Yes, it's a dick move for him to do that, but the system is so lopsided against the kids. The letter of intent seems almost criminal to me in the restrictions it puts on the student while carrying so little obligation on the school's part. It's disappoint to see a school do this, but it's set up to give them all the power.
he still was on scholarship. Kid tells Monmouth he committed to UConn, Edsall pulls scholarship,Monmouth gives that scholarship to someone else & the kid is screwed!If you're the new coach(ie old coach),don't tell the kid he still has his scholarship if he doesn't!Scumbag move!!!
and it should be a non-story but it gained traction because it's written out like a sob story, look what happened to this amazingly good kid, his dreams are crushed kind of thing. It certainly sucks for him but it's not like he was recruited by Edsall who gave him the finger at the last minute instead. And apparently other schools have been in touch with the kid. He'll be fine and he'll be playing football somewhere.
And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
and it should be a non-story but it gained traction because it's written out like a sob story, look what happened to this amazingly good kid, his dreams are crushed kind of thing. It certainly sucks for him but it's not like he was recruited by Edsall who gave him the finger at the last minute instead. And apparently other schools have been in touch with the kid. He'll be fine and he'll be playing football somewhere.
And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
When was the last time you heard that a kid did this?
Sounds like common-law detrimental reliance to me. I'm sure that the school has a clause in the letter-of-intent to address this but a simpathetic judge might not care.
you've got to give him a pass - this is the status quo in college football on both sides. Coaches over-recruit and leave kids hanging, and kids decommit all the time and even make a show of it.
College recruiting is shady in general - best not to follow until National Signing Day.
but the head coach shouldn't have told him his scholarship was good and the asst. coach shouldn't have met with him as if everything was good. If Edsell got the job, evaluated film and told players that they were no longer being offered, I could see that...but that isn't exactly what happened and makes this worse. And, yes, I know it probably happens all the time in every program.
To be blunt if this was an inner city kid with a 2.7 GPA and a record you would have never heard anything about it. It's only getting attention because a lot people in CT are still sore about how Edsall left Uconn last time and because the kid in question seems to be a "good kid".
and especially in the short revolving carousel of coaching changes. Fact is that coaching shelf lives are much shorter now than they were even a decade ago. Social media, the media, the fans and alumni don't have much patience for even three or four years of struggle. That causes a much more fluid recruiting cycle for the incoming coaches and potential student-athletes.
While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Edsel was hated at Maryland. Treated players awful. Treated student fans awful. He is not missed. POS
Agreed, but the larger point is that this isn't different than anywhere else in the country. In fact when Durkin arrived, he didn't even communicate with some Edsall commits until they upped and left.
Edsall should be coaching in the Ivy League or the Patriot League. Fundamentally, he's a decent guy and his kids graduate, but not a good fit at the major D-1 level.
a new coach revoking an existing scholarship. This displayed a complete lack of integrity and respect for the kid and Edsall should be ashamed of himself.
he just got an offer from Rhode Island and other schools like Syracuse, Princeton, Dartmouth, Columbia and New Hampshire have contacted him. He's better off escaping Edsall and UConn.
It's not the right thing - what Edsall did - and the business of college football will come to a head at some point. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't give a shit about its student-athletes. It is most concerned with making money and running a monopoly over amateur athletics.
It sucks for the kid, don't get me wrong. Where are the articles about players committing and reopening their recruitment for any reason?
Only reason why this is getting pub is because it's a good kid from New Jersey. Syracuse, Rutgers, and the big boys all do this. Until the NCAA implements a new signing period, this will continue.
RE: I agree a new coach should choose who he is offering scholarships to-
but the head coach shouldn't have told him his scholarship was good and the asst. coach shouldn't have met with him as if everything was good. If Edsell got the job, evaluated film and told players that they were no longer being offered, I could see that...but that isn't exactly what happened and makes this worse. And, yes, I know it probably happens all the time in every program.
Not trying to make excuses because its shitty any way around, but the unreported piece here is Edsall made his first statement to the kid prior to hiring a coordinator who is changing the base defense to a 3-3-5; no D coordinator was on hand during the first round of conversations, kid was told he didn't fit the defense the day after the new coordinator was hired. Better to honor the commitment and have a kid ride pine for 4 years because he doesn't fit the new D? Or lay out the truth as soon as possible?
While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Scumbag from Syracuse University, thrashing one of your own? You okay up there, bud?
and it should be a non-story but it gained traction because it's written out like a sob story, look what happened to this amazingly good kid, his dreams are crushed kind of thing. It certainly sucks for him but it's not like he was recruited by Edsall who gave him the finger at the last minute instead. And apparently other schools have been in touch with the kid. He'll be fine and he'll be playing football somewhere.
And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
When was the last time you heard that a kid did this?
Agreed. And actually, Edsal DID give him the finger at the last minute after reassuring him. If Edsal had said he was reevaluating upon taking the job it would have been a different story.
While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Scumbag from Syracuse University, thrashing one of your own? You okay up there, bud?
I have no allegiance to Edsall. He was before my time there and everything points to him being a selfish prick. Cuse or not, I've heard more bad things than I care to mention here.
RE: RE: I agree a new coach should choose who he is offering scholarships to-
but the head coach shouldn't have told him his scholarship was good and the asst. coach shouldn't have met with him as if everything was good. If Edsell got the job, evaluated film and told players that they were no longer being offered, I could see that...but that isn't exactly what happened and makes this worse. And, yes, I know it probably happens all the time in every program.
Not trying to make excuses because its shitty any way around, but the unreported piece here is Edsall made his first statement to the kid prior to hiring a coordinator who is changing the base defense to a 3-3-5; no D coordinator was on hand during the first round of conversations, kid was told he didn't fit the defense the day after the new coordinator was hired. Better to honor the commitment and have a kid ride pine for 4 years because he doesn't fit the new D? Or lay out the truth as soon as possible?
After reassuring him, perhaps he should have informed him of the change and given him a choice.
While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Scumbag from Syracuse University, thrashing one of your own? You okay up there, bud?
I have no allegiance to Edsall. He was before my time there and everything points to him being a selfish prick. Cuse or not, I've heard more bad things than I care to mention here.
There are two sides to every story. I work with a guy who played under Edsall all four years and can't speak highly enough about him. It seems that all his former players from UConn were pumped that he is back running the program. Obviously his time at Maryland wasn't too good but the culture/pressure to win there was much greater than at UConn and possibly could had changed his philosophies.
One thing I will add, I HATE that his parents went to the media with this, I get it, your son is hurt and should be. UConn didn't have the defensive coordinator on board yet when Edsall supposedly assured him his scholarship. Once the coordinator settled in and looked at the tape, he decided he wasn't going to be a fit for the new defense they were running. It's a no win situation for anyone, you can honor the scholarship and let the kid mope and ride the pine all four years or you can tell him to look somewhere else that may offer the opportunity to actually play. Again, I feel for the kid and his family, I do. The uproar that this is getting from a small UConn program his hilarious. Where was this uproar with Harbaugh pulling scholarship offers? I don't get it. ESPN and that ass clown Feinbaum can kick rocks.
From me by a school in California before I "officially" verbaled. I won't name the school but it was handled very, very poorly. Ironically, it was probably the best thing that happened to me. I never would have survived so far from home at that point in my life. This kid will be fine and he should use this as motivation to work even harder.
and it should be a non-story but it gained traction because it's written out like a sob story, look what happened to this amazingly good kid, his dreams are crushed kind of thing. It certainly sucks for him but it's not like he was recruited by Edsall who gave him the finger at the last minute instead. And apparently other schools have been in touch with the kid. He'll be fine and he'll be playing football somewhere.
And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
When was the last time you heard that a kid did this?
Agreed. And actually, Edsal DID give him the finger at the last minute after reassuring him. If Edsal had said he was reevaluating upon taking the job it would have been a different story.
That is the part that i was pointing out but seemed to get overlooked by those claiming recruits do it all the time. I don't know of a recruit I have heard of who at the last minute reaffirms his commitment to a school and then bails.
That is the part that i was pointing out but seemed to get overlooked by those claiming recruits do it all the time. I don't know of a recruit I have heard of who at the last minute reaffirms his commitment to a school and then bails.
Look up Richard Lagow, QB for Indiana & former Uconn recruit. Happens all the time. Highest rated QB recruit in Uconn History; Re-affirms commitment when a lower ranked QB is recruited, shows up to first week of camp and performs worse than other freshman QB, transfers, and is now QB for Indiana. No article written as a sob story for Paul Pasquoloni as he gets fired 10 weeks later.
That is the part that i was pointing out but seemed to get overlooked by those claiming recruits do it all the time. I don't know of a recruit I have heard of who at the last minute reaffirms his commitment to a school and then bails.
Look up Richard Lagow, QB for Indiana & former Uconn recruit. Happens all the time. Highest rated QB recruit in Uconn History; Re-affirms commitment when a lower ranked QB is recruited, shows up to first week of camp and performs worse than other freshman QB, transfers, and is now QB for Indiana. No article written as a sob story for Paul Pasquoloni as he gets fired 10 weeks later.
That is not the same thing, its a BS move but leaving because you want to start somewhere else is a different aspect altogether. How does a back-up QB leaving cost Pasq his job? In addition you guys are comparing an institution that can easily absorb a kid or two leaving them high and dry vs a kid who is obviously set on where he was going.
I'm not doggin UCONN here specifically, I am pointing out that there seems to be an inherent unfairness to this with no recourse for the one that can afford it the least
for Edsall because I still think he's a P.O.S. for how he left the first time, but Lagow left to be a walk on at Oklahoma St. He didnt even leave to be a starter. In turn that left Uconn 1 short at QB on depth chart, Chandler Whitmer the week one starter got hurt, team started 0-4, Pasquoloni got fired, team burned a red shirt of one of their other QB's just so they could have two QB's active. So because Lagow had 2nd thoughts in August the team wasted a scholarship on him (that could have gone to another deserving individual), burned a year of eligibility for another player, and lost potentially their starting QB. Did I mention the QB who ended up coming in for the injured QB ended up quitting football a year later due to multiple concussions? Meanwhile Lagow now has a starting job for a Big 10 school and took his team to a bowl game while Uconn is trying to pick up the pieces of the mess the program has become over the past 5 years.
Again, I'm no Edsall apologist, but just cant understand for the life of me why this story has gained so much traction when there are stories of players whom Nick Saban has recruited for 2-3 years and verbally committed to the program as Juniors, only to pull their scholarship a week before signing day because he found someone better to use it on. At least in Edsall's defense he didn't even know this kid from a hole in the wall before 3 weeks ago.
for Edsall because I still think he's a P.O.S. for how he left the first time, but Lagow left to be a walk on at Oklahoma St. He didnt even leave to be a starter. In turn that left Uconn 1 short at QB on depth chart, Chandler Whitmer the week one starter got hurt, team started 0-4, Pasquoloni got fired, team burned a red shirt of one of their other QB's just so they could have two QB's active. So because Lagow had 2nd thoughts in August the team wasted a scholarship on him (that could have gone to another deserving individual), burned a year of eligibility for another player, and lost potentially their starting QB. Did I mention the QB who ended up coming in for the injured QB ended up quitting football a year later due to multiple concussions? Meanwhile Lagow now has a starting job for a Big 10 school and took his team to a bowl game while Uconn is trying to pick up the pieces of the mess the program has become over the past 5 years.
Again, I'm no Edsall apologist, but just cant understand for the life of me why this story has gained so much traction when there are stories of players whom Nick Saban has recruited for 2-3 years and verbally committed to the program as Juniors, only to pull their scholarship a week before signing day because he found someone better to use it on. At least in Edsall's defense he didn't even know this kid from a hole in the wall before 3 weeks ago.
I didn't think that Steve, it's a good counterpoint in that it shows this can go both ways to a degree. As I said it's more an NCAA dumb move then UCONN's.
because he's hired to win football games, primarily - and to a much lesser degree be some sort of beacon for goodwill, sportsmanship, and setting a good example for young people, the university and amateur athletics.
But once you see a new regime take over, everything is up for grabs until signing day. And Randy Edsall didn't make that rule. This kid, his high school coach or his parents didn't make that rule. The NCAA made the rule - effectively using young student-athletes as pawns in a gigantic chessboard built and perpetuated by greed, lies, and broken promises - and the occasional feel-good moment.
Until the NCAA does the RIGHT thing - this sort of non-committal-commitment will continue to take place. From both sides. And believe me, kids and especially parents and high school coaches use the same loophole to their advantage as well. Leveraging offers, verbals, non-commitments, for personal gain. Look at schools offering 7th and 8th graders these days. That. Is insane.
Again, for me (and not to completely compare apples to apples b/c it's certainly not exactly that) being a kid who 23 years ago was somewhat pulled by the strings of a university, coaches who I didn't really know, a place I wasn't familiar with and at that point - A LIFETIME PROCESS of getting to that juncture (and a huge perceived success in a young man's life), then to have the university and people you were hoping to trust turn their backs on you - that's tough. That's not easy for a young person to digest. And now that I have a son who is working to be a really good three or four sport athlete - as a Dad - that scenario is hard for me to reconcile. I was lucky because to this point it has worked out for me and before my Dad passed away he saw some pretty awesome games. So I consider myself really, really lucky to have gone through that confusing time.
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And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
When was the last time you heard that a kid did this?
It's not that hard to find. It's remarkably common.
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College recruiting is shady in general - best not to follow until National Signing Day.
While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Agreed, but the larger point is that this isn't different than anywhere else in the country. In fact when Durkin arrived, he didn't even communicate with some Edsall commits until they upped and left.
Edsall should be coaching in the Ivy League or the Patriot League. Fundamentally, he's a decent guy and his kids graduate, but not a good fit at the major D-1 level.
Edsall being Edsall. This is probably the best thing that could happen for the kid, though. I wouldn't recommend anyone to sign up with Edsall.
It's not the right thing - what Edsall did - and the business of college football will come to a head at some point. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't give a shit about its student-athletes. It is most concerned with making money and running a monopoly over amateur athletics.
Only reason why this is getting pub is because it's a good kid from New Jersey. Syracuse, Rutgers, and the big boys all do this. Until the NCAA implements a new signing period, this will continue.
Not trying to make excuses because its shitty any way around, but the unreported piece here is Edsall made his first statement to the kid prior to hiring a coordinator who is changing the base defense to a 3-3-5; no D coordinator was on hand during the first round of conversations, kid was told he didn't fit the defense the day after the new coordinator was hired. Better to honor the commitment and have a kid ride pine for 4 years because he doesn't fit the new D? Or lay out the truth as soon as possible?
While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Scumbag from Syracuse University, thrashing one of your own? You okay up there, bud?
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and it should be a non-story but it gained traction because it's written out like a sob story, look what happened to this amazingly good kid, his dreams are crushed kind of thing. It certainly sucks for him but it's not like he was recruited by Edsall who gave him the finger at the last minute instead. And apparently other schools have been in touch with the kid. He'll be fine and he'll be playing football somewhere.
And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
When was the last time you heard that a kid did this?
Agreed. And actually, Edsal DID give him the finger at the last minute after reassuring him. If Edsal had said he was reevaluating upon taking the job it would have been a different story.
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While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Scumbag from Syracuse University, thrashing one of your own? You okay up there, bud?
I have no allegiance to Edsall. He was before my time there and everything points to him being a selfish prick. Cuse or not, I've heard more bad things than I care to mention here.
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but the head coach shouldn't have told him his scholarship was good and the asst. coach shouldn't have met with him as if everything was good. If Edsell got the job, evaluated film and told players that they were no longer being offered, I could see that...but that isn't exactly what happened and makes this worse. And, yes, I know it probably happens all the time in every program.
Not trying to make excuses because its shitty any way around, but the unreported piece here is Edsall made his first statement to the kid prior to hiring a coordinator who is changing the base defense to a 3-3-5; no D coordinator was on hand during the first round of conversations, kid was told he didn't fit the defense the day after the new coordinator was hired. Better to honor the commitment and have a kid ride pine for 4 years because he doesn't fit the new D? Or lay out the truth as soon as possible?
After reassuring him, perhaps he should have informed him of the change and given him a choice.
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While this particular instance sucks for the kid - particularly based on just being reassured two weeks ago and the fact that Edsall has a history of being a bit of a scumbag - it is not uncommon. Nothing is signed until it's signed.
Scumbag from Syracuse University, thrashing one of your own? You okay up there, bud?
I have no allegiance to Edsall. He was before my time there and everything points to him being a selfish prick. Cuse or not, I've heard more bad things than I care to mention here.
There are two sides to every story. I work with a guy who played under Edsall all four years and can't speak highly enough about him. It seems that all his former players from UConn were pumped that he is back running the program. Obviously his time at Maryland wasn't too good but the culture/pressure to win there was much greater than at UConn and possibly could had changed his philosophies.
One thing I will add, I HATE that his parents went to the media with this, I get it, your son is hurt and should be. UConn didn't have the defensive coordinator on board yet when Edsall supposedly assured him his scholarship. Once the coordinator settled in and looked at the tape, he decided he wasn't going to be a fit for the new defense they were running. It's a no win situation for anyone, you can honor the scholarship and let the kid mope and ride the pine all four years or you can tell him to look somewhere else that may offer the opportunity to actually play. Again, I feel for the kid and his family, I do. The uproar that this is getting from a small UConn program his hilarious. Where was this uproar with Harbaugh pulling scholarship offers? I don't get it. ESPN and that ass clown Feinbaum can kick rocks.
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and it should be a non-story but it gained traction because it's written out like a sob story, look what happened to this amazingly good kid, his dreams are crushed kind of thing. It certainly sucks for him but it's not like he was recruited by Edsall who gave him the finger at the last minute instead. And apparently other schools have been in touch with the kid. He'll be fine and he'll be playing football somewhere.
And lets not act like these players don't back out at the last minute sometimes. It can go both ways.
When was the last time you heard that a kid did this?
Agreed. And actually, Edsal DID give him the finger at the last minute after reassuring him. If Edsal had said he was reevaluating upon taking the job it would have been a different story.
That is the part that i was pointing out but seemed to get overlooked by those claiming recruits do it all the time. I don't know of a recruit I have heard of who at the last minute reaffirms his commitment to a school and then bails.
That is the part that i was pointing out but seemed to get overlooked by those claiming recruits do it all the time. I don't know of a recruit I have heard of who at the last minute reaffirms his commitment to a school and then bails.
Look up Richard Lagow, QB for Indiana & former Uconn recruit. Happens all the time. Highest rated QB recruit in Uconn History; Re-affirms commitment when a lower ranked QB is recruited, shows up to first week of camp and performs worse than other freshman QB, transfers, and is now QB for Indiana. No article written as a sob story for Paul Pasquoloni as he gets fired 10 weeks later.
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That is the part that i was pointing out but seemed to get overlooked by those claiming recruits do it all the time. I don't know of a recruit I have heard of who at the last minute reaffirms his commitment to a school and then bails.
Look up Richard Lagow, QB for Indiana & former Uconn recruit. Happens all the time. Highest rated QB recruit in Uconn History; Re-affirms commitment when a lower ranked QB is recruited, shows up to first week of camp and performs worse than other freshman QB, transfers, and is now QB for Indiana. No article written as a sob story for Paul Pasquoloni as he gets fired 10 weeks later.
That is not the same thing, its a BS move but leaving because you want to start somewhere else is a different aspect altogether. How does a back-up QB leaving cost Pasq his job? In addition you guys are comparing an institution that can easily absorb a kid or two leaving them high and dry vs a kid who is obviously set on where he was going.
I'm not doggin UCONN here specifically, I am pointing out that there seems to be an inherent unfairness to this with no recourse for the one that can afford it the least
Again, I'm no Edsall apologist, but just cant understand for the life of me why this story has gained so much traction when there are stories of players whom Nick Saban has recruited for 2-3 years and verbally committed to the program as Juniors, only to pull their scholarship a week before signing day because he found someone better to use it on. At least in Edsall's defense he didn't even know this kid from a hole in the wall before 3 weeks ago.
Again, I'm no Edsall apologist, but just cant understand for the life of me why this story has gained so much traction when there are stories of players whom Nick Saban has recruited for 2-3 years and verbally committed to the program as Juniors, only to pull their scholarship a week before signing day because he found someone better to use it on. At least in Edsall's defense he didn't even know this kid from a hole in the wall before 3 weeks ago.
I didn't think that Steve, it's a good counterpoint in that it shows this can go both ways to a degree. As I said it's more an NCAA dumb move then UCONN's.
But once you see a new regime take over, everything is up for grabs until signing day. And Randy Edsall didn't make that rule. This kid, his high school coach or his parents didn't make that rule. The NCAA made the rule - effectively using young student-athletes as pawns in a gigantic chessboard built and perpetuated by greed, lies, and broken promises - and the occasional feel-good moment.
Until the NCAA does the RIGHT thing - this sort of non-committal-commitment will continue to take place. From both sides. And believe me, kids and especially parents and high school coaches use the same loophole to their advantage as well. Leveraging offers, verbals, non-commitments, for personal gain. Look at schools offering 7th and 8th graders these days. That. Is insane.
Again, for me (and not to completely compare apples to apples b/c it's certainly not exactly that) being a kid who 23 years ago was somewhat pulled by the strings of a university, coaches who I didn't really know, a place I wasn't familiar with and at that point - A LIFETIME PROCESS of getting to that juncture (and a huge perceived success in a young man's life), then to have the university and people you were hoping to trust turn their backs on you - that's tough. That's not easy for a young person to digest. And now that I have a son who is working to be a really good three or four sport athlete - as a Dad - that scenario is hard for me to reconcile. I was lucky because to this point it has worked out for me and before my Dad passed away he saw some pretty awesome games. So I consider myself really, really lucky to have gone through that confusing time.
Maybe this young man will too.
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