beyond physical I see. We have had 3 or 4 non-calls.
On D we started nice but have really softened up the last few minutes.
and the excuse always is well the celtics are known for defense, who gives a shit? a foul is a foul..
same shit happened when they had the big 3
I saw a Celtics beat writer last game say something like "Bradley is an all NBA defense talent in the NBA he shouldn't have that foul called on him". Dafuq? The refs should have the all NBA teams memorized and call games accordingly?
Up five after three. It'll be tough to finish this but at least they're playing inspired ball. I know we should be tanking but how can you root for a loss against the loathsome Celtics?
He played very well on both ends of the court. Melo was invisible most of the game, didn't really add much, but was smart enough to realize that other things were working and he didn't force too many shots. The bench was awesome all game. I hope Lance Thomas is stuck to the bench when he is healthy because there are other players who add a lot more.
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Carmelo is a power forward. Phil should have passed on Noah & Lee and signed Dwayne Wade for 2 years. KP, Melo, Wade, Rose & (fill in blank)
it's funny seeing the drastic turns from game to game. After last game Noah was a glue guy that people would like to keep through the rebuild. Now he's unnecessary because our bench had a good game. To me the odd man out is O'Quinn. Hernangomez is a good back up to Noah.
O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.
Are we gonna get a better SF than Kuz with those guys? He's averaging 15 points per 36.
Meh, not a big Kuz guy yet. He is a nice bench player but isn't NBA starting material IMO.
Don't disagree but what stud SF are we gonna get from KOQ that's gonna be significantly better than Kuz? More likely than not we get picks for KOQ and I wouldn't be against that. He has a nice contract till he doesn't. Don't want to be a part of it if KP is going to play 5 and Willy/Noah are on the roster.
Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN
Carmelo is a power forward. Phil should have passed on Noah & Lee and signed Dwayne Wade for 2 years. KP, Melo, Wade, Rose & (fill in blank)
but it's amazing they gave out that contract when they had a ton of cheap, young options on the roster. I tend to agree with shopping O'Quinn - gotta break the front court logjam. This isn't the 1980s.
He didn't hurt the team in any way. Wasn't good defensively, but wasn't terrible. Added nothing on offense, but didn't force too much out of the offense. That's about as good as you can say for him after tonight, but the focus should be on the W. It was a good win and we were carried by the bench and Rose.
have 5 guys who can play center if you include KP and Plumlee.
That's probably two too many.
I never thought I'd say this but the team is too deep right now. They have 13 legit NBA rotation players. Bundle a few guys up and get some picks/better quality.
Last I heard he was already kind of sick of losing and not even playing well.
No clue. He shows flashes. Don't think those in sixers fans care that much given Embiid but holy shit did they whiff. If they chose KP, Booker or Turner how crazy would that have been? Hindsight is 20/20. Hezonja and Mudiay were probably just as much in the running for that pick as KP was.
and we are including him in our logjam at center? The dude has gone back and forth from NBA to D-league more than he's played in games. He played because we were missing 2 starters and filled in admirably, but lets not include him in any rotations when fully healthy.
but it's amazing they gave out that contract when they had a ton of cheap, young options on the roster.
Easy to say now, but six months ago nobody knew what they were going to get from Plumlee or Billy. They were complete unknowns. And we all thought we'd get at least 1 good year from Noah if not 2.
Even if Plumlee doesn't play, you can divide up the minutes between KP, Willy and Noah. Plumlee is around for the inevitable injuries. I go back and forth on trading O'Quinn, but we have too many bigs for today's league and he's the most tradeable.
We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
I don't think you're understanding my point. I don't think Eric Bledsoe is an example of an average player. But if we're talking about trading assets, the point is to make a discernible improvement to your team. Trading KOQ for 2 seconds is devaluing him. Packaging him with other good but not great players for a great player is a great way to bring this team to another level.
We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah
KOQ isn't getting you much. Get as many chances to get young players. Some of these 2nd rounders coming in these days are making impact.
Bledsoe is absolutely average. And I like him as a player. I thought he could start on many teams when he was backing up CP3. But if you're ranking the NBA PGs he's around 15. He's not that much better than Rose. Yeah I would take Bledsoe over Rose but if we're gonna get swept by Cleveland with Derrick Rose we're going to get swept by Cleveland with Bledsoe.
It's a lateral move. So would be letting Rose walk and maxing Jrue Holiday. It doesn't move this team forward by any measure.
We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah
We could just as well lose those 3 and get passed by the sixers by next week.
We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah
We could just as well lose those 3 and get passed by the sixers by next week.
oh i very much agree, i expect them to be blown out tomorrow
you've set a high bar if you think Eric Bledsoe is an average NBA player.
I should clarify. I think he's an average NBA starting PG. Same thing I think about with Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, Goran Dragic and George Hill. We can argue all day about which one is better than the other but you can switch these guys on and off your team and the results would be fairly similar with each one of them.
That said he is an average point guard when you can name 13 players better at that position. I believe that's where he falls. Now when I'm just into selling off all our assets and rebuild we play a game like that. Rose played like the old Rose. Our problem when he is on the floor with Melo we have two subpar defenders. Maybe our rotations should change.
is that I can't really tell how good he's gonna be. He was very good last night. Still just 22. Such a strong guy in the pick and roll because he has great hands for a big guy and great touch around the basket. Highlights from last night - ( New Window )
win. As for Horford, the Knicks would swap Noah's deal for Horford's and have a party.
Apparently quite a few teams are in on PJ Tucker so I find it extremely unlikely he's a Knick. We have nothing to deal let alone "outbid" others.
-I love Westbrook's fire but he's really dumb to say stuff like this about another player "He hit me kind of hard, he said. But Im going to get his ass back straight up.", he also said he and Durant no longer speak.
is that I can't really tell how good he's gonna be. He was very good last night. Still just 22. Such a strong guy in the pick and roll because he has great hands for a big guy and great touch around the basket. Highlights from last night - ( New Window )
he is very smart and he picks his spots..
he is not the most athletic guy or strongest but he knows positioning on defense and his footwork in the post is very good
reminds me a bit of a young Vlade. Obviously it's unlikely he's ever that good (people forget how good Vlade was given the era) but he sort of moves like him.
win. As for Horford, the Knicks would swap Noah's deal for Horford's and have a party.
agreed but thats doesnt make horfords deal good..
Horford's deal is absolutely fine. 15 and 7 with 5.0 assists, 2 blocks with + defense? I thought BBI tells me all the time that the new money means X isn't that much. Horford can't be a top 3 player on a title team? Celtics are missing that #2 or 1a but Horford is a very good player. Teams would line up to give him that same deal again.
win. As for Horford, the Knicks would swap Noah's deal for Horford's and have a party.
agreed but thats doesnt make horfords deal good..
Horford's deal is absolutely fine. 15 and 7 with 5.0 assists, 2 blocks with + defense? I thought BBI tells me all the time that the new money means X isn't that much. Horford can't be a top 3 player on a title team? Celtics are missing that #2 or 1a but Horford is a very good player. Teams would line up to give him that same deal again.
he is a good player but he is not a superstar many claim him to be..
if he was on the knicks fans and media would be killing him for how he played last night and i am sorry i expect more when i am paying a guy that much..
win. As for Horford, the Knicks would swap Noah's deal for Horford's and have a party.
agreed but thats doesnt make horfords deal good..
Horford's deal is absolutely fine. 15 and 7 with 5.0 assists, 2 blocks with + defense? I thought BBI tells me all the time that the new money means X isn't that much. Horford can't be a top 3 player on a title team? Celtics are missing that #2 or 1a but Horford is a very good player. Teams would line up to give him that same deal again.
Paying over 28 million a year for a guy like Horford is a reason why you will never win a championship unless the other players are on rookie deals.
15/7/5 and 2 blocks is a borderline all star player. And he is the 3rd highest paid player in the league.
people really talk about Horford like he's a "superstar"? I never hear his name when discussing stars. He's a very good starter but I think he's rated/paid as such. He did not have a good game and his shooting is down this season but he's shot 50% or greater every season of his career (.499) as a rookie. Unless there is some medical issue I find little reason to believe his shooting % is unable to rebound. If he were with the Knicks people would be saying he's getting used to his teammates etc. 15 and 7 with 5 assists and 2 blocks isn't exactly chopped liver
is a boring topic. Horford is a very good player and his contract while high will look like chump change in a year or so with all of these supermax's on the way.
people really talk about Horford like he's a "superstar"? I never hear his name when discussing stars. He's a very good starter but I think he's rated/paid as such. He did not have a good game and his shooting is down this season but he's shot 50% or greater every season of his career (.499) as a rookie. Unless there is some medical issue I find little reason to believe his shooting % is unable to rebound. If he were with the Knicks people would be saying he's getting used to his teammates etc. 15 and 7 with 5 assists and 2 blocks isn't exactly chopped liver
And no one is saying he is a bum either. What we are saying is you are paying a very good NBA player, superstar money. He is probably a borderline top 25 player bing paid top 5 money. And his play would help the Celtics to as far as they can go. But for a guy making 26 million this year - he is producing at like you said. A very good player. Not an elite one.
people really talk about Horford like he's a "superstar"? I never hear his name when discussing stars. He's a very good starter but I think he's rated/paid as such. He did not have a good game and his shooting is down this season but he's shot 50% or greater every season of his career (.499) as a rookie. Unless there is some medical issue I find little reason to believe his shooting % is unable to rebound. If he were with the Knicks people would be saying he's getting used to his teammates etc. 15 and 7 with 5 assists and 2 blocks isn't exactly chopped liver
every news outlet called the celtics title contenders after they signed horford and said he would put them over the top, it was ridiculous...
people really talk about Horford like he's a "superstar"? I never hear his name when discussing stars. He's a very good starter but I think he's rated/paid as such. He did not have a good game and his shooting is down this season but he's shot 50% or greater every season of his career (.499) as a rookie. Unless there is some medical issue I find little reason to believe his shooting % is unable to rebound. If he were with the Knicks people would be saying he's getting used to his teammates etc. 15 and 7 with 5 assists and 2 blocks isn't exactly chopped liver
every news outlet called the celtics title contenders after they signed horford and said he would put them over the top, it was ridiculous...
C'mon. People have said it's Warriors/Cavs since LAST season ended with a big dropoff after those 2. Even the Spurs are kind of downplayed despite their record. I didn't see people calling Horford a "superstar" or calling the Celtics legit title contenders any more than Toronto or The Clippers... good teams that most certainly aren't/weren't winning shit.
averaging 4 minutes per game over the Kings last 5 games jeez.
I dont get too many things right.... but I said WCS was an absolute bust before he was even drafted. A guy with no offensive skill and lackadasical play never succeeds in the NBA regardless how "athletic" he is.
averaging 4 minutes per game over the Kings last 5 games jeez.
I dont get too many things right.... but I said WCS was an absolute bust before he was even drafted. A guy with no offensive skill and lackadasical play never succeeds in the NBA regardless how "athletic" he is.
You would think defense alone he'd be getting burn. Kings are a disaster. Landing Cousins looks like a total fluke given previous moves.
acknowledged the Achilles has been slow going and he's going to have an MRI today. I wouldn't even consider him for Sat, the following game would be Monday and then Wed so give him a few more days at minimum.
But when you're paying Crowder, Bradley and Thomas a combined $20M a year it more than cancels it out. For comparison we are paying Melo, Noah, Lee and Lance the same amount of money! Who is really preventing their team from building a contender?
I'd take Horford over Melo at this point and he's making $2M a year more. Big fucking whoop.
The C's needed some player to jump ship and join the team and Horford wouldn't have left unless he got that money.
I don't think anyone was predicitng that the Celtics would overtake
the Cavs (unless, maybe they got Durant to go with Horford).
The talk was more that they were progressing each year and had a shot with Horford to overtake Toronto. I'm not sure that they can do that yet. Horford essentially replaced Sullinger and I can't understand anyone who would say that is not an upgrade. Their main weakness was rim protection and they could also have used a stretch forward. Horford gives them a little of both but not enough that they don't have deficiencies still, especially in the paint. I think on that team, he is absolutely worth the money. He is not expected to bring them to the top on his own, but he is a valuable, maybe even essential piece, when they cash in the Brooklyn picks.
Idk how much longer you can bank on the Kings pick now. Gay out for the year and they start an 8 game road stretch against Memphis, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Indiana, Charlotte, philly and houston starting tomorrow. It's much more likely that pick lands in the sixers hands IMO.
RE: Horford is getting paid a bit more than what he's worth
If you don't realize that two of those games were against Minnesota, 1 was against Atlanta when they lost 9 of 10, and 1 was against Portland (18-26).
Seems very telling.
? Did they not play bad teams during the other games? What a snarky moronic response. Portland's record is just as bad as the Knicks, why does that game suddenly not count?
is 24-18, Knicks beat them without Noah, Portland = the Knicks, beat them without Noah, just beat Boston without Noah. What a snarky weird attitude to have over a stat that is both factual and in todays paper.
similar to that stat about how the knicks lost early in the season when Rose scored 16 pts or more.
Very different c'mon. Noah is supposed to be a big part of the team and yet they are undefeated when he doesn't play. Usually missing a key piece = a team playing worse.
If you don't realize that two of those games were against Minnesota, 1 was against Atlanta when they lost 9 of 10, and 1 was against Portland (18-26).
Seems very telling.
? Did they not play bad teams during the other games? What a snarky moronic response. Portland's record is just as bad as the Knicks, why does that game suddenly not count?
You admitted that it was a small sample size, then say "it's pretty telling." So yes, I'm gonna give a snarky moronic response to some idiotic intuition when you even noted why the intuition was idiotic in the first place.
The Knicks are 0-2 when KP plays against the Celtics this year, but 1-0 when he doesn't. Small sample size, I know...
we've got to play him mostly at the 4. This has been obvious for years, but maybe it's finally getting thru (evidence is scant, but Horny talking KP at 4 suggests it). If that is the case, we have one center too many, with KP, Noah, KOQ, and Willy. Borderline 2 too many, b/c I think Plumlee is probably fine as a cheap #3 center, but with Noah's injury history, 4 centers is fine.
I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.
Noah was brutally bad early on. He had no confidence and it almost seemed like he forgot how to play. Over the last few weeks, he's been excellent, but the Knicks are in a major funk. He's one of the only guys that has been good through that funk, but he's not a guy that wins games on his own.
Of course the stats aren't going to look good for him because of that, but reality is that we are a better team when Noah is playing well, like he has lately. If only the rest of the team didn't fall apart at the same time.
we've got to play him mostly at the 4. This has been obvious for years, but maybe it's finally getting thru (evidence is scant, but Horny talking KP at 4 suggests it). If that is the case, we have one center too many, with KP, Noah, KOQ, and Willy. Borderline 2 too many, b/c I think Plumlee is probably fine as a cheap #3 center, but with Noah's injury history, 4 centers is fine.
I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.
Berman says Melo is the 4 once Porzingis returns. Assuming that's true either Noah or KOQ are going lose significant minutes. Don't see any way around that.
we've got to play him mostly at the 4. This has been obvious for years, but maybe it's finally getting thru (evidence is scant, but Horny talking KP at 4 suggests it). If that is the case, we have one center too many, with KP, Noah, KOQ, and Willy. Borderline 2 too many, b/c I think Plumlee is probably fine as a cheap #3 center, but with Noah's injury history, 4 centers is fine.
I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.
This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.
My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.
Noah was brutally bad early on. He had no confidence and it almost seemed like he forgot how to play. Over the last few weeks, he's been excellent, but the Knicks are in a major funk. He's one of the only guys that has been good through that funk, but he's not a guy that wins games on his own.
Of course the stats aren't going to look good for him because of that, but reality is that we are a better team when Noah is playing well, like he has lately. If only the rest of the team didn't fall apart at the same time.
Agree. I think this announcement is more about Melo than Noah.
key to success making 72 million usually move to the bench because they are playing so well...
So your conclusion from that move is that Noah is terrible and deserves benching, versus moving the two best players on the team to positions that suit them much better given how the rest of the league is playing? Yikes.
confirming, Noah headed to the bench when Porzingis returns.
BBR says KP has played 35% of his minutes at center this season. That cant possibly be correct, right?
Hornacek made it sound like they would need to see Porzingis comfort level at the 5 + the offensive changes they will have to make to accommodate such a move (presumably drawing up touches for KP that Noah doesn't get) but you would think if he truly was playing 35% of his minutes at the 5 this wouldn't be such a big "reworking".
This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.
My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.
I actually think it's probably more important to have Melo at the 4 at the beginning of the game, when the other team has it's starting lineup (i.e. probably best 5) in the game. In that circumstance, you probably want to save Melo from being a SF defensively. Noah-KP-Melo would work better at times when the other team has a sub in at SF.
key to success making 72 million usually move to the bench because they are playing so well...
So your conclusion from that move is that Noah is terrible and deserves benching, versus moving the two best players on the team to positions that suit them much better given how the rest of the league is playing? Yikes.
My conclusion is Noah wouldn't be headed to the bench if he was playing up to his contract. He's an absolute zero offensively at this point and that makes it very hard to get the offense going. As it is teams know Rose isn't going to beat you from the outside, Noah doesn't even look at the rim. Clogs up the lanes even further.
should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists, that's tied for 8th among centers (with Monroe actually) and that's with 99% of his touches resulting in passes and not FGA.
"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,
I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.
so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
Counterpoint: He has a choice, and the better choice is not to bog the team down with a risky, massive Rose contract when signing Rose doesnt move them realistically any closer to title contention.
should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,
I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.
should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,
I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.
It's harder for your passes to result in assists when there are less "easy buckets" with the lane/lanes crowded. Even if you "love" Noah you have to see that opposing defenders know he's not even going to fake an outside shot (like Tyson Chandler would), Noah catches the ball and looks to pass it again on literally 99% of his possessions. He's taken 5 or less FGA 24/38 games played. As bad as his FT shooting has been, he's scored 214 points, 70 of those points have come at the line. 38 games played, so he's scoring under 4 points per game on actual shots made. Why even bother Ding him up?
think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Noah is better than Plumlee. Noah has actually been playing pretty good ball of late, once you forget the contract. The advanced stats like him too -- suggest a guy who could easily be the 5th best starter on a very good team. I do think the advanced stats are missing out a bit on just how inept his offense is, to the point that he can be ignored.
I think there are smarter ways to use Noah offensively, but for whatever reason they're not being employed. For example, if you're going to give him the ball 20 feet from the basket, do it by design and give him cutters. And yeah, try some triangle-type plays -- back to the basket in the post, give him two options to pass to (I suspect this doesnt work because he's such a non-threat to pull a move and score).
This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.
My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.
I actually think it's probably more important to have Melo at the 4 at the beginning of the game, when the other team has it's starting lineup (i.e. probably best 5) in the game. In that circumstance, you probably want to save Melo from being a SF defensively. Noah-KP-Melo would work better at times when the other team has a sub in at SF.
That's fair. I think the main takeaway is that KP should see more minutes at the 5 if that means that Melo gets more minutes at the 4. Melo just can't do anything on defense at the 3.
so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Noah is better than Plumlee. Noah has actually been playing pretty good ball of late, once you forget the contract. The advanced stats like him too -- suggest a guy who could easily be the 5th best starter on a very good team. I do think the advanced stats are missing out a bit on just how inept his offense is, to the point that he can be ignored.
I think there are smarter ways to use Noah offensively, but for whatever reason they're not being employed. For example, if you're going to give him the ball 20 feet from the basket, do it by design and give him cutters. And yeah, try some triangle-type plays -- back to the basket in the post, give him two options to pass to (I suspect this doesnt work because he's such a non-threat to pull a move and score).
Noah is better than Plumlee. I'm just talking about counting stats backing up Porzingis/KOQ, I don't think we'd see some huge downgrade Plumlee's #'s to Noah's. As you said, in theory his passing adds more than it does. I'm not exaggerating when I say he doesn't even look at the basket the majority of the time when he receives the ball. There are times when he catches the ball near (or even deeper) than the FT line and then the defender backs off and Noah kicks it back out to Melo etc. We aren't seeing some sort of Sabonis/Divac situation where he's hitting guys in stride/cutting to the basket. They are useless passes most of the time.
think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.
so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
Which would be "fine" if he either had some sort of offensive game to keep defenders honest or the Knicks ran more motion in their offense.
different ailment to affect Noah already this season. Good thing he changed the culture though!
Looks bad...when you're right you're right. You can stop reminding us every day!
For the record I went nuts to a friend I work with when he told me they signed Noah. HE was high on it. I said why and he's always banged. He talked me off the ledge and then I bought in came here and fought the good fight. I still like that he's here in the locker room with KP as a shitty insurance policy but early returns look pretty bleak. Oh well...Knicks would suck anyway even if they didn't sign him. Tank...draft a stud...that's all I got.
think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.
You don't think Plumlee just based on his size could grab 8 rebounds tonight if given 25 minutes? I'm not suggesting he's a good player (he's not). I'm saying there isn't much lost with KP/KOQ/WIlly/Plumlee. Noah's passing/rebounding isn't irreplaceable.
whatever..with the Knicks I feel like I am better off buying into the suck. They deliver suck so consistently over the years. But I can't help but root for them. I enjoyed last night's win...but they are probably better off losing out unless they can really save the season and battle toward 500 record. Not even sure that's worth much but with the young players, losing can be toxic.
"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
Counterpoint: He has a choice, and the better choice is not to bog the team down with a risky, massive Rose contract when signing Rose doesnt move them realistically any closer to title contention.
"they have no choice but to sign player X to max" --how many times have we heard THAT one before?!!
just noticed the Celtics stashed Yabusele in China. He's averaging 20.5 points 9 boards 2 assists, 39% from 3. Hard to judge Chinese stats when Jimmer is averaging 37 and 7 though...
Even in a limited role with Real Madrid - he had games where he got 10 minutes of action and gave you 6 points and 4 rebounds. His game is just so freaking smooth for a big man.
He produces when he gets that. *one day* I can actually see him as a staple starter next to KP.
He's basically the perfect example of why it's tough to develop young players as you try and win games. His defense clearly isn't ready but how does it "get good" without playing games?
just noticed the Celtics stashed Yabusele in China. He's averaging 20.5 points 9 boards 2 assists, 39% from 3. Hard to judge Chinese stats when Jimmer is averaging 37 and 7 though...
i think anyone here could average 10 points in the chinese league
was dead set on his ancient offense that "needs" to employ two traditional bigs. KP/Melo at the 5/4 surrounded by shooters isn't going to remind anyone of the Bad Boy Pistons on defense, but it would have likely represented their best chance at being competitive this season.
Regardless, here's what I would propose going forward:
Starters: KP/Melo/Kuz/Jennings/Lee
Bench: Rose/Noah/Holliday
Rose's ballhog act works better off the bench at this point of his career IMO, if at all. Lance can ride the bench. Willy gets the shaft but he can fill in for Noah who's always hurt and KP when he gets in foul trouble.
so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
Yeah, I just dont understand what the plan is on offense. Noah seems really ill-suited to play in an offense where the #1 and #2 options, Rose and Melo, both stand around waiting for the ball to come to them. Neither move to take a pass. KP isnt a "cutter" and is often in wait for spot up mode (or at least move in a set area angling to open a passing lane for a jumper).
It's really just a bunch of pieces with no organizing concept other than hero ball. The offense ends up "working" (15th in PP possession) I think mostly because you have 3 supernaturally talented scorers in Melo, Rose, and KP.
so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
Yeah, I just dont understand what the plan is on offense. Noah seems really ill-suited to play in an offense where the #1 and #2 options, Rose and Melo, both stand around waiting for the ball to come to them. Neither move to take a pass. KP isnt a "cutter" and is often in wait for spot up mode (or at least move in a set area angling to open a passing lane for a jumper).
It's really just a bunch of pieces with no organizing concept other than hero ball. The offense ends up "working" (15th in PP possession) I think mostly because you have 3 supernaturally talented scorers in Melo, Rose, and KP.
Agreed. I'm often watching and wondering what the plan is. They rely on Rose, Melo or KP to beat their man off the dribble almost the whole game. Their guard dribbles the ball up the court, hands it to the big at the top of the key and they give it back to the guard, set a pick and go from there.
I was working at a summer camp that summer and had to miss the draft for parents night. My friends would keep me updated. We supposedly liked Lampe at #9, when we landed both he and Sweetney I thought we hit a home run....
Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol
Thoughts on Rose for Rubio/Muhammed(or a better piece)?
If melo isn't going anywhere, theres no point in breaking everything down, so accumulate assets where you can. Rubio is not very good, but his contract is reasonable and he can distribute. Muhammed or another piece, would be an asset.
for Lampe and Milos...and even Slavko who was like 7-6. But then Isiah got hired, immediately cut Slavko, and included Lampe and Milos in the Marbury deal and that was the end of that.
Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol
true, but Sweetney wasn't a bust due to a lack of talent.
Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol
true, but Sweetney wasn't a bust due to a lack of talent.
Nope but he weighed like 400 pounds, lost weight and then gained a bunch back. To be out of the league at 24 is pretty bad. He recently talked about his food addiction. His dad died right before he joined the Knicks and he thinks that basically messed him up to the point he never responded.
just noticed the Celtics stashed Yabusele in China. He's averaging 20.5 points 9 boards 2 assists, 39% from 3. Hard to judge Chinese stats when Jimmer is averaging 37 and 7 though...
I read a recent scouting report on him. The conclusion was that he would definitely play with the Celtics next season as opposed to being stashed again. Might get minutes, might not. The report was much higher on Zizic who is supposedly doing very well against higher competition in Turkey despite being young for the league. Good potential as a rim protector. Report said that also will definitely be in Boston and he has a chance for significant minutes.
just noticed the Celtics stashed Yabusele in China. He's averaging 20.5 points 9 boards 2 assists, 39% from 3. Hard to judge Chinese stats when Jimmer is averaging 37 and 7 though...
I read a recent scouting report on him. The conclusion was that he would definitely play with the Celtics next season as opposed to being stashed again. Might get minutes, might not. The report was much higher on Zizic who is supposedly doing very well against higher competition in Turkey despite being young for the league. Good potential as a rim protector. Report said that also will definitely be in Boston and he has a chance for significant minutes.
I saw Yabusele play a bit in summer league. Sort of had the Draymond Green vibe but there is only 1 Draymond Green so who knows?
I believe the Heat want a lot more for Dragic than Shabazz and an expiring.
oh yeah it's wishful thinking. And nobody, not even Thibs, is taking Noah's deal. I do think if the Heat end up deciding to move Dragic, they're going to end up getting back less than what they gave up to get him. There's just not a huge market for PG's these days.
RE: Thoughts on Rose for Rubio/Muhammed(or a better piece)?
If melo isn't going anywhere, theres no point in breaking everything down, so accumulate assets where you can. Rubio is not very good, but his contract is reasonable and he can distribute. Muhammed or another piece, would be an asset.
Thoughts?
I'd do it. Rubio doesn't exactly hurt our tanking cause and it's a better alternative to paying twice as much for rose over the next 3 years. Muhammad may not be more than a rotational piece but I believe he was miscast in a MIN.
But here's another trade machine idea (not Knicks related)
Celtics get: Whiteside and James Johnson
Sixers get: Dragic, Amir Johnson and Josh Richardson
Heat get: Okafor, Jaylen Brown, Stauskas, Henderson and Rodriguez. Maybe a lottery protected 1st rounder or two.
are that I havent seen him enough to assess whether his defense and running an offense to counter against his poor shooting.
Putting that aside, I'm probably interested in a Rubio this offseason if we dont land a PG in the draft (or if we land a project PG) and decide to keep Melo and not tank. Strikes me as a not massive risk given the cap, with a decent amount of upside. Maybe the mix of offensive talent here suits Rubio better.
are that I havent seen him enough to assess whether his defense and running an offense to counter against his poor shooting.
Putting that aside, I'm probably interested in a Rubio this offseason if we dont land a PG in the draft (or if we land a project PG) and decide to keep Melo and not tank. Strikes me as a not massive risk given the cap, with a decent amount of upside. Maybe the mix of offensive talent here suits Rubio better.
Oh my feelings to get Rubio IS to tank (or at least acquire a young piece). I'm not a fan of Rubio but I don't think he's a bad player. He's a stopgap PG who ideally is a backup on a good team. A guy who can spark an offense with bench players.
Also I'd want him as to prevent us giving $150M to either Rose or Holiday.
He'd be a good option for "tanking". He gets other players involved.
think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.
You don't think Plumlee just based on his size could grab 8 rebounds tonight if given 25 minutes? I'm not suggesting he's a good player (he's not). I'm saying there isn't much lost with KP/KOQ/WIlly/Plumlee. Noah's passing/rebounding isn't irreplaceable.
This is spot on about Noah/ Plumlee. Only thing Noah does better is handle the ball and pass. But as stated earlier, his passing is pointless because he isn't a threat. Plumlee atleast sets good screens.
The Knicks are such a lost cause. Jealous of seeing teams like the Sixers start to gel and our roster is all over the map. I'd love to see Willy and KP develop with some other young guys.
starter. He must have pulled passed Love at the end. I imagine it would be...
Irving/Lowry
James/Giannis/Butler
as the EC starters
Was calling you earlier Dep!
It's way back now But I was essentially saying with gay out and and the Kings embarking on a rough 8 game road trip it looks like Philly could be owning the Kings pick over the bulls
starter. He must have pulled passed Love at the end. I imagine it would be...
Irving/Lowry
James/Giannis/Butler
as the EC starters
Was calling you earlier Dep!
It's way back now But I was essentially saying with gay out and and the Kings embarking on a rough 8 game road trip it looks like Philly could be owning the Kings pick over the bulls
Sorry! Wife is preggo with a bad case of the flu and had bball practice.
And I saw that with the Kings. so does this mean the 76ers can have 3 lottery picks?
"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
my eyes!
The Knicks giving Rose a max contract would finally be the thing to make me stop watching this team. I've stuck with them through a LOT of horseshit, but that would be too much.
starter. He must have pulled passed Love at the end. I imagine it would be...
Irving/Lowry
James/Giannis/Butler
as the EC starters
Was calling you earlier Dep!
It's way back now But I was essentially saying with gay out and and the Kings embarking on a rough 8 game road trip it looks like Philly could be owning the Kings pick over the bulls
Sorry! Wife is preggo with a bad case of the flu and had bball practice.
And I saw that with the Kings. so does this mean the 76ers can have 3 lottery picks?
Sorry to hear hope all is wel brother.
And nah, the sixers have swap rights if the Kings pick falls in the top 10.
Hornacek said was happy with what Ron Baker did and will start him again over Lee. KP6 still out.
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As a C's fan, I find any Melo to Boston trade speculation to be amusing. We don't want him, y'all can keep him...
... maybe if y'all give us some draft picks and cash, we'll take him off your hands. ;-D
3 way trade. Reunite Rose with Thibs. Rubio to Clips and Knicks get back ????
3 way trade. Reunite Rose with Thibs. Rubio to Clips and Knicks get back ????
How would LA clear salary for that?
rose baker kuz melo oquinn
bench jennings lee holiday herangomez
I thought you meant 50 attempts. That seems more likely than him getting 50 points, but I'd love to see him give everyone a big F you performance.
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melo goes for 50 tonight, now the question is? is it on 40 shots?
I thought you meant 50 attempts. That seems more likely than him getting 50 points, but I'd love to see him give everyone a big F you performance.
this is why i think he goes for 50
On D we started nice but have really softened up the last few minutes.
On D we started nice but have really softened up the last few minutes.
and the excuse always is well the celtics are known for defense, who gives a shit? a foul is a foul..
same shit happened when they had the big 3
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beyond physical I see. We have had 3 or 4 non-calls.
On D we started nice but have really softened up the last few minutes.
and the excuse always is well the celtics are known for defense, who gives a shit? a foul is a foul..
same shit happened when they had the big 3
I saw a Celtics beat writer last game say something like "Bradley is an all NBA defense talent in the NBA he shouldn't have that foul called on him". Dafuq? The refs should have the all NBA teams memorized and call games accordingly?
isiah thomas does this to everyone..
My feed might be a minute or two behind.
paint is wide open with melo at the 4 offensively
does Plumlee start the 2nd half?
huh? marcus smart lighting him up? did i miss something
Just watching the box score?
Funny just saw him make 2 huge defensive plays on help defense
He wouldn't be a plumlee if he didn't.
neither is afraid of the big shot or tough shots in the 4th..
i know he had a couple of turnovers bit in the 4th rose ran the offense
Honest question: if the sixers offered Okafor for Willy would you even accept it?
Honest question: if the sixers offered Okafor for Willy would you even accept it?
no willy plays better defense and better rebounder..
celtics couldnt handle rose with the knicks so spread out
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Honest question: if the sixers offered Okafor for Willy would you even accept it?
no willy plays better defense and better rebounder..
He's also more agile in the PnR and is a better shooter.
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Like Melo is having a great game.
Just watching the box score?
Are we gonna get a better SF than Kuz with those guys? He's averaging 15 points per 36.
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O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.
Are we gonna get a better SF than Kuz with those guys? He's averaging 15 points per 36.
Meh, not a big Kuz guy yet. He is a nice bench player but isn't NBA starting material IMO.
Carmelo is a power forward. Phil should have passed on Noah & Lee and signed Dwayne Wade for 2 years. KP, Melo, Wade, Rose & (fill in blank)
Yeah that's quite ridiculous if he hasn't yet, but it's possible he did after the first time he hurt it. Maybe not since it flared up again.
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O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.
Are we gonna get a better SF than Kuz with those guys? He's averaging 15 points per 36.
Meh, not a big Kuz guy yet. He is a nice bench player but isn't NBA starting material IMO.
Don't disagree but what stud SF are we gonna get from KOQ that's gonna be significantly better than Kuz? More likely than not we get picks for KOQ and I wouldn't be against that. He has a nice contract till he doesn't. Don't want to be a part of it if KP is going to play 5 and Willy/Noah are on the roster.
kp had one after the first time he felt it..
said he felt a pinch when practicing sonjust want to make sure everything is ok structurally
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Like Melo is having a great game.
Just watching the box score?
so he had a good game ?
he didnt dominate acoring but he picked his spots, hit a big 3 in the 4th and actually played good defense..
so yeah maybe you should watch the game rather than jjst watching the box
Carmelo is a power forward. Phil should have passed on Noah & Lee and signed Dwayne Wade for 2 years. KP, Melo, Wade, Rose & (fill in blank)
That's what I wanted. That Or Dwight howard.
That's probably two too many.
I never thought I'd say this but the team is too deep right now. They have 13 legit NBA rotation players. Bundle a few guys up and get some picks/better quality.
No clue. He shows flashes. Don't think those in sixers fans care that much given Embiid but holy shit did they whiff. If they chose KP, Booker or Turner how crazy would that have been? Hindsight is 20/20. Hezonja and Mudiay were probably just as much in the running for that pick as KP was.
Easy to say now, but six months ago nobody knew what they were going to get from Plumlee or Billy. They were complete unknowns. And we all thought we'd get at least 1 good year from Noah if not 2.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
I don't think you're understanding my point. I don't think Eric Bledsoe is an example of an average player. But if we're talking about trading assets, the point is to make a discernible improvement to your team. Trading KOQ for 2 seconds is devaluing him. Packaging him with other good but not great players for a great player is a great way to bring this team to another level.
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah
Bledsoe is absolutely average. And I like him as a player. I thought he could start on many teams when he was backing up CP3. But if you're ranking the NBA PGs he's around 15. He's not that much better than Rose. Yeah I would take Bledsoe over Rose but if we're gonna get swept by Cleveland with Derrick Rose we're going to get swept by Cleveland with Bledsoe.
It's a lateral move. So would be letting Rose walk and maxing Jrue Holiday. It doesn't move this team forward by any measure.
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah
We could just as well lose those 3 and get passed by the sixers by next week.
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.
I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.
Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah
We could just as well lose those 3 and get passed by the sixers by next week.
oh i very much agree, i expect them to be blown out tomorrow
Wally and Hahn agreeing with you on the postgame.
Wally says if he were on the Knicks he would prefer playing on the second unit because Melo and Rose dominate the ball on the first unit.
I should clarify. I think he's an average NBA starting PG. Same thing I think about with Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, Goran Dragic and George Hill. We can argue all day about which one is better than the other but you can switch these guys on and off your team and the results would be fairly similar with each one of them.
Horrified is putting up 15, 7 and 5 with 2 blocks. He's playing good defense and is an extremely good NBA player.
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$113 million for Al Horford is pretty rough, too.
Horrified is putting up 15, 7 and 5 with 2 blocks. He's playing good defense and is an extremely good NBA player.
when you are paying someone to be a superstar you want better than 15 and 7
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Apparently quite a few teams are in on PJ Tucker so I find it extremely unlikely he's a Knick. We have nothing to deal let alone "outbid" others.
-I love Westbrook's fire but he's really dumb to say stuff like this about another player "He hit me kind of hard, he said. But Im going to get his ass back straight up.", he also said he and Durant no longer speak.
he is very smart and he picks his spots..
he is not the most athletic guy or strongest but he knows positioning on defense and his footwork in the post is very good
agreed but thats doesnt make horfords deal good..
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win. As for Horford, the Knicks would swap Noah's deal for Horford's and have a party.
agreed but thats doesnt make horfords deal good..
Horford's deal is absolutely fine. 15 and 7 with 5.0 assists, 2 blocks with + defense? I thought BBI tells me all the time that the new money means X isn't that much. Horford can't be a top 3 player on a title team? Celtics are missing that #2 or 1a but Horford is a very good player. Teams would line up to give him that same deal again.
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win. As for Horford, the Knicks would swap Noah's deal for Horford's and have a party.
agreed but thats doesnt make horfords deal good..
Horford's deal is absolutely fine. 15 and 7 with 5.0 assists, 2 blocks with + defense? I thought BBI tells me all the time that the new money means X isn't that much. Horford can't be a top 3 player on a title team? Celtics are missing that #2 or 1a but Horford is a very good player. Teams would line up to give him that same deal again.
he is a good player but he is not a superstar many claim him to be..
if he was on the knicks fans and media would be killing him for how he played last night and i am sorry i expect more when i am paying a guy that much..
he is scoring 15 points on 13 shots per game..
7 rebounds is brook lopez type rebounding...
his defense is good, i will give you that
Took them long enough to call it.
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win. As for Horford, the Knicks would swap Noah's deal for Horford's and have a party.
agreed but thats doesnt make horfords deal good..
Horford's deal is absolutely fine. 15 and 7 with 5.0 assists, 2 blocks with + defense? I thought BBI tells me all the time that the new money means X isn't that much. Horford can't be a top 3 player on a title team? Celtics are missing that #2 or 1a but Horford is a very good player. Teams would line up to give him that same deal again.
Paying over 28 million a year for a guy like Horford is a reason why you will never win a championship unless the other players are on rookie deals.
15/7/5 and 2 blocks is a borderline all star player. And he is the 3rd highest paid player in the league.
And no one is saying he is a bum either. What we are saying is you are paying a very good NBA player, superstar money. He is probably a borderline top 25 player bing paid top 5 money. And his play would help the Celtics to as far as they can go. But for a guy making 26 million this year - he is producing at like you said. A very good player. Not an elite one.
every news outlet called the celtics title contenders after they signed horford and said he would put them over the top, it was ridiculous...
- After a hot start to the season Stauskas is back to being a turd
-Chandler Parsons has been awful. Cuban dodged a bullet there
-Otto Porter Jr.... gotta believe there were times the Wizards considered moving him. True breakout season
-Harden/D'Antoni have to be the favorites for MVP/Coach of the year as of today
-Westbrook...27 points, 15 boards, 13 assists, 10 turnovers, 2 steals, 2 blocks
-Kanter has been awesome lately. 21 and 9 on 57% last 5 games
-Not sure what has gotten into Cousins but last 5 games he's averaging 8 assists
-Cauley-Stein is no longer playing for the Kings. Buy low?
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people really talk about Horford like he's a "superstar"? I never hear his name when discussing stars. He's a very good starter but I think he's rated/paid as such. He did not have a good game and his shooting is down this season but he's shot 50% or greater every season of his career (.499) as a rookie. Unless there is some medical issue I find little reason to believe his shooting % is unable to rebound. If he were with the Knicks people would be saying he's getting used to his teammates etc. 15 and 7 with 5 assists and 2 blocks isn't exactly chopped liver
every news outlet called the celtics title contenders after they signed horford and said he would put them over the top, it was ridiculous...
C'mon. People have said it's Warriors/Cavs since LAST season ended with a big dropoff after those 2. Even the Spurs are kind of downplayed despite their record. I didn't see people calling Horford a "superstar" or calling the Celtics legit title contenders any more than Toronto or The Clippers... good teams that most certainly aren't/weren't winning shit.
I dont get too many things right.... but I said WCS was an absolute bust before he was even drafted. A guy with no offensive skill and lackadasical play never succeeds in the NBA regardless how "athletic" he is.
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averaging 4 minutes per game over the Kings last 5 games jeez.
I dont get too many things right.... but I said WCS was an absolute bust before he was even drafted. A guy with no offensive skill and lackadasical play never succeeds in the NBA regardless how "athletic" he is.
You would think defense alone he'd be getting burn. Kings are a disaster. Landing Cousins looks like a total fluke given previous moves.
To be safe, he should probably just retire...
I'd take Horford over Melo at this point and he's making $2M a year more. Big fucking whoop.
The C's needed some player to jump ship and join the team and Horford wouldn't have left unless he got that money.
The talk was more that they were progressing each year and had a shot with Horford to overtake Toronto. I'm not sure that they can do that yet. Horford essentially replaced Sullinger and I can't understand anyone who would say that is not an upgrade. Their main weakness was rim protection and they could also have used a stretch forward. Horford gives them a little of both but not enough that they don't have deficiencies still, especially in the paint. I think on that team, he is absolutely worth the money. He is not expected to bring them to the top on his own, but he is a valuable, maybe even essential piece, when they cash in the Brooklyn picks.
I'd take Horford over Melo at this point and he's making $2M a year more. Big fucking whoop.
This is why we're all rejoicing that you're not the GM.
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I'd take Horford over Melo at this point and he's making $2M a year more. Big fucking whoop.
This is why we're all rejoicing that you're not the GM.
Lol ok...whys that?
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I'd take Horford over Melo at this point and he's making $2M a year more. Big fucking whoop.
This is why we're all rejoicing that you're not the GM.
Lol ok...whys that?
He probably meant because of your lack of experience as a front office representative for the NBA.
I'd take Horford over Melo at this point and he's making $2M a year more. Big fucking whoop.
This is why we're all rejoicing that you're not the GM.
Lol ok...whys that?
He probably meant because of your lack of experience as a front office representative for the NBA.
EXACTLY!
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I'd take Horford over Melo at this point and he's making $2M a year more. Big fucking whoop.
This is why we're all rejoicing that you're not the GM.
Lol ok...whys that?
He probably meant because of your lack of experience as a front office representative for the NBA.
EXACTLY!
Haha ok then. In that case... Same to you my friend!
I saw that as well. Food for thought ...
Seems very telling.
Seems very telling.
? Did they not play bad teams during the other games? What a snarky moronic response. Portland's record is just as bad as the Knicks, why does that game suddenly not count?
Very different c'mon. Noah is supposed to be a big part of the team and yet they are undefeated when he doesn't play. Usually missing a key piece = a team playing worse.
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If you don't realize that two of those games were against Minnesota, 1 was against Atlanta when they lost 9 of 10, and 1 was against Portland (18-26).
Seems very telling.
? Did they not play bad teams during the other games? What a snarky moronic response. Portland's record is just as bad as the Knicks, why does that game suddenly not count?
You admitted that it was a small sample size, then say "it's pretty telling." So yes, I'm gonna give a snarky moronic response to some idiotic intuition when you even noted why the intuition was idiotic in the first place.
The Knicks are 0-2 when KP plays against the Celtics this year, but 1-0 when he doesn't. Small sample size, I know...
I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.
Of course the stats aren't going to look good for him because of that, but reality is that we are a better team when Noah is playing well, like he has lately. If only the rest of the team didn't fall apart at the same time.
BBR says KP has played 35% of his minutes at center this season. That cant possibly be correct, right?
I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.
Berman says Melo is the 4 once Porzingis returns. Assuming that's true either Noah or KOQ are going lose significant minutes. Don't see any way around that.
I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.
This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.
My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.
Of course the stats aren't going to look good for him because of that, but reality is that we are a better team when Noah is playing well, like he has lately. If only the rest of the team didn't fall apart at the same time.
Agree. I think this announcement is more about Melo than Noah.
So your conclusion from that move is that Noah is terrible and deserves benching, versus moving the two best players on the team to positions that suit them much better given how the rest of the league is playing? Yikes.
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confirming, Noah headed to the bench when Porzingis returns.
BBR says KP has played 35% of his minutes at center this season. That cant possibly be correct, right?
Hornacek made it sound like they would need to see Porzingis comfort level at the 5 + the offensive changes they will have to make to accommodate such a move (presumably drawing up touches for KP that Noah doesn't get) but you would think if he truly was playing 35% of his minutes at the 5 this wouldn't be such a big "reworking".
This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.
My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.
I actually think it's probably more important to have Melo at the 4 at the beginning of the game, when the other team has it's starting lineup (i.e. probably best 5) in the game. In that circumstance, you probably want to save Melo from being a SF defensively. Noah-KP-Melo would work better at times when the other team has a sub in at SF.
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key to success making 72 million usually move to the bench because they are playing so well...
So your conclusion from that move is that Noah is terrible and deserves benching, versus moving the two best players on the team to positions that suit them much better given how the rest of the league is playing? Yikes.
My conclusion is Noah wouldn't be headed to the bench if he was playing up to his contract. He's an absolute zero offensively at this point and that makes it very hard to get the offense going. As it is teams know Rose isn't going to beat you from the outside, Noah doesn't even look at the rim. Clogs up the lanes even further.
I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
Counterpoint: He has a choice, and the better choice is not to bog the team down with a risky, massive Rose contract when signing Rose doesnt move them realistically any closer to title contention.
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should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,
I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.
Surprising opinion from this poster.
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should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,
I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.
It's harder for your passes to result in assists when there are less "easy buckets" with the lane/lanes crowded. Even if you "love" Noah you have to see that opposing defenders know he's not even going to fake an outside shot (like Tyson Chandler would), Noah catches the ball and looks to pass it again on literally 99% of his possessions. He's taken 5 or less FGA 24/38 games played. As bad as his FT shooting has been, he's scored 214 points, 70 of those points have come at the line. 38 games played, so he's scoring under 4 points per game on actual shots made. Why even bother Ding him up?
Noah is better than Plumlee. Noah has actually been playing pretty good ball of late, once you forget the contract. The advanced stats like him too -- suggest a guy who could easily be the 5th best starter on a very good team. I do think the advanced stats are missing out a bit on just how inept his offense is, to the point that he can be ignored.
I think there are smarter ways to use Noah offensively, but for whatever reason they're not being employed. For example, if you're going to give him the ball 20 feet from the basket, do it by design and give him cutters. And yeah, try some triangle-type plays -- back to the basket in the post, give him two options to pass to (I suspect this doesnt work because he's such a non-threat to pull a move and score).
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This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.
My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.
I actually think it's probably more important to have Melo at the 4 at the beginning of the game, when the other team has it's starting lineup (i.e. probably best 5) in the game. In that circumstance, you probably want to save Melo from being a SF defensively. Noah-KP-Melo would work better at times when the other team has a sub in at SF.
That's fair. I think the main takeaway is that KP should see more minutes at the 5 if that means that Melo gets more minutes at the 4. Melo just can't do anything on defense at the 3.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
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think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Noah is better than Plumlee. Noah has actually been playing pretty good ball of late, once you forget the contract. The advanced stats like him too -- suggest a guy who could easily be the 5th best starter on a very good team. I do think the advanced stats are missing out a bit on just how inept his offense is, to the point that he can be ignored.
I think there are smarter ways to use Noah offensively, but for whatever reason they're not being employed. For example, if you're going to give him the ball 20 feet from the basket, do it by design and give him cutters. And yeah, try some triangle-type plays -- back to the basket in the post, give him two options to pass to (I suspect this doesnt work because he's such a non-threat to pull a move and score).
Noah is better than Plumlee. I'm just talking about counting stats backing up Porzingis/KOQ, I don't think we'd see some huge downgrade Plumlee's #'s to Noah's. As you said, in theory his passing adds more than it does. I'm not exaggerating when I say he doesn't even look at the basket the majority of the time when he receives the ball. There are times when he catches the ball near (or even deeper) than the FT line and then the defender backs off and Noah kicks it back out to Melo etc. We aren't seeing some sort of Sabonis/Divac situation where he's hitting guys in stride/cutting to the basket. They are useless passes most of the time.
Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.
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so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
Which would be "fine" if he either had some sort of offensive game to keep defenders honest or the Knicks ran more motion in their offense.
Looks bad...when you're right you're right. You can stop reminding us every day!
For the record I went nuts to a friend I work with when he told me they signed Noah. HE was high on it. I said why and he's always banged. He talked me off the ledge and then I bought in came here and fought the good fight. I still like that he's here in the locker room with KP as a shitty insurance policy but early returns look pretty bleak. Oh well...Knicks would suck anyway even if they didn't sign him. Tank...draft a stud...that's all I got.
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think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.
You don't think Plumlee just based on his size could grab 8 rebounds tonight if given 25 minutes? I'm not suggesting he's a good player (he's not). I'm saying there isn't much lost with KP/KOQ/WIlly/Plumlee. Noah's passing/rebounding isn't irreplaceable.
my eyes!
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"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
Counterpoint: He has a choice, and the better choice is not to bog the team down with a risky, massive Rose contract when signing Rose doesnt move them realistically any closer to title contention.
"they have no choice but to sign player X to max" --how many times have we heard THAT one before?!!
No. Just no.
He's basically the perfect example of why it's tough to develop young players as you try and win games. His defense clearly isn't ready but how does it "get good" without playing games?
i think anyone here could average 10 points in the chinese league
Regardless, here's what I would propose going forward:
Starters: KP/Melo/Kuz/Jennings/Lee
Bench: Rose/Noah/Holliday
Rose's ballhog act works better off the bench at this point of his career IMO, if at all. Lance can ride the bench. Willy gets the shaft but he can fill in for Noah who's always hurt and KP when he gets in foul trouble.
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so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
Yeah, I just dont understand what the plan is on offense. Noah seems really ill-suited to play in an offense where the #1 and #2 options, Rose and Melo, both stand around waiting for the ball to come to them. Neither move to take a pass. KP isnt a "cutter" and is often in wait for spot up mode (or at least move in a set area angling to open a passing lane for a jumper).
It's really just a bunch of pieces with no organizing concept other than hero ball. The offense ends up "working" (15th in PP possession) I think mostly because you have 3 supernaturally talented scorers in Melo, Rose, and KP.
It's like a Knicks graveyard over there
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so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.
Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
Yeah, I just dont understand what the plan is on offense. Noah seems really ill-suited to play in an offense where the #1 and #2 options, Rose and Melo, both stand around waiting for the ball to come to them. Neither move to take a pass. KP isnt a "cutter" and is often in wait for spot up mode (or at least move in a set area angling to open a passing lane for a jumper).
It's really just a bunch of pieces with no organizing concept other than hero ball. The offense ends up "working" (15th in PP possession) I think mostly because you have 3 supernaturally talented scorers in Melo, Rose, and KP.
Agreed. I'm often watching and wondering what the plan is. They rely on Rose, Melo or KP to beat their man off the dribble almost the whole game. Their guard dribbles the ball up the court, hands it to the big at the top of the key and they give it back to the guard, set a pick and go from there.
I was working at a summer camp that summer and had to miss the draft for parents night. My friends would keep me updated. We supposedly liked Lampe at #9, when we landed both he and Sweetney I thought we hit a home run....
Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol
Thoughts?
Felt like an 8 player draft and we had pick 9. I think I was hoping on Kaman, because I liked that he could shoot with both hands.
Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol
true, but Sweetney wasn't a bust due to a lack of talent.
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Lebron, Melo, Bosh, Wade
Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol
true, but Sweetney wasn't a bust due to a lack of talent.
Nope but he weighed like 400 pounds, lost weight and then gained a bunch back. To be out of the league at 24 is pretty bad. He recently talked about his food addiction. His dad died right before he joined the Knicks and he thinks that basically messed him up to the point he never responded.
Probably not, but now that Noah is coming off the bench, he'll play more with Jennings.
Wolves get: Noah
Heat get: Rose/Shabazz
come on Thibs, help us out!
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just noticed the Celtics stashed Yabusele in China. He's averaging 20.5 points 9 boards 2 assists, 39% from 3. Hard to judge Chinese stats when Jimmer is averaging 37 and 7 though...
I read a recent scouting report on him. The conclusion was that he would definitely play with the Celtics next season as opposed to being stashed again. Might get minutes, might not. The report was much higher on Zizic who is supposedly doing very well against higher competition in Turkey despite being young for the league. Good potential as a rim protector. Report said that also will definitely be in Boston and he has a chance for significant minutes.
I saw Yabusele play a bit in summer league. Sort of had the Draymond Green vibe but there is only 1 Draymond Green so who knows?
Wolves get: Noah
Heat get: Rose/Shabazz
come on Thibs, help us out!
I believe the Heat want a lot more for Dragic than Shabazz and an expiring.
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Knicks get: Dragic/Rubio
Wolves get: Noah
Heat get: Rose/Shabazz
come on Thibs, help us out!
I believe the Heat want a lot more for Dragic than Shabazz and an expiring.
oh yeah it's wishful thinking. And nobody, not even Thibs, is taking Noah's deal. I do think if the Heat end up deciding to move Dragic, they're going to end up getting back less than what they gave up to get him. There's just not a huge market for PG's these days.
Thoughts?
I'd do it. Rubio doesn't exactly hurt our tanking cause and it's a better alternative to paying twice as much for rose over the next 3 years. Muhammad may not be more than a rotational piece but I believe he was miscast in a MIN.
This is what I was thinking. Can you actually have a decent lineup with two guys who are black holes on offense, and 3 elite or near elite scorers?
Celtics get: Whiteside and James Johnson
Sixers get: Dragic, Amir Johnson and Josh Richardson
Heat get: Okafor, Jaylen Brown, Stauskas, Henderson and Rodriguez. Maybe a lottery protected 1st rounder or two.
Putting that aside, I'm probably interested in a Rubio this offseason if we dont land a PG in the draft (or if we land a project PG) and decide to keep Melo and not tank. Strikes me as a not massive risk given the cap, with a decent amount of upside. Maybe the mix of offensive talent here suits Rubio better.
:)
Putting that aside, I'm probably interested in a Rubio this offseason if we dont land a PG in the draft (or if we land a project PG) and decide to keep Melo and not tank. Strikes me as a not massive risk given the cap, with a decent amount of upside. Maybe the mix of offensive talent here suits Rubio better.
Oh my feelings to get Rubio IS to tank (or at least acquire a young piece). I'm not a fan of Rubio but I don't think he's a bad player. He's a stopgap PG who ideally is a backup on a good team. A guy who can spark an offense with bench players.
Also I'd want him as to prevent us giving $150M to either Rose or Holiday.
He'd be a good option for "tanking". He gets other players involved.
Irving/Lowry
James/Giannis/Butler
as the EC starters
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think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.
You don't think Plumlee just based on his size could grab 8 rebounds tonight if given 25 minutes? I'm not suggesting he's a good player (he's not). I'm saying there isn't much lost with KP/KOQ/WIlly/Plumlee. Noah's passing/rebounding isn't irreplaceable.
This is spot on about Noah/ Plumlee. Only thing Noah does better is handle the ball and pass. But as stated earlier, his passing is pointless because he isn't a threat. Plumlee atleast sets good screens.
The Knicks are such a lost cause. Jealous of seeing teams like the Sixers start to gel and our roster is all over the map. I'd love to see Willy and KP develop with some other young guys.
Irving/Lowry
James/Giannis/Butler
as the EC starters
Was calling you earlier Dep!
It's way back now But I was essentially saying with gay out and and the Kings embarking on a rough 8 game road trip it looks like Philly could be owning the Kings pick over the bulls
If you dont have to have a center, might as well just say top 5, any position.
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starter. He must have pulled passed Love at the end. I imagine it would be...
Irving/Lowry
James/Giannis/Butler
as the EC starters
Was calling you earlier Dep!
It's way back now But I was essentially saying with gay out and and the Kings embarking on a rough 8 game road trip it looks like Philly could be owning the Kings pick over the bulls
Sorry! Wife is preggo with a bad case of the flu and had bball practice.
And I saw that with the Kings. so does this mean the 76ers can have 3 lottery picks?
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"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
my eyes!
The Knicks giving Rose a max contract would finally be the thing to make me stop watching this team. I've stuck with them through a LOT of horseshit, but that would be too much.
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starter. He must have pulled passed Love at the end. I imagine it would be...
Irving/Lowry
James/Giannis/Butler
as the EC starters
Was calling you earlier Dep!
It's way back now But I was essentially saying with gay out and and the Kings embarking on a rough 8 game road trip it looks like Philly could be owning the Kings pick over the bulls
Sorry! Wife is preggo with a bad case of the flu and had bball practice.
And I saw that with the Kings. so does this mean the 76ers can have 3 lottery picks?
Sorry to hear hope all is wel brother.
And nah, the sixers have swap rights if the Kings pick falls in the top 10.