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NFT: Bradley/Chelsea Manning sentence commuted

Dunedin81 : 1/17/2017 4:46 pm
Will be released in May. Julian Assange had pledged to face trial if Manning received clemency, whether or not this commutation will qualify remains to be seen. Refraining from editorial comment but it is a consequential story.
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But that's not what that said...  
Dunedin81 : 1/18/2017 2:14 pm : link
that testimony didn't say nobody died as a result, it said they couldn't specifically identify someone whose death was attributable to Manning. It's also in their interest to minimize the fallout of a leak like this.
RE: RE: It's so precious to see  
The 12th Man : 1/18/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13331402 Dunedin81 said:
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how some posters need to cram the masculine pronoun into a post as many times as possible.



It's also precious to see that people are more concerned about Manning's gender decision than about national security and the lives his disclosures put at risk.


Bingo! You nailed it right on the head! If this individual was not a transgender he would not be commuting the sentence.
I'm more concerned that  
Beer Man : 1/18/2017 2:21 pm : link
we may see a pardon for Bo Bergdahl.
RE: RE: RE: It's so precious to see  
Dunedin81 : 1/18/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13331434 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 13331402 Dunedin81 said:


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In comment 13331395 Mr. Bungle said:


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how some posters need to cram the masculine pronoun into a post as many times as possible.



It's also precious to see that people are more concerned about Manning's gender decision than about national security and the lives his disclosures put at risk.



Bingo! You nailed it right on the head! If this individual was not a transgender he would not be commuting the sentence.


I have no opinion on that. I'm talking about the commentary, here and elsewhere.
The President is on saying the sentence  
The 12th Man : 1/18/2017 2:35 pm : link
she received was a tough sentence. He made sure he used the pro-noun she several times. This is a disgrace what he has done. Military people must be sick to their stomach over this decision. Even his Secy of Defense is against this.

He also said he does not pay much attention to Assange's tweets. Yeah now that the election is over he could care less.
RE: I'm more concerned that  
njm : 1/18/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13331440 Beer Man said:
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we may see a pardon for Bo Bergdahl.


Considering that there is no doubt that soldiers were killed and wounded in the search for him that would surpass Marc Rich as the most egregious abuse of the pardon power in my lifetime.
RE: RE: I'm more concerned that  
Dunedin81 : 1/18/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13331477 njm said:
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In comment 13331440 Beer Man said:


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we may see a pardon for Bo Bergdahl.



Considering that there is no doubt that soldiers were killed and wounded in the search for him that would surpass Marc Rich as the most egregious abuse of the pardon power in my lifetime.


Officially the posture is the same as with Manning, "no evidence that...." but unofficially a number of individuals have named people whose deaths are indirectly attributable to the hunt for him. The difference is that with Manning you're talking about sources and partners, much of that is going to be classified or the consequences difficult to attribute, so you're not likely to have people jumping up and down and saying otherwise.
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RC02XX : 1/18/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13331495 Dunedin81 said:
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Officially the posture is the same as with Manning, "no evidence that...." but unofficially a number of individuals have named people whose deaths are indirectly attributable to the hunt for him. The difference is that with Manning you're talking about sources and partners, much of that is going to be classified or the consequences difficult to attribute, so you're not likely to have people jumping up and down and saying otherwise.


Eh...who knows what happened as result of Manning's actions. It's all speculations with regards to his impact on sources, etc. I'm sure our own actions (or inactions) with regards to how we just used and discarded many of our local interpreters in Iraq and Afghanistan resulted in more people (who helped us out) getting killed than any action Manning took. What most likely resulted from Manning's actions was it gave our military, agencies, and foreign policy black eyes to the public and our foreign partners.
RE: RE: I'm more concerned that  
bradshaw44 : 1/18/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13331477 njm said:
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In comment 13331440 Beer Man said:


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we may see a pardon for Bo Bergdahl.



Considering that there is no doubt that soldiers were killed and wounded in the search for him that would surpass Marc Rich as the most egregious abuse of the pardon power in my lifetime.


I bet he does get pardoned. And the argument is that there is no proof that anyone was injured directly while searching for him.
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njm : 1/18/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13331549 bradshaw44 said:
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I bet he does get pardoned. And the argument is that there is no proof that anyone was injured directly while searching for him.


I'd say the odds are against it.
I don't think Bergdahl gets pardoned  
Greg from LI : 1/18/2017 4:07 pm : link
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RE: Manning and Snowden aren't the same  
Beer Man : 1/18/2017 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13331413 Heisenberg said:
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Manning had lower clearance and stuck around for prosecution.

Snowden had a higher level of clearance and ran to fucking Russia. Bradley Manning leak did not result in deaths by enemy forces, court hears - ( New Window )
Snowden was never going to get a pardon from this President anyway. Obama was pissed that the guy let the cat out of the bag about the NSA program to collect phone record meta-data on all Americans.
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