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ryanmkeane : 1/18/2017 1:34 pm
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i know fans hate rose and melo right now  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 9:54 pm : link
which is totally fair but it is amazing to me how this team has lost so many close games, both these guys have ice in their veins..

neither is afraid of the big shot or tough shots in the 4th..

i know he had a couple of turnovers bit in the 4th rose ran the offense
Rose showed up today  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 9:58 pm : link
Lee played well.

Honest question: if the sixers offered Okafor for Willy would you even accept it?
Rose carried the starting team all game.  
Keith : 1/18/2017 9:59 pm : link
He played very well on both ends of the court. Melo was invisible most of the game, didn't really add much, but was smart enough to realize that other things were working and he didn't force too many shots. The bench was awesome all game. I hope Lance Thomas is stuck to the bench when he is healthy because there are other players who add a lot more.
RE: Rose showed up today  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13331919 giantsfan44ab said:
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Lee played well.

Honest question: if the sixers offered Okafor for Willy would you even accept it?


no willy plays better defense and better rebounder..
honeslty  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 10:01 pm : link
i am starting to shop oquin l, especially if hornacek wants to go small..

celtics couldnt handle rose with the knicks so spread out
Move  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2017 10:03 pm : link
O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.
RE: RE: Rose showed up today  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13331921 nygiants16 said:
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Lee played well.

Honest question: if the sixers offered Okafor for Willy would you even accept it?



no willy plays better defense and better rebounder..


He's also more agile in the PnR and is a better shooter.
RE: RE: Looks  
jamesmichaelworm : 1/18/2017 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13331898 nygiants16 said:
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Like Melo is having a great game.



Just watching the box score?
so he had a good game ?
RE: Move  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13331924 Jon in NYC said:
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O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.


Are we gonna get a better SF than Kuz with those guys? He's averaging 15 points per 36.
What is Okafor's deal?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2017 10:05 pm : link
Last I heard he was already kind of sick of losing and not even playing well.
RE: RE: Move  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13331929 giantsfan44ab said:
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O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.



Are we gonna get a better SF than Kuz with those guys? He's averaging 15 points per 36.


Meh, not a big Kuz guy yet. He is a nice bench player but isn't NBA starting material IMO.
.  
Anakim : 1/18/2017 10:06 pm : link
Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
Carmelo is a power forward. Phil should have passed on Noah & Lee and signed Dwayne Wade for 2 years. KP, Melo, Wade, Rose & (fill in blank)
Lets not overreact to one good game.  
Keith : 1/18/2017 10:07 pm : link
The bench was good, but it was one game. I have seen enough of kuz to know that Thomas should rarely see the floor.
Amazing how unnecessary Noah is.  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2017 10:09 pm : link
We have plenty of depth at center without that $72 million albatross. I love Willy's game.
KP and Noah both having MRIs tomorrow  
Del Shofner : 1/18/2017 10:11 pm : link
per ESPN. Can't believe KP hasn't already had one given how long this achilles thing has lingered.
Lol,  
Keith : 1/18/2017 10:11 pm : link
it's funny seeing the drastic turns from game to game. After last game Noah was a glue guy that people would like to keep through the rebuild. Now he's unnecessary because our bench had a good game. To me the odd man out is O'Quinn. Hernangomez is a good back up to Noah.
RE: KP and Noah both having MRIs tomorrow  
Keith : 1/18/2017 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13331940 Del Shofner said:
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per ESPN. Can't believe KP hasn't already had one given how long this achilles thing has lingered.


Yeah that's quite ridiculous if he hasn't yet, but it's possible he did after the first time he hurt it. Maybe not since it flared up again.
RE: RE: RE: Move  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13331931 Jon in NYC said:
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O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.



Are we gonna get a better SF than Kuz with those guys? He's averaging 15 points per 36.



Meh, not a big Kuz guy yet. He is a nice bench player but isn't NBA starting material IMO.


Don't disagree but what stud SF are we gonna get from KOQ that's gonna be significantly better than Kuz? More likely than not we get picks for KOQ and I wouldn't be against that. He has a nice contract till he doesn't. Don't want to be a part of it if KP is going to play 5 and Willy/Noah are on the roster.
RE: KP and Noah both having MRIs tomorrow  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13331940 Del Shofner said:
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per ESPN. Can't believe KP hasn't already had one given how long this achilles thing has lingered.


kp had one after the first time he felt it..

said he felt a pinch when practicing sonjust want to make sure everything is ok structurally
This one game shouldn't prevent  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:17 pm : link
the organization from doing whatever direction it was planning to go in beforehand but it probably will.
RE: RE: RE: Looks  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13331928 jamesmichaelworm said:
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Like Melo is having a great game.



Just watching the box score?

so he had a good game ?


he didnt dominate acoring but he picked his spots, hit a big 3 in the 4th and actually played good defense..

so yeah maybe you should watch the game rather than jjst watching the box
RE: .  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13331932 Anakim said:
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Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
Carmelo is a power forward. Phil should have passed on Noah & Lee and signed Dwayne Wade for 2 years. KP, Melo, Wade, Rose & (fill in blank)


That's what I wanted. That Or Dwight howard.
Stop  
Keith : 1/18/2017 10:17 pm : link
Melo had a bad game, you don't need to defend him.
I have no issues with Noah  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2017 10:18 pm : link
but it's amazing they gave out that contract when they had a ton of cheap, young options on the roster. I tend to agree with shopping O'Quinn - gotta break the front court logjam. This isn't the 1980s.
I shouldn't say that.  
Keith : 1/18/2017 10:19 pm : link
He didn't hurt the team in any way. Wasn't good defensively, but wasn't terrible. Added nothing on offense, but didn't force too much out of the offense. That's about as good as you can say for him after tonight, but the focus should be on the W. It was a good win and we were carried by the bench and Rose.
They  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
have 5 guys who can play center if you include KP and Plumlee.

That's probably two too many.

I never thought I'd say this but the team is too deep right now. They have 13 legit NBA rotation players. Bundle a few guys up and get some picks/better quality.
RE: What is Okafor's deal?  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13331930 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Last I heard he was already kind of sick of losing and not even playing well.


No clue. He shows flashes. Don't think those in sixers fans care that much given Embiid but holy shit did they whiff. If they chose KP, Booker or Turner how crazy would that have been? Hindsight is 20/20. Hezonja and Mudiay were probably just as much in the running for that pick as KP was.
So Plumlee had a nice game  
Keith : 1/18/2017 10:21 pm : link
and we are including him in our logjam at center? The dude has gone back and forth from NBA to D-league more than he's played in games. He played because we were missing 2 starters and filled in admirably, but lets not include him in any rotations when fully healthy.
RE: I have no issues with Noah  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/18/2017 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13331954 bceagle05 said:
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but it's amazing they gave out that contract when they had a ton of cheap, young options on the roster.


Easy to say now, but six months ago nobody knew what they were going to get from Plumlee or Billy. They were complete unknowns. And we all thought we'd get at least 1 good year from Noah if not 2.

I'd trade KOQ  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
To NO for their 2 early 2nd rounders.
There's only 48 minutes in a game.  
bceagle05 : 1/18/2017 10:27 pm : link
Even if Plumlee doesn't play, you can divide up the minutes between KP, Willy and Noah. Plumlee is around for the inevitable injuries. I go back and forth on trading O'Quinn, but we have too many bigs for today's league and he's the most tradeable.
i really liked lee off thr bench  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 10:29 pm : link
and i like kuz with the starters, just a lot more spacing
KOQ for 2 2nds exacerbates the issue  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2017 10:30 pm : link
We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.

I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.
RE: KOQ for 2 2nds exacerbates the issue  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13331973 Jon in NYC said:
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.

I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.


Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.

Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.
RE: RE: KOQ for 2 2nds exacerbates the issue  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13331976 giantsfan44ab said:
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.

I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.



Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.

Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.


I don't think you're understanding my point. I don't think Eric Bledsoe is an example of an average player. But if we're talking about trading assets, the point is to make a discernible improvement to your team. Trading KOQ for 2 seconds is devaluing him. Packaging him with other good but not great players for a great player is a great way to bring this team to another level.
RE: RE: KOQ for 2 2nds exacerbates the issue  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13331976 giantsfan44ab said:
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.

I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.



Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.

Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.


sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah
My point is  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:42 pm : link
KOQ isn't getting you much. Get as many chances to get young players. Some of these 2nd rounders coming in these days are making impact.

Bledsoe is absolutely average. And I like him as a player. I thought he could start on many teams when he was backing up CP3. But if you're ranking the NBA PGs he's around 15. He's not that much better than Rose. Yeah I would take Bledsoe over Rose but if we're gonna get swept by Cleveland with Derrick Rose we're going to get swept by Cleveland with Bledsoe.

It's a lateral move. So would be letting Rose walk and maxing Jrue Holiday. It doesn't move this team forward by any measure.
RE: RE: RE: KOQ for 2 2nds exacerbates the issue  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13331983 nygiants16 said:
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.

I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.



Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.

Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.



sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah


We could just as well lose those 3 and get passed by the sixers by next week.
Fuckin hell,  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2017 10:45 pm : link
you've set a high bar if you think Eric Bledsoe is an average NBA player.
RE: RE: RE: RE: KOQ for 2 2nds exacerbates the issue  
nygiants16 : 1/18/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13331985 giantsfan44ab said:
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We need to be bundling depth for quality starters and/or high picks. Not trading depth for more depth.

I'd love to see us make a move for Eric Bledsoe for example.



Just because we beat Boston doesn't mean we change our organizational direction. Phil would've traded Melo yesterday if it weren't for the NTC. I don't want us to acquire average players to be in the same damn spot for the next 5 years.

Let's not celebrate like we're going to get the 2nd season all of a sudden. Hell, the 8th seed still seems like a 50/50 bet.



sad part knicks could win 3 in a row and be the 7th seed by sundah



We could just as well lose those 3 and get passed by the sixers by next week.


oh i very much agree, i expect them to be blown out tomorrow
RE: i really liked lee off thr bench  
Del Shofner : 1/18/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13331972 nygiants16 said:
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and i like kuz with the starters, just a lot more spacing


Wally and Hahn agreeing with you on the postgame.

Wally says if he were on the Knicks he would prefer playing on the second unit because Melo and Rose dominate the ball on the first unit.
RE: Fuckin hell,  
giantsfan44ab : 1/18/2017 10:49 pm : link
In comment 13331986 Jon in NYC said:
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you've set a high bar if you think Eric Bledsoe is an average NBA player.


I should clarify. I think he's an average NBA starting PG. Same thing I think about with Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, Goran Dragic and George Hill. We can argue all day about which one is better than the other but you can switch these guys on and off your team and the results would be fairly similar with each one of them.
For all the talk about Noah's deal..  
bceagle05 : 1/19/2017 1:04 am : link
$113 million for Al Horford is pretty rough, too.
RE: For all the talk about Noah's deal..  
Sgrcts : 1/19/2017 1:14 am : link
In comment 13332034 bceagle05 said:
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$113 million for Al Horford is pretty rough, too.


Horrified is putting up 15, 7 and 5 with 2 blocks. He's playing good defense and is an extremely good NBA player.
That should  
Sgrcts : 1/19/2017 1:14 am : link
Say Hortford not horrified lol
Keep Lee w  
bigbluehoya : 1/19/2017 6:32 am : link
The second unit, keep his utilization high, hope he shoots well, and trade him.
I agree Bledsoe is a good player  
Carl in CT : 1/19/2017 8:56 am : link
That said he is an average point guard when you can name 13 players better at that position. I believe that's where he falls. Now when I'm just into selling off all our assets and rebuild we play a game like that. Rose played like the old Rose. Our problem when he is on the floor with Melo we have two subpar defenders. Maybe our rotations should change.
RE: RE: For all the talk about Noah's deal..  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2017 8:58 am : link
In comment 13332036 Sgrcts said:
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$113 million for Al Horford is pretty rough, too.



Horrified is putting up 15, 7 and 5 with 2 blocks. He's playing good defense and is an extremely good NBA player.


when you are paying someone to be a superstar you want better than 15 and 7
The thing I love about Willy  
Heisenberg : 1/19/2017 9:13 am : link
is that I can't really tell how good he's gonna be. He was very good last night. Still just 22. Such a strong guy in the pick and roll because he has great hands for a big guy and great touch around the basket.
Highlights from last night - ( New Window )
RE: Move  
Heisenberg : 1/19/2017 9:14 am : link
In comment 13331924 Jon in NYC said:
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O'Quinn/Noah for a SF. Then start Melo/Zinger at PF/C and have a three headed backup C of OQuinn/Willy/Plumlee.


Co-sign
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