Allin? Make a move to sign Eric Berry?

Cruel or insensitive as it may sound (not my intent), he could come out of remission at any time

I don't think it works out like you think it does.

Almost as much as I love the notion of drafting a Middle Linebacker with our first round draft pick. But I don't think either will happen.

Sad.

not a smart idea imo.

simply diminishing returns.

We are better off resigning JPP or signing a LT.

claims we can sign everybody and stay under the cap in addition to digging up a few all-time greats for the team.

It seems unlikely that KC would let him slip away.

But if they did, I'd much rather sign Eric Berry than JPP. Not even close.

sure.

The reason he isn't re-upping with the chiefs to this point is that he expects to be paid a truckload.

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We need those resources to re-sign our defensive free agents and to get offensive help.

So, if there was a chance then I would absolutely explore the possibility but I don't think it would be feasible to allocate that amount of money there. We would create another need in terms of either DT or DE. Even if we sign both JPP and Hankins we still need a pass rusher in addition to them. Yes, we can use one of our first couple of picks on them. But then we would have little left to address the OL and other positions. I am totally one for keeping a strength a strength because balance isn't always best but our OL needs a major upgrade. There are too many pieces that need a good OL in order to function. As much as I would love a WR like Corey Davis I think if we fix the OL then Lewis and King among others can produce enough for us. I would love the OT from Wisconsin and the DE from Villanova in the first 2 rounds. Build up those lines and we are talking about a true contender.

In comment 13330319 yatqb said:

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He wanted $12m last season, and played on the tag at $10.8m last year, turning in yet another first-team all pro season.

If they tag him again that number becomes even more punishing. Tagging a player two years in a row is not very team friendly at all.

For a player to be given the tag in two straight years, a team has to pay him 120 percent of his previous salary. If a team wants to franchise a player in three straight years, it would have to pay him 144 percent of his previous salary.

In comment 13330324 robbieballs2003 said:

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So, if there was a chance then I would absolutely explore the possibility but I don't think it would be feasible to allocate that amount of money there. We would create another need in terms of either DT or DE. Even if we sign both JPP and Hankins we still need a pass rusher in addition to them. Yes, we can use one of our first couple of picks on them. But then we would have little left to address the OL and other positions. I am totally one for keeping a strength a strength because balance isn't always best but our OL needs a major upgrade. There are too many pieces that need a good OL in order to function. As much as I would love a WR like Corey Davis I think if we fix the OL then Lewis and King among others can produce enough for us. I would love the OT from Wisconsin and the DE from Villanova in the first 2 rounds. Build up those lines and we are talking about a true contender.

This idea that we're going ot resign both JPP and Hankins needs to die.

its not a proper allocation of resources given how much guaranteed money is going to Vernon and Harrison.


We will most likely resign 1 of JPP/Hankins and then go after a LT.

You can't have two DE's each making $80m.

The good teams in this league part ways in good faith a draft a young, cost controlled replacement.

In comment 13330334 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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You can't have two DE's each making $80m. The good teams in this league part ways in good faith a draft a young, cost controlled replacement.

Exactly.

At this point i think it is more likely that we sign 2 OL, and 1 OLB than 1 of JPP/Hankins.

He isn't as good as JPP, but he's shown himself to be a promising player at the position and is obviously dirt cheap. Draft a guy and you can move forward there.

What we don't have is a known quantity to replace Hankins if he leaves or DRC if he's cut.

I might even go DE in the 2nd Rd.

I know OL is the priority, but draftniks have been saying this isn't a great draft for offensive line to begin with.

In comment 13330346 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I might even go DE in the 2nd Rd. I know OL is the priority, but draftniks have been saying this isn't a great draft for offensive line to begin with.

I don't know that the draft is the avenue to fix the OL. That area needs immediate help; rookies come with question marks even if they're first rounders.

I'm not sure we're going to see huge personnel changes on the offensive line in 2017. The FA market doesn't seem to have many big options this year. I'm hoping that the young guys Hart and Jones can ascend, and maybe they're joined by a modest FA addition. Hopefully a year of experience for everyone involved, the reintroduction of Johnson at FB, and a greater role for Perkins result in a better offensive line.

In comment 13330302 Big Blue '56 said:

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Cruel or insensitive as it may sound (not my intent), he could come out of remission at any time

That true..But I'm sure Berry isn't his life thinking about it. Remission can last month, 12 months, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20...or a lifetime and can die from something unrelated.

Live on the edge I believe. I highly doubt he'll hit the open market, but if he did, go for it!

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In comment 13330302 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Cruel or insensitive as it may sound (not my intent), he could come out of remission at any time That's true..But I'm sure Berry isn't living his life thinking about it. Remission can last month, 12 months, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20...or a lifetime and can die from something unrelated. Live on the edge I believe. I highly doubt he'll hit the open market, but if he did, go for it!

In comment 13330352 micky said:

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In comment 13330302 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Cruel or insensitive as it may sound (not my intent), he could come out of remission at any time That true..But I'm sure Berry isn't his life thinking about it. Remission can last month, 12 months, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20...or a lifetime and can die from something unrelated. Live on the edge I believe. I highly doubt he'll hit the open market, but if he did, go for it!

Making sense, per usual..👍

In comment 13330345 Go Terps said:

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He isn't as good as JPP, but he's shown himself to be a promising player at the position and is obviously dirt cheap. Draft a guy and you can move forward there. What we don't have is a known quantity to replace Hankins if he leaves or DRC if he's cut.

Promising? Based on one game? He did nothing except for that game.

We don't have the cap resources to invest in that type of defensive contract with what we need to get done on the other side of the ball.

It's simple math. Berry isn't coming to NY.

In comment 13330409 chris r said:

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In comment 13330345 Go Terps said: Quote: He isn't as good as JPP, but he's shown himself to be a promising player at the position and is obviously dirt cheap. Draft a guy and you can move forward there. What we don't have is a known quantity to replace Hankins if he leaves or DRC if he's cut. Promising? Based on one game? He did nothing except for that game.

In the isolated comparison of JPP vs Okwara, it's no contest, but did the defense as a whole perform materially worse after JPP hit IR?

Cap room is a finite resource and roster construction is a holistic endeavor. What is JPP's incremental value vs his incremental cost? In terms of cap value and utility of resources, I'm not sure retaining JPP is the wisest move, independent of anyone's faith in Okwara to ascend to that role. And that's without factoring for injury history.

Berry is probably about the same cost as JPP. Plenty of people have suggested resigning him.

...splurging on a FS is a luxury we don't have.

would be crazy to let him go.

They need to focus their resources towards fixing the offensive line, adding a pass rusher or two, adding a DT if Hankins leaves, bringing in a receiver to play on the outside opposite Beckham, a TE, and a MLB.

I don't see NYG spending $12M on a FS, and not in a capped league.

Pipedream.