My line next year:
Kalil (best option not named Andrew Whitworth, as sad as that sounds)/Ramczyk---Pugh---Richburg---one of the guys mentioned above---Flowers
My line next year:
Kalil (best option not named Andrew Whitworth, as sad as that sounds)/Ramczyk---Pugh---Richburg---one of the guys mentioned above---Flowers
This kid Ramczyk, how significant is his injury, especially moving forward?
Iirc (and you certainly would know) Zeitler was the top ranked OG coming out of the draft that year..He has not disappointed..Pay the man
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Love the idea of Warford. With Warford, Chance Warmack, TJ Lang and Kevin Zeitler all free agents, there's no reason we can't get one of them.
My line next year:
Kalil (best option not named Andrew Whitworth, as sad as that sounds)/Ramczyk---Pugh---Richburg---one of the guys mentioned above---Flowers
This kid Ramczyk, how significant is his injury, especially moving forward?
Iirc (and you certainly would know) Zeitler was the top ranked OG coming out of the draft that year..He has not disappointed..Pay the man
Not 100% sure. Some say he will be ready for training camp, but you never know. I love his game. Love it, but the injury is concerning. I can't lie about that. Still, he persevered through it and had a phenomenal year.
Zeitler indeed was and yes, he's had a fantastic few years with the Bengals.
Any of those 4 RGs would be great signings and major upgrades over John Jerry
Jerry overall was pretty bad, IMO and we can certainly do better
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Don't forget the twitter king Schwartz
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Don't forget the twitter king Schwartz
I've tried to block that one out. :-)
Two years on the left for the Giants plus two or more on the left for U of Miami. Seems like muscle memory or whatever should be at least starting to kick in.
I also don't know what this has to do with initial hand placement which usually seems to start below the waist.
Might have to delete and start over albeit good points being made about those two Lions et al
My wife is a gifted teacher based largely on a put one at ease personality, and I find the failure of large improvement, nay any improvement, on EF's part baffling.
Despite how bad the OL was, I believe a key move or two in FA could solidify the OL.
Than I would sign Andrew Whitworth for 2 years and move Flowers to RT. Offer him that extra year to pry him away from the Bengals.
LT - Whitworth
LG - Pugh
C - Richburg
RG - Zeitler
RT - Flowers
I like that kid Adam Bisnowaty from Pitt. Draft him in Round 2 or 3 and he can develop into the future LT or RT.
I haven't given up on Flowers at LT of the future, but I would draft a guy like Bisnowaty and than you have two young guys to learn from Whitworth and you have options going forward.
Possibly yes? It's a pretty simple point. Every critic of his talks about his technique, not his talent. Joey's assertion is that his technique may improve on the right side because the movements will be more natural for him.
I have my doubts as to whether the technique will improve enough to make him successful there, but the underlying premise seems sound to me.
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Accorsi trotted out some shit lines himself. He just got lucky with Diehl/Seubert as 5th and UDFA and got lucky that Ohara blossomed here after signing a modest deal as a FA.
At the end of the day a lot of being considered a GM is luck. Did the Pats make a good selection with Brady in rd 6? No. They completely misevaluated him and got lucky that the rest of the league did too.
In reality, Accorsi SHOULDNT have traded for Eli. It worked out for the Giants but simply drafting Rothlisburger would have been better management of assets.
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Accorsi trotted out some shit lines himself. He just got lucky with Diehl/Seubert as 5th and UDFA and got lucky that Ohara blossomed here after signing a modest deal as a FA.
At the end of the day a lot of being considered a GM is luck. Did the Pats make a good selection with Brady in rd 6? No. They completely misevaluated him and got lucky that the rest of the league did too.
In reality, Accorsi SHOULDNT have traded for Eli. It worked out for the Giants but simply drafting Rothlisburger would have been better management of assets.
Are you serious?
"luck" is when you take a UDFA like Cruz and he turns into a top 10 receiver for 3 years.
"skill" is taking a drafted player in rounds 4-7 and turning him into an average starter.
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In comment 13330092 ryanmkeane said:
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Accorsi trotted out some shit lines himself. He just got lucky with Diehl/Seubert as 5th and UDFA and got lucky that Ohara blossomed here after signing a modest deal as a FA.
At the end of the day a lot of being considered a GM is luck. Did the Pats make a good selection with Brady in rd 6? No. They completely misevaluated him and got lucky that the rest of the league did too.
In reality, Accorsi SHOULDNT have traded for Eli. It worked out for the Giants but simply drafting Rothlisburger would have been better management of assets.
Are you serious?
"luck" is when you take a UDFA like Cruz and he turns into a top 10 receiver for 3 years.
"skill" is taking a drafted player in rounds 4-7 and turning him into an average starter.
Drafting David Diehl in the 5th round meant the Giants completely misevaluated his talents. Just like they did earlier in the draft when they drafted William Joseph BEFORE drafting Osi Umenyiora.
That Diehl was still available in the fifth rd meant the entire NFL had misevaluated his talent including the Giants who took players like William Josehp and Willie Ponder before drafting Diehl.
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In comment 13330092 ryanmkeane said:
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Accorsi trotted out some shit lines himself. He just got lucky with Diehl/Seubert as 5th and UDFA and got lucky that Ohara blossomed here after signing a modest deal as a FA.
At the end of the day a lot of being considered a GM is luck. Did the Pats make a good selection with Brady in rd 6? No. They completely misevaluated him and got lucky that the rest of the league did too.
In reality, Accorsi SHOULDNT have traded for Eli. It worked out for the Giants but simply drafting Rothlisburger would have been better management of assets.
Are you serious?
"luck" is when you take a UDFA like Cruz and he turns into a top 10 receiver for 3 years.
"skill" is taking a drafted player in rounds 4-7 and turning him into an average starter.
Drafting David Diehl in the 5th round meant the Giants completely misevaluated his talents. Just like they did earlier in the draft when they drafted William Joseph BEFORE drafting Osi Umenyiora.
That Diehl was still available in the fifth rd meant the entire NFL had misevaluated his talent including the Giants who took players like William Josehp and Willie Ponder before drafting Diehl.
your analysis is far too narrow in scope.
that's not how it works.
On the other hand nothing about Riley Reiff impresses me at LT. He lost his job there for a reason. He wasn't good enough. He looks like a RT to me and performed better there.
He did sign Baas. We won a Superbowl with him even if he broke down afterward - so I'd say that was a good signing.
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Accorsi trotted out some shit lines himself. He just got lucky with Diehl/Seubert as 5th and UDFA and got lucky that Ohara blossomed here after signing a modest deal as a FA.
At the end of the day a lot of being considered a GM is luck. Did the Pats make a good selection with Brady in rd 6? No. They completely misevaluated him and got lucky that the rest of the league did too.
In reality, Accorsi SHOULDNT have traded for Eli. It worked out for the Giants but simply drafting Rothlisburger would have been better management of assets.
Are you serious?
"luck" is when you take a UDFA like Cruz and he turns into a top 10 receiver for 3 years.
"skill" is taking a drafted player in rounds 4-7 and turning him into an average starter.
Drafting David Diehl in the 5th round meant the Giants completely misevaluated his talents. Just like they did earlier in the draft when they drafted William Joseph BEFORE drafting Osi Umenyiora.
That Diehl was still available in the fifth rd meant the entire NFL had misevaluated his talent including the Giants who took players like William Josehp and Willie Ponder before drafting Diehl.
your analysis is far too narrow in scope.
that's not how it works.
I think it's actually a really fair assessment. You can't go giving a GM credit for late round picks that hit if they also have significant busts in earlier rounds of the same draft, especially if you're unwilling to accept that a good portion of draft record is tied to luck. Should any GM get credit for thinking that William Joseph was orders of magnitude better than David Diehl no matter how much of a steal Diehl turned out to be?
"in the phone booth"
Maybe read the OP?
Remember how he man-handled Vince Wilfork; the Pats were forced to reposition Wilfork away from him.
The draft is like any investment. Skilled analysts make informed decisions about future outcomes. The externalaties are myriad. The best GM is taking players with the high picks that require historically fewer things to turn well, to be successful. And conversely sight the low licks, players who need more things to turn well to be successful.
Brady and Diehl went where they should have. The market dictated it. They both needed lots of historical outlying factors to occur to be successful.
That Brady is among the best ever is statistically bananas sure. But retroactively assuming Brady in an alternate circumstance would have faired the same doesn't hold water.
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If flowers had trouble blocking Julius peppers on the left side he will be Better blocking jj watt on the right side because he's a natural right handed person?
Yes you are, if you've ever blocked it's a struggle to go to your opposite hand side which is why good LTs are so rare. It's like finding a good LHP in baseball. Ah nevermind, you don't seem to want to think or discuss but throw stones and be a tw@ so move along.
Good stuff Joey.
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If flowers had trouble blocking Julius peppers on the left side he will be Better blocking jj watt on the right side because he's a natural right handed person?
Yes you are, if you've ever blocked it's a struggle to go to your opposite hand side which is why good LTs are so rare. It's like finding a good LHP in baseball. Ah nevermind, you don't seem to want to think or discuss but throw stones and be a tw@ so move along.
Tw@ts aside, the Thrill Ride wonders if Flower's easiest transition would be staying on the left side and sliding into guard, where the basic techniques and footwork would be more easily transferable.
Remember, this was Solari's first year and Flowers often looked technically lost. Even despite the arm dominance, moving to right side might entail another transitional period. And we know this is a player who struggles in space (i.e. vs Eagles, vs Harrison) and that might remain true regardless of which side of the line plays. Coupled with his slow learning curve, this might simply relocate his liability to a similarly high leverage position.
Thrill Ride thinks left guard might be the safest answer. Downside = removing Pugh from a spot where he's blossomed, which is not a desirable outcome either but at least tenable. And would open up the FA market to natural RT's. Thus, this dark horse outcome for next year's OL:
Pugh Flowers Richburg ?? ???
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If flowers had trouble blocking Julius peppers on the left side he will be Better blocking jj watt on the right side because he's a natural right handed person?
Yes you are, if you've ever blocked it's a struggle to go to your opposite hand side which is why good LTs are so rare. It's like finding a good LHP in baseball. Ah nevermind, you don't seem to want to think or discuss but throw stones and be a tw@ so move along.
Tw@ts aside, the Thrill Ride wonders if Flower's easiest transition would be staying on the left side and sliding into guard, where the basic techniques and footwork would be more easily transferable.
Remember, this was Solari's first year and Flowers often looked technically lost. Even despite the arm dominance, moving to right side might entail another transitional period. And we know this is a player who struggles in space (i.e. vs Eagles, vs Harrison) and that might remain true regardless of which side of the line plays. Coupled with his slow learning curve, this might simply relocate his liability to a similarly high leverage position.
Thrill Ride thinks left guard might be the safest answer. Downside = removing Pugh from a spot where he's blossomed, which is not a desirable outcome either but at least tenable. And would open up the FA market to natural RT's. Thus, this dark horse outcome for next year's OL:
Pugh Flowers Richburg ?? ???
Sounds good to me. Sign TJ Lang to play RG.
Maybe they like Hart at RT? If not, draft a RT 2nd or 3rd.
I'd love to see Flowers stay at the OT position because of his brute strength, be it OLT or ORT rather than move him to Right Guard.
I think there is a decent chance they look for a new LT, and the right side of line is some configuration of Flowers, and Hart.
Myself, I'd like a new RG. I like Lang and Ziegler, but don't expect either to make it to the market. Warford is a good option.
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If flowers had trouble blocking Julius peppers on the left side he will be Better blocking jj watt on the right side because he's a natural right handed person?
Yes you are, if you've ever blocked it's a struggle to go to your opposite hand side which is why good LTs are so rare. It's like finding a good LHP in baseball. Ah nevermind, you don't seem to want to think or discuss but throw stones and be a tw@ so move along.
Tw@ts aside, the Thrill Ride wonders if Flower's easiest transition would be staying on the left side and sliding into guard, where the basic techniques and footwork would be more easily transferable.
Remember, this was Solari's first year and Flowers often looked technically lost. Even despite the arm dominance, moving to right side might entail another transitional period. And we know this is a player who struggles in space (i.e. vs Eagles, vs Harrison) and that might remain true regardless of which side of the line plays. Coupled with his slow learning curve, this might simply relocate his liability to a similarly high leverage position.
Thrill Ride thinks left guard might be the safest answer. Downside = removing Pugh from a spot where he's blossomed, which is not a desirable outcome either but at least tenable. And would open up the FA market to natural RT's. Thus, this dark horse outcome for next year's OL:
Pugh Flowers Richburg ?? ???
Also good post, geeg
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free agency signings have been pretty awful in the Reese era. Not saying that can't change, but we've drafted a lot better OL than we have signed.
yep. Biggest difference between Ernie and Jerry is in this area. Ernie signed McKenzie and O'Hara in FA, Seubert as UDFA. Jerry signed Baas, Jerry, Newhouse, Reynolds
Accorsi trotted out some shit lines himself. He just got lucky with Diehl/Seubert as 5th and UDFA and got lucky that Ohara blossomed here after signing a modest deal as a FA.
At the end of the day a lot of being considered a GM is luck. Did the Pats make a good selection with Brady in rd 6? No. They completely misevaluated him and got lucky that the rest of the league did too.
In reality, Accorsi SHOULDNT have traded for Eli. It worked out for the Giants but simply drafting Rothlisburger would have been better management of assets.
Are you serious?
"luck" is when you take a UDFA like Cruz and he turns into a top 10 receiver for 3 years.
"skill" is taking a drafted player in rounds 4-7 and turning him into an average starter.
Drafting David Diehl in the 5th round meant the Giants completely misevaluated his talents. Just like they did earlier in the draft when they drafted William Joseph BEFORE drafting Osi Umenyiora.
That Diehl was still available in the fifth rd meant the entire NFL had misevaluated his talent including the Giants who took players like William Josehp and Willie Ponder before drafting Diehl.
Laughing....you have me laughing.
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If flowers had trouble blocking Julius peppers on the left side he will be Better blocking jj watt on the right side because he's a natural right handed person?
Yes you are, if you've ever blocked it's a struggle to go to your opposite hand side which is why good LTs are so rare. It's like finding a good LHP in baseball. Ah nevermind, you don't seem to want to think or discuss but throw stones and be a tw@ so move along.
Tw@ts aside, the Thrill Ride wonders if Flower's easiest transition would be staying on the left side and sliding into guard, where the basic techniques and footwork would be more easily transferable.
Remember, this was Solari's first year and Flowers often looked technically lost. Even despite the arm dominance, moving to right side might entail another transitional period. And we know this is a player who struggles in space (i.e. vs Eagles, vs Harrison) and that might remain true regardless of which side of the line plays. Coupled with his slow learning curve, this might simply relocate his liability to a similarly high leverage position.
Thrill Ride thinks left guard might be the safest answer. Downside = removing Pugh from a spot where he's blossomed, which is not a desirable outcome either but at least tenable. And would open up the FA market to natural RT's. Thus, this dark horse outcome for next year's OL:
Pugh Flowers Richburg ?? ???
Also good post, geeg
I know gg from another board, and he is not nearly as funny or gif-savvy as the Thrill Ride Jimmy Preston.
Think if you emailed the mods for an IP match, results would be a surprise.
"in the phone booth"
I tend to agree. I would like to see him at least be a Tackle first since that's what the Giants drafted him as, regardless if it was supposed to be on the left side or the right side. His flaw may hinder him more than they'd like (flailing arms and being caught off balance by speed rushers). His situation is somewhat reminiscent of Big William Roberts's back in the mid 80s whenthe Giants drafted him as an OT in 1984 in Round #1. He turned out to be a fine Guard after not working out at Tackle. This off-season is going to be big for Flowers as well as Solari's and MacAdoo's opinions moving forward after reviewing his overall performance this season.
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If flowers had trouble blocking Julius peppers on the left side he will be Better blocking jj watt on the right side because he's a natural right handed person?
Yes you are, if you've ever blocked it's a struggle to go to your opposite hand side which is why good LTs are so rare. It's like finding a good LHP in baseball. Ah nevermind, you don't seem to want to think or discuss but throw stones and be a tw@ so move along.
Tw@ts aside, the Thrill Ride wonders if Flower's easiest transition would be staying on the left side and sliding into guard, where the basic techniques and footwork would be more easily transferable.
Remember, this was Solari's first year and Flowers often looked technically lost. Even despite the arm dominance, moving to right side might entail another transitional period. And we know this is a player who struggles in space (i.e. vs Eagles, vs Harrison) and that might remain true regardless of which side of the line plays. Coupled with his slow learning curve, this might simply relocate his liability to a similarly high leverage position.
Thrill Ride thinks left guard might be the safest answer. Downside = removing Pugh from a spot where he's blossomed, which is not a desirable outcome either but at least tenable. And would open up the FA market to natural RT's. Thus, this dark horse outcome for next year's OL:
Pugh Flowers Richburg ?? ???
Also good post, geeg
I know gg from another board, and he is not nearly as funny or gif-savvy as the Thrill Ride Jimmy Preston.
Think if you emailed the mods for an IP match, results would be a surprise.
Not buyin' for a second..Must kill you to respond to me without a condescending dig..😎😜👍👏🏼😍
Should be your first clue I'm not gg. Cute emoji's tho
Agreed, he's got good insights. I enjoy exchanging ideas with him on the board; recently he posted some detailed position-by-position thoughts on the FA class (he likes a certain RB with dreadlocks and a Coach Mac connection).
Any IP check would link me to some a couple other usernames. One dupe (JonCryer, a comic masterpiece), and another long-time handle. I'm being sincere when I say Thrill Ride =/= gg.
Also if you've seen the Thrill Ride on youtube, you'd deduce pretty quickly that it's more of a millennial thing. Thrill Allen/Peterson has been flirtin with floozies and smashing smokes since being born in '86, same year Parcells and co won the SB - coincidence?
Also agree with EddieNYG as to what the line should look like next year with Whitworth at LT, Zeitler at RG and Flowers at RT. Could really play some power football with that line. Let's hope Jerry thinks so too.
And speaking about the line, there are two OL that the Giants should consider with their second round pick: Dion Dawkins from Temple and Tyrone Crowder from Clemson. Either would be excellent depth.
Lastly, as much as we all want the line fixed and with the generally agreed upon first step being to move Flowers to the right side, don't be surprised if Jerry's "evaluation" of everyone concludes with "we think are Ereck Flowers has the tools to be a good LT in this league" and stands pat on that. Don't let his BS with the media fool you. He was just telling them what they all wanted to hear. For now.
Spending cash on gray-bearded geezers is folly. We go through this every year; everybody wants a name they recognize, even if they are collecting social security.
Spending cash on gray-bearded geezers is folly. We go through this every year; everybody wants a name they recognize, even if they are collecting social security.
It's easy to make an argument with labels. Here is another - Pro-Bowl LT. As Giants fans, it is hard for us to conceptualize such a player. Our last pro-bowl LT was Jumbo, 20+ years ago. We could do much worse than signing a healthy, pro-bowl LT. Signing Whitworth and he immediately becomes our best lineman.
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is not a wise allocation of resources. The dude is 35.
Spending cash on gray-bearded geezers is folly. We go through this every year; everybody wants a name they recognize, even if they are collecting social security.
It's easy to make an argument with labels. Here is another - Pro-Bowl LT. As Giants fans, it is hard for us to conceptualize such a player. Our last pro-bowl LT was Jumbo, 20+ years ago. We could do much worse than signing a healthy, pro-bowl LT. Signing Whitworth and he immediately becomes our best lineman.
DD, thanks for bringing back this thread, I had forgotten about it..😎 Question: What do you feel would be an acceptable contract to the Giants.? Too, what would he command?
Spending cash on gray-bearded geezers is folly. We go through this every year; everybody wants a name they recognize, even if they are collecting social security.
Remember Lomas Brown? He played very well for the Giants in a similar situation..
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is not a wise allocation of resources. The dude is 35.
Spending cash on gray-bearded geezers is folly. We go through this every year; everybody wants a name they recognize, even if they are collecting social security.
It's easy to make an argument with labels. Here is another - Pro-Bowl LT. As Giants fans, it is hard for us to conceptualize such a player. Our last pro-bowl LT was Jumbo, 20+ years ago. We could do much worse than signing a healthy, pro-bowl LT. Signing Whitworth and he immediately becomes our best lineman.
DD, thanks for bringing back this thread, I had forgotten about it..😎 Question: What do you feel would be an acceptable contract to the Giants.? Too, what would he command?
I forgot the thread also. I was looking at drkenneth's posting history as he only seems to follow other threads with input degrading others or chiming in above with Joey's assertion that a poster is a tw@. But back to your point.
I think Whitworth will hit the market. He has played his entire career for the Bengals so the sentimental factor is that he might just retire not wanting to play for anyone else. I don't think Cinc. will bring him back (except for a ceremonial retirement contract). They have invested draft picks in young talent that has been unable to match Whitworth's talent so they have been kicking the can on him with 1 and 2 year contracts.
This will be Whitworth's last contract if only as a stopgap for a team. With a weak OL draft and team's flush with cap room, who knows the top value he can earn. He's been playing for 8-9 mil/year for the past 3 years. He'll likely not settle for anything less as the past kick-the-can contracts have not been adjusted for market inflation (remember our oft-injured guard's cap hit is in the 8 mil neighborhood). The biggest negative is his age. That everyone can agree on. No one will agree that signing older players is great for roster building. He is not building the roster. He is a stop-gap, band-aid for failed development of OL players.