“We actually were invited, we just, we decided not to go,” Collins said. “There’s a receiver group and then there’s a DB group. And it was like, I’m gonna go with my DBs. And we just decided to do something different.”
I would take it easy before comparing him to Jerry Rice.
And I'm not concerned because he went on a boat 6 days before the biggest game of his life and completely shit the bed. I said when the story came out I didn't think it was a huge deal, though it would be a long offseason for him if he didn't perform in Green Bay (I didn't foresee him shitting himself the way he did).
It's not really the boat thing. It's that we have a 3 year sample size of Beckham being a self-involved jerk, and the time to address his contract is rapidly approaching.
showed up late to his press conference to apologize for streaming the locker room video last week because he was snap chatting his haircut. Yeah, you read that right. He's been as much of a moron or arguably worse than Beckham this season.
The double standards people have are ridiculous. Antonio Brown is a 28/29 year old vet who's been to the playoffs a lot and has had numerous chances to break out into the player he is. So if you are going to use him as an example you should look at his playoff history and offer the same chances to the player you are comparing him to.
I'm getting tired of hearing that "so and so wouldn't have a job if not for Beckham" and "the Giants are a 4 win team without Beckham". That is all such bullshit. The Giants clearly built their offense to feature him...obviously if he weren't here they wouldn't have done that.
And look at the results: two 6-10 seasons and an 11-5 season where everyone is bitching about the very offense that is built around Beckham.
Spare me the bullshit. There are four teams playing this weekend and they don't have Beckham, so don't tell me that he is essential to winning.
He's essential to the GIANTS winning... I don't know how that's even debatable. They don't have to have Odell Beckham, but if this is going to be the composition of the roster, they better have one of the THREE guys who're as good as him. The list of guys on his level is that short. And his numbers through 3 seasons dwarf those of Brown, Jones, and Green, 2 of whom we'll see this weekend.
If we deal in facts (as opposed to presumptions), we realize they went 6-10 because of 2 bottom of the sport defenses. We also realize that Beckham was still a 2nd team All-Pro in this year's horrendous offense.
I'm comparing his playoff numbers to Jerry Rice's playoff numbers to prove my point.
Not every great WR blew the doors off the stadium in their first playoff game and a lot of them didn't even do it in their 2nd or 3rd, either.
You can call Beckham a "jerk" until the cows come home. He's been the most explosive offensive player in franchise history and letting him walk because he has a little growing up to do would be a tremendously stupid mistake. One I don't foresee the Giants making.
No it's just absurd. Three years in and we're going to compare him to the greatest receiver and one of the greatest (if not the greatest) players in history? Crazy talk.
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No it's just absurd. Three years in and we're going to compare him to the greatest receiver and one of the greatest (if not the greatest) players in history? Crazy talk.
It isn't at all. 3 years in and he's had a HoF start to his career. I'm not comparing his 3 years to Rice's full resume, I'm comparing it to his first 3 years and his first dose of the playoffs. I thought that was obvious. Same for Antonio Brown. He's had a better career but certainly not the better start, not even close.
The amount of grown men bellyaching about the way a 24 year old spends his free time is pathetic. If he's not breaking any rules or doing anything illegal, what he does is his business.
Arc, respectfully, the fact is that whether or not you care about how he spends his free time, when a high profile athlete does something, anything, no matter how seemingly innocent it is, then makes a spectacle of it during a playoff week, it's going to draw attention. And whether you believe it or not, that attention will be on that athlete's mind, even subconsciously, and WILL affect his performance.
A lot of fans are paying premium money for PSLs, tickets, merchandise, etc and are expecting a "return" on that investment. Even emotional energy. So yeah the players owe it to the organization and the fans to be 100% focused during the playoff week.
DO we reeally need to "coddle" these guys more and say ohhh well take a day off because you deserve it? F- that. Get to work and earn your money. Plenty of time to showboat in the offseason.
Dwayne Harris said during the week leading up to the game that he had never seen Beckham as focused as he was the entire time they had been teammates.
I'm pretty sure the guy was focused.
As a matter of fact, I think he probably put way too much pressure on himself to go out there and have an all-time performance and carry the team to a win all by himself.
Some guys need to get their minds off football for a day or clear their head before they get to work. Spending 18 hours a day on football from the the of the Washington game to the start of the GB game wouldn't have guaranteed anything.
Different players prepare differently. This idea that Beckham wasn't focused or didn't take this seriously is lunacy. The guy is like a child when it comes to football. He has meltdowns when he loses.
on the field overshadows his distractive actions off the field (LT?) than you should laud him and keep him. If the reverse is true (Beckham?) than you should rid yourself of him, at maximum return value.
I like Beckham the player. Beckham the person? Not so much.
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on the field overshadows his distractive actions off the field (LT?) than you should laud him and keep him. If the reverse is true (Beckham?) than you should rid yourself of him, at maximum return value.
I like Beckham the player. Beckham the person? Not so much.
Am I reading this right?
The guy who was actually SUSPENDED for being a drug addict and openly abused alcohol was okay to do those things because of his on field performance.. but Odell Beckham's electric play doesn't overshadow the fact that he... what? Went on a boat in Miami or dances a lot?
Sometimes the things I read on this board make me feel like I am living in an alternate dimension.
As a player on the field Beckham isn't a pimple on LT's ass Â
it just doesn't matter because social media DIDN'T exist in the '80s. That's too bad for Beckham, but that's the way it goes.
And besides the existence of social media doesn't explain Beckham being an idiot on the field. Though maybe it does when you consider that he seems to crave being the center of attention.
and demand that our players be choir boys. That's essentially what fans want. I root for guys who dont commit crimes; if he dances after a TD, goes on a boat, or punches a wall that somehow makes him a bad person? A bad teammate? Unprepared?
Fans are fucking weird. Beckham is likely a saint compared to the wrap sheets of atleast a handful of BBIers.
Like in Week 17 when Norman kept trying to goad him into a repeat of their previous meetings and Beckham just let him accumulate penalties without responding to it.
one that comes to mind was a big presentation I had to give on behalf of my employer. It was to a government entity and while it wouldn't have been the end of my career had it gone badly, it also could have meant significant negative change in my organization, including possibly costing my job.
Anyway - from the day I learned of the assignment until the presentation was done I worked. Every single day. Yes, I was entitled to a day off, but I wanted to spend all my time - both company and free time - on preparing so that the presentation would go off right.
I'm not suggesting that the WR are the reason we lost, though the drops really hurt us in the first half. I'm not pinning the blame on the boat. I think we got beat by the better team, and that's that.
Having said that - I can only imagine how I would have felt had I taken my regular free time to party and then "dropped the ball" even a little bit with my presentation. It would have destroyed me.
I agree with those who expect that these young receivers (especially OBJ, SS, and RL) will have a different approach to the playoffs if they are lucky enough to get there again. It reminds me of what Toomer and Strahan were saying about the SB - how much more it meant to them having been away from it for so many years.
Young teams have to learn how to win in the playoffs and I hope and expect this year we learned a valuable lesson.
great post
Good point about being "lucky enough" to get there again. He certainly played like crap in his first shot. Brutal drops.
Catch, those balls and no one can say anything.
It was not irresponsible going to Miami to have some fun Â
It was not wrong
It was not stupid
It did not affect their play
Where they did go wrong was by posting a pic of it opened them up to scrutiny. Which would have been a few weeks fodder EXCEPT they had to do the follow-up prior to the game with the warmups in GB mocking the hubbub over their trip to Miami. Very similar to the kicking net fiasco over 3 weeks.
What OBJ needs to understand is that type of stuff invites the scrutiny, the haters are going to hate especially if you don't perform after drawing that attention to yourself. He showed that their attention to that story was in his mind and he feeds them by not ignoring it and just going out there. Just the other day on Twitter he showed they could get to him by responding to a stupid tweet mocking the miami deal and his GB performance.
will be fine, he was able to control himself on the field better as the season went on, so it's not as if he is incapable of learning from mistakes. at his core, he is a great kid, a bit different, but the genes and heart are in the right place. he took ownership for his poor play in the playoffs and I think he will own the mistake of how he handled the boat trip.
the kid has jerry rice ankle breaking talent and he is entertaining to watch. if he can focus on making the routine catches and assuming some other viable offensive talent is brought in this offseason, he will lead the giants to the playoffs again next year.
RE: It was not irresponsible going to Miami to have some fun Â
It was not wrong
It was not stupid
It did not affect their play
Where they did go wrong was by posting a pic of it opened them up to scrutiny. Which would have been a few weeks fodder EXCEPT they had to do the follow-up prior to the game with the warmups in GB mocking the hubbub over their trip to Miami. Very similar to the kicking net fiasco over 3 weeks.
What OBJ needs to understand is that type of stuff invites the scrutiny, the haters are going to hate especially if you don't perform after drawing that attention to yourself. He showed that their attention to that story was in his mind and he feeds them by not ignoring it and just going out there. Just the other day on Twitter he showed they could get to him by responding to a stupid tweet mocking the miami deal and his GB performance.
I agree with you on this.
I don't think anything he actually did was wrong, I just think he needs to have a better understanding of how the media works and how everything he does is going to get twisted into a big story like this if he opens that door.
I always enjoy reading the circle jerk session... Â
Agreed. Tired of people using his name in the same sentence as Taylor.
One guy was the most dominant the moment he stepped on the field and changed the game while the other is log jammed in a debate of which three are the best receiver at the moment.
Pretty sure no one is saying Odell Beckham is Lawrence Taylor.
For starters, they don't even play on the same side of the football.
The point is that Beckham has had about as impressive a start to his career as we've ever seen from any WR who has played the game. And some of you want to poo poo it because your old, wrinkled asses don't like the way he carries himself.
But I guess it's fair to make LT comparisons with Clowney... who may not even be the best defensive player on his own team.
Quite a few bring up Taylor in the sentence as this kid here.
As far as Clowney, i said we saw flashes of Taylor. Flashes i never saw from Watt or any other player for decades (that won't go over well for those who drool over Watt like OBJ).
I think the reason people bring up Taylor is to illustrate the type of impact Beckham has had. Not to equate them as players. Or at least that's not why I'd mention them together.
Clowney started to show true flashes of brilliance this year but c'mon.. Watt had two 20+ sack seasons his first 4 years in the league. Watt was probably the best player in all of football at points from 2012-2015.
And I'm not concerned because he went on a boat 6 days before the biggest game of his life and completely shit the bed. I said when the story came out I didn't think it was a huge deal, though it would be a long offseason for him if he didn't perform in Green Bay (I didn't foresee him shitting himself the way he did).
It's not really the boat thing. It's that we have a 3 year sample size of Beckham being a self-involved jerk, and the time to address his contract is rapidly approaching.
The double standards people have are ridiculous. Antonio Brown is a 28/29 year old vet who's been to the playoffs a lot and has had numerous chances to break out into the player he is. So if you are going to use him as an example you should look at his playoff history and offer the same chances to the player you are comparing him to.
I'm getting tired of hearing that "so and so wouldn't have a job if not for Beckham" and "the Giants are a 4 win team without Beckham". That is all such bullshit. The Giants clearly built their offense to feature him...obviously if he weren't here they wouldn't have done that.
And look at the results: two 6-10 seasons and an 11-5 season where everyone is bitching about the very offense that is built around Beckham.
Spare me the bullshit. There are four teams playing this weekend and they don't have Beckham, so don't tell me that he is essential to winning.
He's essential to the GIANTS winning... I don't know how that's even debatable. They don't have to have Odell Beckham, but if this is going to be the composition of the roster, they better have one of the THREE guys who're as good as him. The list of guys on his level is that short. And his numbers through 3 seasons dwarf those of Brown, Jones, and Green, 2 of whom we'll see this weekend.
If we deal in facts (as opposed to presumptions), we realize they went 6-10 because of 2 bottom of the sport defenses. We also realize that Beckham was still a 2nd team All-Pro in this year's horrendous offense.
Not every great WR blew the doors off the stadium in their first playoff game and a lot of them didn't even do it in their 2nd or 3rd, either.
You can call Beckham a "jerk" until the cows come home. He's been the most explosive offensive player in franchise history and letting him walk because he has a little growing up to do would be a tremendously stupid mistake. One I don't foresee the Giants making.
No it's just absurd. Three years in and we're going to compare him to the greatest receiver and one of the greatest (if not the greatest) players in history? Crazy talk.
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is that unholy or something?
No it's just absurd. Three years in and we're going to compare him to the greatest receiver and one of the greatest (if not the greatest) players in history? Crazy talk.
It isn't at all. 3 years in and he's had a HoF start to his career. I'm not comparing his 3 years to Rice's full resume, I'm comparing it to his first 3 years and his first dose of the playoffs. I thought that was obvious. Same for Antonio Brown. He's had a better career but certainly not the better start, not even close.
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The amount of grown men bellyaching about the way a 24 year old spends his free time is pathetic. If he's not breaking any rules or doing anything illegal, what he does is his business.
Arc, respectfully, the fact is that whether or not you care about how he spends his free time, when a high profile athlete does something, anything, no matter how seemingly innocent it is, then makes a spectacle of it during a playoff week, it's going to draw attention. And whether you believe it or not, that attention will be on that athlete's mind, even subconsciously, and WILL affect his performance.
A lot of fans are paying premium money for PSLs, tickets, merchandise, etc and are expecting a "return" on that investment. Even emotional energy. So yeah the players owe it to the organization and the fans to be 100% focused during the playoff week.
DO we reeally need to "coddle" these guys more and say ohhh well take a day off because you deserve it? F- that. Get to work and earn your money. Plenty of time to showboat in the offseason.
Dwayne Harris said during the week leading up to the game that he had never seen Beckham as focused as he was the entire time they had been teammates.
I'm pretty sure the guy was focused.
As a matter of fact, I think he probably put way too much pressure on himself to go out there and have an all-time performance and carry the team to a win all by himself.
Some guys need to get their minds off football for a day or clear their head before they get to work. Spending 18 hours a day on football from the the of the Washington game to the start of the GB game wouldn't have guaranteed anything.
Different players prepare differently. This idea that Beckham wasn't focused or didn't take this seriously is lunacy. The guy is like a child when it comes to football. He has meltdowns when he loses.
I like Beckham the player. Beckham the person? Not so much.
It already has...those pics and the hole in the wall at GB is all over social media.
I like Beckham the player. Beckham the person? Not so much.
Am I reading this right?
The guy who was actually SUSPENDED for being a drug addict and openly abused alcohol was okay to do those things because of his on field performance.. but Odell Beckham's electric play doesn't overshadow the fact that he... what? Went on a boat in Miami or dances a lot?
Sometimes the things I read on this board make me feel like I am living in an alternate dimension.
You guys aren't getting that 2017 and the 1980's are vastly different.
If the social media that exists now existed then, the LT story would have been a LOT uglier.
It amazes me that people don't understand this.
You guys aren't getting that 2017 and the 1980's are vastly different.
If the social media that exists now existed then, the LT story would have been a LOT uglier.
It amazes me that people don't understand this.
Save your breath. You're wasting your time here.
And besides the existence of social media doesn't explain Beckham being an idiot on the field. Though maybe it does when you consider that he seems to crave being the center of attention.
Fans are fucking weird. Beckham is likely a saint compared to the wrap sheets of atleast a handful of BBIers.
What an idiot.
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Beckham is literally off to the best start IN NFL HISTORY at his position.
You guys aren't getting that 2017 and the 1980's are vastly different.
If the social media that exists now existed then, the LT story would have been a LOT uglier.
It amazes me that people don't understand this.
Save your breath. You're wasting your time here.
I know... for some reason I continue to do it even though I am acutely aware of that.
Anyway - from the day I learned of the assignment until the presentation was done I worked. Every single day. Yes, I was entitled to a day off, but I wanted to spend all my time - both company and free time - on preparing so that the presentation would go off right.
I'm not suggesting that the WR are the reason we lost, though the drops really hurt us in the first half. I'm not pinning the blame on the boat. I think we got beat by the better team, and that's that.
Having said that - I can only imagine how I would have felt had I taken my regular free time to party and then "dropped the ball" even a little bit with my presentation. It would have destroyed me.
I agree with those who expect that these young receivers (especially OBJ, SS, and RL) will have a different approach to the playoffs if they are lucky enough to get there again. It reminds me of what Toomer and Strahan were saying about the SB - how much more it meant to them having been away from it for so many years.
Young teams have to learn how to win in the playoffs and I hope and expect this year we learned a valuable lesson.
great post
Good point about being "lucky enough" to get there again. He certainly played like crap in his first shot. Brutal drops.
Catch, those balls and no one can say anything.
It was not stupid
It did not affect their play
Where they did go wrong was by posting a pic of it opened them up to scrutiny. Which would have been a few weeks fodder EXCEPT they had to do the follow-up prior to the game with the warmups in GB mocking the hubbub over their trip to Miami. Very similar to the kicking net fiasco over 3 weeks.
What OBJ needs to understand is that type of stuff invites the scrutiny, the haters are going to hate especially if you don't perform after drawing that attention to yourself. He showed that their attention to that story was in his mind and he feeds them by not ignoring it and just going out there. Just the other day on Twitter he showed they could get to him by responding to a stupid tweet mocking the miami deal and his GB performance.
the kid has jerry rice ankle breaking talent and he is entertaining to watch. if he can focus on making the routine catches and assuming some other viable offensive talent is brought in this offseason, he will lead the giants to the playoffs again next year.
It was not stupid
It did not affect their play
Where they did go wrong was by posting a pic of it opened them up to scrutiny. Which would have been a few weeks fodder EXCEPT they had to do the follow-up prior to the game with the warmups in GB mocking the hubbub over their trip to Miami. Very similar to the kicking net fiasco over 3 weeks.
What OBJ needs to understand is that type of stuff invites the scrutiny, the haters are going to hate especially if you don't perform after drawing that attention to yourself. He showed that their attention to that story was in his mind and he feeds them by not ignoring it and just going out there. Just the other day on Twitter he showed they could get to him by responding to a stupid tweet mocking the miami deal and his GB performance.
I agree with you on this.
I don't think anything he actually did was wrong, I just think he needs to have a better understanding of how the media works and how everything he does is going to get twisted into a big story like this if he opens that door.
You would.
Weirdo.
Weirdo.
Shut it...you're the one with all the psychological issues with all your tattoos and shit.
Agreed. Tired of people using his name in the same sentence as Taylor.
One guy was the most dominant the moment he stepped on the field and changed the game while the other is log jammed in a debate of which three are the best receiver at the moment.
But if you guys want to continue to discredit this player because you don't like the way he acts, by all means....
We just flashes of Taylor with Clowney. Lined in any gap and dominating any blocker in his way.
For starters, they don't even play on the same side of the football.
The point is that Beckham has had about as impressive a start to his career as we've ever seen from any WR who has played the game. And some of you want to poo poo it because your old, wrinkled asses don't like the way he carries himself.
But I guess it's fair to make LT comparisons with Clowney... who may not even be the best defensive player on his own team.
Oh, BBI....
As far as Clowney, i said we saw flashes of Taylor. Flashes i never saw from Watt or any other player for decades (that won't go over well for those who drool over Watt like OBJ).
Clowney started to show true flashes of brilliance this year but c'mon.. Watt had two 20+ sack seasons his first 4 years in the league. Watt was probably the best player in all of football at points from 2012-2015.
That's an entirely different discussion, though.