What the Stats Say - JPP

to judge whether or not someone is rushing the passer? Do QB hurries not count? How much could Clowney command? He made the all pro team, but only has 6 sacks.

players who get all their stats against the Tyron Smith's of the world.

if you watched the games and didn't feel like JPP played well, beyond well in fact, both against the run and pressuring the QB, then base your opinion on that - what your eyes saw, not who his sacks came against. That seems awful shallow for an analysis.

I think he did play well. I'm not sure what he's worth from a contract standpoint, but I do believe he's a rarity in the NFL today playing stout run D and possessing very good pass rush skills and the Giants defense is better with him than without him.

The rest I'll let Reese and co figure out.

Even when he was not getting sacks he was a force against the run...getting QB hits, pressure, and generally disruptive...I am sure in addition he was amongst the league leaders for blocks by a DE...young talented 2 way DE..that is athletic with length don't grow on trees..,.and outside of Clowney and Watt...there is not a single DE in the league I would take over JPP...who should be franchised immediately with the promise that he will get paid this off season...either the Giants decide to pay...or they trade JPP for picks..so in both scenarios...the Giants win..

Stats say his sacks numbers were excelerating as he got deeper into the season.

Hell, he'd just won NFL DPOW award the week before we lost him.

He also had:

24 hurries (14th in NFL despite missing 4+ games)
8 passes defensed
3 forced fumbles
1 fumble recovery
3 stuffs
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all DL in snaps when he got hurt.

if this team dropped the Bears or Browns games? I don't even want to think about it.

JPP's monster efforts in both games really put those games away.

The JPP stat cherry pickers are all around.

By the way, JPP has made a habit out of beating Tyron Smith (who is a dominant player in his own right) like a drum.

Mark my words once he gets paid, he will be done...we will regret it for years if we sign him.

This is Ron Dayne all over again...JPP is much better overall of course but it's the same thing...WAITING FOR YEARS for this guy to be DOMINATE...it's never going to happen. He just does enough to flash every year where people get sucked into thinking he is going to be the player we all thought he was going to be. Like that first year in both of their cases...

Did play well esp after a couple games under his belt. Its not all about the sacks. That said he also got hurt again. So the issue is about his continued health and how much he wants.

JPP is Ron Dayne. BBI is awesome.

In comment 13330240 Shockwave said:

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Mark my words once he gets paid, he will be done...we will regret it for years if we sign him. This is Ron Dayne all over again...JPP is much better overall of course but it's the same thing...WAITING FOR YEARS for this guy to be DOMINATE...it's never going to happen. He just does enough to flash every year where people get sucked into thinking he is going to be the player we all thought he was going to be. Like that first year in both of their cases...

Don't take offense to this, but you have no idea what you're watching.

thought he was awesome. I just don't want to pay him OV money, which is what I think he wants. At a minimum.

don't realize JPP has earned over $35M just from his football contracts in his career already.

He's not a late round draft pick or UDFA making a push for his one big contract.

Now I'll never get involved in someone else's finances or say when someone has enough money, but with any sort of decent money management the guy has earned more than most of you on this board will earn in your lifetimes + your spouses.

why all of a sudden would getting paid influence him to no longer try?

And JPP has made pro-bowls (multiple) and been selected all-pro comparing him with Ron Dayne makes the poster look idiotic even more.

In the five games before JPP got hurt OV had 7 sacks. In the five games after JPP got hurt OV had .5 sacks. Someone, please verify this, but pretty sure I read that. That is not a coincidence.

Huh?

Ok thanks.

In comment 13330322 GeoMan999 said:

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In the five games before JPP got hurt OV had 7 sacks. In the five games after JPP got hurt OV had .5 sacks. Someone, please verify this, but pretty sure I read that. That is not a coincidence.

Vernon had 8 sacks in the 12 JPP games and 0.5 the rest of the season. He also had seven of eight tackles for a loss in the first 12 games.

Surprisingly, I guess, Vernon had no balls batted away at the line of scrimmage, while JPP had eight according to PFF.

A pass batted down at the line of scrimmage should be worth, hmmmm, a half a sack? You don't get the hit on the QB and the loss of yardage, but there's no chance of a completed pass.

It seems pretty obvious that if you remove one active DE, the other will be compromised. You can't double team both.

with meaningless stats. Give it up guys, he was a beast and this Ron Dayne stuff is nonsense. We don't contend for the division title next year without him.

Amazing how some can speak with such authority to a man s character when they have probably never even met that man.

First off, JPPs dominance in those two games may very well be the reason we beat the shitty bears n browns. Could of been 9-7 with no playoffs because this team couldnt beat shit teams. It truly felt like jpp single handedly woke up the dmn giants n got them going in that bears game. U can also say he was finally getting it all together n truly starting to look like 2011 jpp n it wasnt just the competition. Even some of the best dont dominate n totally control the game against shit teams. Even shit teams have some decent linemen, they r all professionals. U cant just ignore what he did. Reese has a hard decision. I think ppl on here r trying to make their excuses so when the time comes, they can feel good about wutever happens. IMO, with Eli being 36, u gotta go for it. U need ur front 4 to dominate. thats how u win. Blitzes n a great secondary does not always work. Especially in this league with all the rules geared to offense. Vernon needs help, needs another threat for the O line/qb to worry about while the RB is scared of snacks. I dont care what happened in the dal,det n was games. I kno what i saw. no pressure from front 4. Which I believe gives you the best chance to win If reese can only sign one, I would take the chance on the bigger contract with JPP. It can be risky, but at this stage the reward is too big. Its all about SB victories. Snacks is a beast, maybe even replace hankins with a guy who has the skills to rush the passer as well from the inside. That is if they choose just one to sign. I like Hankins too.

Not going into name calling on that one.

He is hands down one of the Top Defensive Players in
football . I think the Giants will do whatever it takes
to keep him . The Pass rush was lost without him .
We have to fix our Broken Offense this year after
fixing our Broken Defense Last Year .

is that the rumor in Dallas is that he is going to be one of their top targets if he hits free agency.