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ryanmkeane : 1/18/2017 1:34 pm
Porzingis returning?
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Here's what we already knew.  
Keith : 1/19/2017 2:35 pm : link
Noah was brutally bad early on. He had no confidence and it almost seemed like he forgot how to play. Over the last few weeks, he's been excellent, but the Knicks are in a major funk. He's one of the only guys that has been good through that funk, but he's not a guy that wins games on his own.

Of course the stats aren't going to look good for him because of that, but reality is that we are a better team when Noah is playing well, like he has lately. If only the rest of the team didn't fall apart at the same time.
RE: Berman  
Deej : 1/19/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13332847 DanMetroMan said:
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confirming, Noah headed to the bench when Porzingis returns.


BBR says KP has played 35% of his minutes at center this season. That cant possibly be correct, right?
RE: Assuming Melo stays  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13332849 Deej said:
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we've got to play him mostly at the 4. This has been obvious for years, but maybe it's finally getting thru (evidence is scant, but Horny talking KP at 4 suggests it). If that is the case, we have one center too many, with KP, Noah, KOQ, and Willy. Borderline 2 too many, b/c I think Plumlee is probably fine as a cheap #3 center, but with Noah's injury history, 4 centers is fine.

I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.


Berman says Melo is the 4 once Porzingis returns. Assuming that's true either Noah or KOQ are going lose significant minutes. Don't see any way around that.
RE: Assuming Melo stays  
Aspano! : 1/19/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13332849 Deej said:
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we've got to play him mostly at the 4. This has been obvious for years, but maybe it's finally getting thru (evidence is scant, but Horny talking KP at 4 suggests it). If that is the case, we have one center too many, with KP, Noah, KOQ, and Willy. Borderline 2 too many, b/c I think Plumlee is probably fine as a cheap #3 center, but with Noah's injury history, 4 centers is fine.

I think KOQ has to go if you can get decent value for him. A late #1 I'd take, even though I think it undervalues him.


This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.

My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.
RE: Here's what we already knew.  
Deej : 1/19/2017 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13332852 Keith said:
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Noah was brutally bad early on. He had no confidence and it almost seemed like he forgot how to play. Over the last few weeks, he's been excellent, but the Knicks are in a major funk. He's one of the only guys that has been good through that funk, but he's not a guy that wins games on his own.

Of course the stats aren't going to look good for him because of that, but reality is that we are a better team when Noah is playing well, like he has lately. If only the rest of the team didn't fall apart at the same time.


Agree. I think this announcement is more about Melo than Noah.
RE: PLayers  
Aspano! : 1/19/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13332851 DanMetroMan said:
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key to success making 72 million usually move to the bench because they are playing so well...


So your conclusion from that move is that Noah is terrible and deserves benching, versus moving the two best players on the team to positions that suit them much better given how the rest of the league is playing? Yikes.
RE: RE: Berman  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13332854 Deej said:
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confirming, Noah headed to the bench when Porzingis returns.



BBR says KP has played 35% of his minutes at center this season. That cant possibly be correct, right?


Hornacek made it sound like they would need to see Porzingis comfort level at the 5 + the offensive changes they will have to make to accommodate such a move (presumably drawing up touches for KP that Noah doesn't get) but you would think if he truly was playing 35% of his minutes at the 5 this wouldn't be such a big "reworking".
Gotta give Noah minutes  
giantsfan44ab : 1/19/2017 2:39 pm : link
Maybe if he continues his decent play you can flip him for Monroe to clear space.
RE: RE: Assuming Melo stays  
Deej : 1/19/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13332858 Aspano! said:
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This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.

My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.


I actually think it's probably more important to have Melo at the 4 at the beginning of the game, when the other team has it's starting lineup (i.e. probably best 5) in the game. In that circumstance, you probably want to save Melo from being a SF defensively. Noah-KP-Melo would work better at times when the other team has a sub in at SF.
RE: RE: PLayers  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13332864 Aspano! said:
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key to success making 72 million usually move to the bench because they are playing so well...



So your conclusion from that move is that Noah is terrible and deserves benching, versus moving the two best players on the team to positions that suit them much better given how the rest of the league is playing? Yikes.


My conclusion is Noah wouldn't be headed to the bench if he was playing up to his contract. He's an absolute zero offensively at this point and that makes it very hard to get the offense going. As it is teams know Rose isn't going to beat you from the outside, Noah doesn't even look at the rim. Clogs up the lanes even further.
Or better yet  
giantsfan44ab : 1/19/2017 2:42 pm : link
Flip Noah for Rubio/Shabazz
It  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:44 pm : link
should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists, that's tied for 8th among centers (with Monroe actually) and that's with 99% of his touches resulting in passes and not FGA.
14  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:44 pm : link
centers are averaging 2+ assists.
Josh Benjamin- Forbes  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:46 pm : link
"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."
RE: It  
dep026 : 1/19/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13332876 DanMetroMan said:
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should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,


I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.
Noah passing  
Deej : 1/19/2017 2:50 pm : link
so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.

Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.
RE: Josh Benjamin- Forbes  
Deej : 1/19/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13332884 DanMetroMan said:
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"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."


Counterpoint: He has a choice, and the better choice is not to bog the team down with a risky, massive Rose contract when signing Rose doesnt move them realistically any closer to title contention.
RE: RE: It  
Deej : 1/19/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13332887 dep026 said:
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should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,



I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.


Surprising opinion from this poster.
RE: RE: It  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13332887 dep026 said:
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should be noted that while Noah is a solid passer, the fact he doesn't even look for his own shot really negates that value. He's averaging a whopping 2.3 assists,



I like to call that the Melo-effect. Does anyone's assist numbers really go up playing with him? He is an iso player, so assists are tougher to get.


It's harder for your passes to result in assists when there are less "easy buckets" with the lane/lanes crowded. Even if you "love" Noah you have to see that opposing defenders know he's not even going to fake an outside shot (like Tyson Chandler would), Noah catches the ball and looks to pass it again on literally 99% of his possessions. He's taken 5 or less FGA 24/38 games played. As bad as his FT shooting has been, he's scored 214 points, 70 of those points have come at the line. 38 games played, so he's scoring under 4 points per game on actual shots made. Why even bother Ding him up?
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 2:56 pm : link
think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?
RE: I  
Deej : 1/19/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13332902 DanMetroMan said:
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think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?


Noah is better than Plumlee. Noah has actually been playing pretty good ball of late, once you forget the contract. The advanced stats like him too -- suggest a guy who could easily be the 5th best starter on a very good team. I do think the advanced stats are missing out a bit on just how inept his offense is, to the point that he can be ignored.

I think there are smarter ways to use Noah offensively, but for whatever reason they're not being employed. For example, if you're going to give him the ball 20 feet from the basket, do it by design and give him cutters. And yeah, try some triangle-type plays -- back to the basket in the post, give him two options to pass to (I suspect this doesnt work because he's such a non-threat to pull a move and score).
RE: RE: RE: Assuming Melo stays  
Aspano! : 1/19/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13332869 Deej said:
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This was my thinking, but I think you can still start Noah. Just give KP the bulk of the minutes at the 5 if that's the case. At the very least, Noah gives you the experienced body to bang with the bigger centers of the league, something you don't want KP doing at this point.

My hope is that at the end of the year they can package their 1st rounder and O'Quinn to move up in the draft if there's someone that they really want.



I actually think it's probably more important to have Melo at the 4 at the beginning of the game, when the other team has it's starting lineup (i.e. probably best 5) in the game. In that circumstance, you probably want to save Melo from being a SF defensively. Noah-KP-Melo would work better at times when the other team has a sub in at SF.


That's fair. I think the main takeaway is that KP should see more minutes at the 5 if that means that Melo gets more minutes at the 4. Melo just can't do anything on defense at the 3.
RE: Noah passing  
Keith : 1/19/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13332892 Deej said:
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so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.

Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.


I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.
RE: RE: I  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13332907 Deej said:
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think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?



Noah is better than Plumlee. Noah has actually been playing pretty good ball of late, once you forget the contract. The advanced stats like him too -- suggest a guy who could easily be the 5th best starter on a very good team. I do think the advanced stats are missing out a bit on just how inept his offense is, to the point that he can be ignored.

I think there are smarter ways to use Noah offensively, but for whatever reason they're not being employed. For example, if you're going to give him the ball 20 feet from the basket, do it by design and give him cutters. And yeah, try some triangle-type plays -- back to the basket in the post, give him two options to pass to (I suspect this doesnt work because he's such a non-threat to pull a move and score).


Noah is better than Plumlee. I'm just talking about counting stats backing up Porzingis/KOQ, I don't think we'd see some huge downgrade Plumlee's #'s to Noah's. As you said, in theory his passing adds more than it does. I'm not exaggerating when I say he doesn't even look at the basket the majority of the time when he receives the ball. There are times when he catches the ball near (or even deeper) than the FT line and then the defender backs off and Noah kicks it back out to Melo etc. We aren't seeing some sort of Sabonis/Divac situation where he's hitting guys in stride/cutting to the basket. They are useless passes most of the time.
RE: I  
Keith : 1/19/2017 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13332902 DanMetroMan said:
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think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?


Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.
RE: RE: Noah passing  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13332915 Keith said:
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so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.

Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.



I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.


Which would be "fine" if he either had some sort of offensive game to keep defenders honest or the Knicks ran more motion in their offense.
RE: this is like the 5th or 6th  
djm : 1/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13332259 Enzo said:
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different ailment to affect Noah already this season. Good thing he changed the culture though!


Looks bad...when you're right you're right. You can stop reminding us every day!

For the record I went nuts to a friend I work with when he told me they signed Noah. HE was high on it. I said why and he's always banged. He talked me off the ledge and then I bought in came here and fought the good fight. I still like that he's here in the locker room with KP as a shitty insurance policy but early returns look pretty bleak. Oh well...Knicks would suck anyway even if they didn't sign him. Tank...draft a stud...that's all I got.
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DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13332917 Keith said:
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think the Knicks would be just as good (if not better) with Porzingis backed up by KOQ, Willy and Plumlee vs. what they have done to this point. I'm not even sure Plumlee is a significant downgrade from Noah. He couldn't possibly chip in 5 and 9 or close to it?



Cmon. The dude has more minutes on a bus than he does with the knicks. This is a ridiculous take, IMO.


You don't think Plumlee just based on his size could grab 8 rebounds tonight if given 25 minutes? I'm not suggesting he's a good player (he's not). I'm saying there isn't much lost with KP/KOQ/WIlly/Plumlee. Noah's passing/rebounding isn't irreplaceable.
I do like the idea of Noah coming off the bench  
djm : 1/19/2017 3:13 pm : link
whatever..with the Knicks I feel like I am better off buying into the suck. They deliver suck so consistently over the years. But I can't help but root for them. I enjoyed last night's win...but they are probably better off losing out unless they can really save the season and battle toward 500 record. Not even sure that's worth much but with the young players, losing can be toxic.
Willy should be getting 20-25 minutes a game.  
giantsfan44ab : 1/19/2017 3:13 pm : link
He produces when he gets that. *one day* I can actually see him as a staple starter next to KP.
RE: Josh Benjamin- Forbes  
Enzo : 1/19/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13332884 DanMetroMan said:
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"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."

my eyes!
RE: RE: Josh Benjamin- Forbes  
djm : 1/19/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13332895 Deej said:
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"Simply put, Knicks president Phil Jackson has no choice. He has to re-sign Rose to a max contract this summer. The NBA salary cap will rise above $100 million this summer and, according to Spotrac, New York only has $77.2 million in active contracts for next season. Keeping Rose is a tough decision since he is already making $21.3 million in 2016-17, the final year of his contract, but he has earned that sum tremendously."



Counterpoint: He has a choice, and the better choice is not to bog the team down with a risky, massive Rose contract when signing Rose doesnt move them realistically any closer to title contention.


"they have no choice but to sign player X to max" --how many times have we heard THAT one before?!!

No. Just no.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:16 pm : link
just noticed the Celtics stashed Yabusele in China. He's averaging 20.5 points 9 boards 2 assists, 39% from 3. Hard to judge Chinese stats when Jimmer is averaging 37 and 7 though...
Willy has always been productive.  
bceagle05 : 1/19/2017 3:17 pm : link
Even in a limited role with Real Madrid - he had games where he got 10 minutes of action and gave you 6 points and 4 rebounds. His game is just so freaking smooth for a big man.
RE: Willy should be getting 20-25 minutes a game.  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13332925 giantsfan44ab said:
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He produces when he gets that. *one day* I can actually see him as a staple starter next to KP.


He's basically the perfect example of why it's tough to develop young players as you try and win games. His defense clearly isn't ready but how does it "get good" without playing games?
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 1/19/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13332931 DanMetroMan said:
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just noticed the Celtics stashed Yabusele in China. He's averaging 20.5 points 9 boards 2 assists, 39% from 3. Hard to judge Chinese stats when Jimmer is averaging 37 and 7 though...


i think anyone here could average 10 points in the chinese league
Jeremy  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:21 pm : link
Tyler is also in China averaging 20 and 10 despite coming off the bench...
it sucks that Phil  
Enzo : 1/19/2017 3:22 pm : link
was dead set on his ancient offense that "needs" to employ two traditional bigs. KP/Melo at the 5/4 surrounded by shooters isn't going to remind anyone of the Bad Boy Pistons on defense, but it would have likely represented their best chance at being competitive this season.

Regardless, here's what I would propose going forward:
Starters: KP/Melo/Kuz/Jennings/Lee
Bench: Rose/Noah/Holliday

Rose's ballhog act works better off the bench at this point of his career IMO, if at all. Lance can ride the bench. Willy gets the shaft but he can fill in for Noah who's always hurt and KP when he gets in foul trouble.
RE: RE: Noah passing  
Deej : 1/19/2017 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13332915 Keith said:
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so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.

Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.



I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.


Yeah, I just dont understand what the plan is on offense. Noah seems really ill-suited to play in an offense where the #1 and #2 options, Rose and Melo, both stand around waiting for the ball to come to them. Neither move to take a pass. KP isnt a "cutter" and is often in wait for spot up mode (or at least move in a set area angling to open a passing lane for a jumper).

It's really just a bunch of pieces with no organizing concept other than hero ball. The offense ends up "working" (15th in PP possession) I think mostly because you have 3 supernaturally talented scorers in Melo, Rose, and KP.
Maciej Lampe  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:24 pm : link
is averaging 23 and 12, Randolph Morris 22 and 9

It's like a Knicks graveyard over there
I was so fired up  
bceagle05 : 1/19/2017 3:29 pm : link
about Maciej Lampe back in the day.
RE: RE: RE: Noah passing  
Keith : 1/19/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13332944 Deej said:
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so often he flares out to accept a pass beyond the 3 point line. What the fuck is the point of this. What happens is they leave him open by 10 feet, you have 5 defenders guarding 4 guys, and there isnt space to do much.

Notably, they are NOT using him as a triangle big, taking passes in the post with his back to the basket.



I feel like this is the offense they are running, not what Noah wants to do. Almost every half court set starts with a big at the top of the key and they just hand him the ball to get the offense started.



Yeah, I just dont understand what the plan is on offense. Noah seems really ill-suited to play in an offense where the #1 and #2 options, Rose and Melo, both stand around waiting for the ball to come to them. Neither move to take a pass. KP isnt a "cutter" and is often in wait for spot up mode (or at least move in a set area angling to open a passing lane for a jumper).

It's really just a bunch of pieces with no organizing concept other than hero ball. The offense ends up "working" (15th in PP possession) I think mostly because you have 3 supernaturally talented scorers in Melo, Rose, and KP.


Agreed. I'm often watching and wondering what the plan is. They rely on Rose, Melo or KP to beat their man off the dribble almost the whole game. Their guard dribbles the ball up the court, hands it to the big at the top of the key and they give it back to the guard, set a pick and go from there.
RE: I was so fired up  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13332954 bceagle05 said:
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about Maciej Lampe back in the day.


I was working at a summer camp that summer and had to miss the draft for parents night. My friends would keep me updated. We supposedly liked Lampe at #9, when we landed both he and Sweetney I thought we hit a home run....
2003 draft  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:40 pm : link
Lebron, Melo, Bosh, Wade

Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol
Thoughts on Rose for Rubio/Muhammed(or a better piece)?  
Keith : 1/19/2017 3:41 pm : link
If melo isn't going anywhere, theres no point in breaking everything down, so accumulate assets where you can. Rubio is not very good, but his contract is reasonable and he can distribute. Muhammed or another piece, would be an asset.

Thoughts?
Knick fans were giddy  
Enzo : 1/19/2017 3:44 pm : link
for Lampe and Milos...and even Slavko who was like 7-6. But then Isiah got hired, immediately cut Slavko, and included Lampe and Milos in the Marbury deal and that was the end of that.
That draft  
Deej : 1/19/2017 3:44 pm : link
Weird, I also remember where I was for that pick (firm event with a TV on). That pick is like our Kennedy assassination moment.

Felt like an 8 player draft and we had pick 9. I think I was hoping on Kaman, because I liked that he could shoot with both hands.
RE: 2003 draft  
Enzo : 1/19/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13332971 DanMetroMan said:
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Lebron, Melo, Bosh, Wade

Kaman, Josh Howard, Ridnour, TJ Ford, David West, Diaw, Barbosa, Korver, Mo Williams, Collison, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Perkins, Delfino, Zaza and yet the Knicks ended up with 2 absolute zeroes lol

true, but Sweetney wasn't a bust due to a lack of talent.
Vranes  
DanMetroMan : 1/19/2017 3:47 pm : link
plays in... Iran. Averaging 11 and 10 with 3 blocks
Rubio is a guy I think you need to see play  
Deej : 1/19/2017 3:48 pm : link
30 times to really assess whether he is worth having a PG who cant shoot a lick on a long deal. Can you play Rubio and Noah at the same time?
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