23. NYG Gerald Everett TE So Alabama
"Get to know this name. Everett has a lot of similarities to Jordan Reed and he would crush it in the Giants' offensive system, surrounded by Odell Beckham Jr. and Sterling Shepard." Link - ( New Window )
23. New York Giants
"Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
It’s going to happen. Someday, the Giants will add a playmaking talent to their linebacking corps. So why not this year? Cunningham loves to take on blockers and he sheds them well and his nose for the ball led to his 56 solo run stops that led all Power-5 linebackers. He has the skills to excel in coverage as well, it’s just a matter of getting better as a tackler where he’s missed 34 over the last two years. The Giants’ defense took major steps forward in 2016, but there’s still plenty of room for improvement at the linebacker level." Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely not with OJ Howard still on the board. We're not taking a mid major conference move TE when you have a two way All American TE that still has tremendous upside available to you, especially when we desperately need a blocking TE. I like Jeremiah but that's a swing and a miss and will change in his next mock.
In the Senior Bowl next week. Granted it's against weaker competition, but his TD numbers are way better than Howard. That's the one thing that scares me with Howard. He only has 7 TDs in 4 seasons at Alabama. If I recall correctly 3 of those 7 were blown coverages against Clemson.
is pretty steep, especially behind a guy who never misses games. Especially when you can always find the next Lorenzen, Carr, or Josh Johnson off the FA pile.
I am a season ticket holder to Air Force football and we played So Alabama in our bowl game this year. Maybe this guy was hurt however he did not show up on the stat sheet for the game nor do I recall him being highlighted throughout the game. Maybe I missed something. AFA kicked their ass after a slow start. So please someone add to this guy's resume.
Let's not pretend like they have so many holes they couldnt survive a pick made with an eye toward the slightly more distant future. It's one pick, additional needs like OL, TE can be addressed in the middle rounds.
If they are lucky enough to be gifted an A+ talent at QB with the 23rd pick, it would be nice to have the future in place.
Let's not pretend like they have so many holes they couldnt survive a pick made with an eye toward the slightly more distant future. It's one pick, additional needs like OL, TE can be addressed in the middle rounds.
If they are lucky enough to be gifted an A+ talent at QB with the 23rd pick, it would be nice to have the future in place.
An "A+" talent At QB isn't making it out of the top 5 in this QB hungry league.
is pretty steep, especially behind a guy who never misses games. Especially when you can always find the next Lorenzen, Carr, or Josh Johnson off the FA pile.
Well, teams do it all the time and with starters getting injured quite frequently it's good to groom a kid rather than the vets you mentioned who proved they couldn't do much of anything. You don't pay millions for Carr with no upside at the expense of 4th Rounder who could have upside.
I'm not 100% convinced he's a future LT, but I think the potential is there. I might be tempted to take him at 23 given how crappy the LT situation is.
are usually really, really wrong and often not even in the same solar system with what happens on draft day. Still, mocks are good to initiate discussions among fans.
Inevitably, a top player will be surprisingly still on the board on draft day as a few teams ahead of the Giants reach. It will be a surprise and Kiper will be shaking his head in unbelief that some team picked a player that he can't believe.
As for me: I just want them to focus on the offensive line. Unless OJ Howard is still on the board at 23, please, please, please get a big lineman.
since Cam Newton, and I happen to think he has a better head on his shoulders which is Cam's biggest problem.
Sure that doesnt make him automatic in the pros. But his body of work is far greater than "one" Alabama game.
I would expect if/when Watson got to pick #20, plenty of teams would start calling to trade back in round 1 anyway.
QB grading is such an inexact science. I mean, to think that in the last 10 years the same "draft experts" and NFL teams concluded Blaine Gabbert, Mark Sanchez, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Sam Bradford should be high picks.
None of those guys when they came out had amassed the resume that Watson did. Or were they given higher marks because of what they measured out at the Combine.
Do these teams really know what they are looking at when evaluating this position? The answer is no.
It's almost like if the guy isn't Andrew Luck or John Elway coming out, where the guys talent is so obvious, teams and draft experts are just throwing out a bunch of stuff and hoping they are correct.
that draft, I would take Bolles. Don't care that he's 25. Great feet, and has upside. His best football is ahead of him. He hasn't reached his ceiling. I'd also be happy with Cunningham. This team desperately needs a coverage LB who excels in space. Cunningham is also relentless, and can "bend the edge."
No interest in Watson. For once, I agree with dep. Most of his plays were in the shotgun, and he may not even be 6'2'. I don't think he meets the size requirements the Giants have for the position.
I also can't see the Giants taking Everett with Howard still on the board.
But if the Giants are convinced he will be their QB two years from now, then you take him. You don't want to be in the spot where every team knows you need a QB and need one now. That's why Philly paid a first for Bradford.
that draft, I would take Bolles. Don't care that he's 25. Great feet, and has upside. His best football is ahead of him. He hasn't reached his ceiling. I'd also be happy with Cunningham. This team desperately needs a coverage LB who excels in space. Cunningham is also relentless, and can "bend the edge."
No interest in Watson. For once, I agree with dep. Most of his plays were in the shotgun, and he may not even be 6'2'. I don't think he meets the size requirements the Giants have for the position.
I also can't see the Giants taking Everett with Howard still on the board.
Bolles is going to have an interesting combine. The interview process is critical for him. He has a record, served jail time, has used drugs in the past, kicked out of several schools as a teen. He's like a rated R version of The Blind Side. From all accounts, it looks like he's turned his life around and I think he's married now but he will be grilled next week at the Senior Bowl and next month at the combine.
tackler...kind of looks like he's trying to bring a steer down, holding on for all he's worth. Never hits a guy and stops him in his tracks, ala Harry Carson.
that draft, I would take Bolles. Don't care that he's 25. Great feet, and has upside. His best football is ahead of him. He hasn't reached his ceiling. I'd also be happy with Cunningham. This team desperately needs a coverage LB who excels in space. Cunningham is also relentless, and can "bend the edge."
No interest in Watson. For once, I agree with dep. Most of his plays were in the shotgun, and he may not even be 6'2'. I don't think he meets the size requirements the Giants have for the position.
I also can't see the Giants taking Everett with Howard still on the board.
Bolles is going to have an interesting combine. The interview process is critical for him. He has a record, served jail time, has used drugs in the past, kicked out of several schools as a teen. He's like a rated R version of The Blind Side. From all accounts, it looks like he's turned his life around and I think he's married now but he will be grilled next week at the Senior Bowl and next month at the combine.
Yup. That's the question with Bolles. So if the Giants passed, I'd understand, but he seems to have really turned his life around. Wing had some problems, but did the same, and the Giants traded for him. Having kids and getting married seemed to help both.
Let's not pretend like they have so many holes they couldnt survive a pick made with an eye toward the slightly more distant future. It's one pick, additional needs like OL, TE can be addressed in the middle rounds.
If they are lucky enough to be gifted an A+ talent at QB with the 23rd pick, it would be nice to have the future in place.
An "A+" talent At QB isn't making it out of the top 5 in this QB hungry league.
Every year the Giants are mocked TEs and LBs in half the mocks. When will we learn?
Normally you'd be right, but there's a good chance an impact, playmaker TE and/or LB will be there at 23. Both are needs -- TE from a talent perspective, LB from a roster perspective as a few guys are set to hit FA.
While its clear NYG track record suggests CB, DE or WR Â
Every year the Giants are mocked TEs and LBs in half the mocks. When will we learn?
When will we learn not to make predication about team drafting strategy based on tiny samples? People said we'd never take an OL high. They also said we'd never take a RB high. Oops.
Howard is hot because of the Alabama factor and Hodges because of his measurables, but Njoku is the best all around NFL prospect that people like as the best TE out of this class.
Drafting Ryan Nassib when we did was stupid. Drafting a QB to groom for 2-3 years right now would be very smart.
If he's not there, as I expect he won't be, I still like O.J. Howard or McCaffrey.
i dont get this idea. WE NEED AN IMPACT PLAYER IN ROUND 1. eli has like 2 years left, we need to WIN NOW. fuck watson, draft a TE, WR, RB, DE or LB. someone who can make an immediate impact
Howard is hot because of the Alabama factor and Hodges because of his measurables, but Njoku is the best all around NFL prospect that people like as the best TE out of this class.
I know a few people like Njoku more than Howard. I don't know why (effort/heart was one of the listed reasons). Njoku looks awful at blocking from what I've watched. Do you think Njoku is a better pick than Howard?
and it's ridiculous to think the best player in college football falls to #5 let alone #23.
Who says he won't? The process hasn't begun for these tea,s to grade out players. And even if he does last until 23, does that mean he sucks and teams that pass on him haven't made a mistake?
It won't happen. He's talking out of his ass. Doesn't fit Reese's criteria for a 1st round pick (big school, splash position-DE, CB, WR, QB or LT). If Everett is still there in round 2, he'll consider him. Given the level of competition, I'd prefer him in the 3rd.
"Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
It’s going to happen. Someday, the Giants will add a playmaking talent to their linebacking corps. So why not this year? Cunningham loves to take on blockers and he sheds them well and his nose for the ball led to his 56 solo run stops that led all Power-5 linebackers. He has the skills to excel in coverage as well, it’s just a matter of getting better as a tackler where he’s missed 34 over the last two years. The Giants’ defense took major steps forward in 2016, but there’s still plenty of room for improvement at the linebacker level."
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Drafting Ryan Nassib when we did was stupid. Drafting a QB to groom for 2-3 years right now would be very smart.
If he's not there, as I expect he won't be, I still like O.J. Howard or McCaffrey.
Drafting Ryan Nassib when we did was stupid. Drafting a QB to groom for 2-3 years right now would be very smart.
If he's not there, as I expect he won't be, I still like O.J. Howard or McCaffrey.
Massive was never supposed to be our next guy. He was a backup. He is a back up. When we drafted him we knew Eli had another 7-8 years.
Drafting Ryan Nassib when we did was stupid. Drafting a QB to groom for 2-3 years right now would be very smart.
If he's not there, as I expect he won't be, I still like O.J. Howard or McCaffrey.
It wasn't stupid. Using a cheap 4th round pick on a QB rather than resigning a more costly Carr was smart. Pittsburgh did the same thing.
Some may believe it's stupid to use a costly #1 to ride the bench when you already have a franchise QB in desperate need of some OL blocking today.
If they are lucky enough to be gifted an A+ talent at QB with the 23rd pick, it would be nice to have the future in place.
If they are lucky enough to be gifted an A+ talent at QB with the 23rd pick, it would be nice to have the future in place.
An "A+" talent At QB isn't making it out of the top 5 in this QB hungry league.
Well, teams do it all the time and with starters getting injured quite frequently it's good to groom a kid rather than the vets you mentioned who proved they couldn't do much of anything. You don't pay millions for Carr with no upside at the expense of 4th Rounder who could have upside.
Really hoping I heard "the Jets select . . . ."
lol
Sure that doesnt make him automatic in the pros. But his body of work is far greater than "one" Alabama game.
I would expect if/when Watson got to pick #20, plenty of teams would start calling to trade back in round 1 anyway.
Howard
Robinson, who fell out of this mock
Bolles
Davis (UF LB)
No way I take Jeremish's TE
Inevitably, a top player will be surprisingly still on the board on draft day as a few teams ahead of the Giants reach. It will be a surprise and Kiper will be shaking his head in unbelief that some team picked a player that he can't believe.
As for me: I just want them to focus on the offensive line. Unless OJ Howard is still on the board at 23, please, please, please get a big lineman.
As for me: I just want them to focus on the offensive line. Unless OJ Howard is still on the board at 23, please, please, please get a big lineman.
Agreed
As far as QB, I would consider Kelly as high as Round 3 b/c I think he's gone earlier that the Giants pick in around 4.
Sure that doesnt make him automatic in the pros. But his body of work is far greater than "one" Alabama game.
I would expect if/when Watson got to pick #20, plenty of teams would start calling to trade back in round 1 anyway.
QB grading is such an inexact science. I mean, to think that in the last 10 years the same "draft experts" and NFL teams concluded Blaine Gabbert, Mark Sanchez, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Sam Bradford should be high picks.
None of those guys when they came out had amassed the resume that Watson did. Or were they given higher marks because of what they measured out at the Combine.
Do these teams really know what they are looking at when evaluating this position? The answer is no.
It's almost like if the guy isn't Andrew Luck or John Elway coming out, where the guys talent is so obvious, teams and draft experts are just throwing out a bunch of stuff and hoping they are correct.
Every year the Giants are mocked TEs and LBs in half the mocks. When will we learn?
No interest in Watson. For once, I agree with dep. Most of his plays were in the shotgun, and he may not even be 6'2'. I don't think he meets the size requirements the Giants have for the position.
I also can't see the Giants taking Everett with Howard still on the board.
Every year the Giants are mocked TEs and LBs in half the mocks. When will we learn?
They may very well have taken Leonard Floyd if he was available at 10 last year. In fact, some say it was a certainty.
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No interest in Watson. For once, I agree with dep. Most of his plays were in the shotgun, and he may not even be 6'2'. I don't think he meets the size requirements the Giants have for the position.
I also can't see the Giants taking Everett with Howard still on the board.
Bolles is going to have an interesting combine. The interview process is critical for him. He has a record, served jail time, has used drugs in the past, kicked out of several schools as a teen. He's like a rated R version of The Blind Side. From all accounts, it looks like he's turned his life around and I think he's married now but he will be grilled next week at the Senior Bowl and next month at the combine.
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that draft, I would take Bolles. Don't care that he's 25. Great feet, and has upside. His best football is ahead of him. He hasn't reached his ceiling. I'd also be happy with Cunningham. This team desperately needs a coverage LB who excels in space. Cunningham is also relentless, and can "bend the edge."
No interest in Watson. For once, I agree with dep. Most of his plays were in the shotgun, and he may not even be 6'2'. I don't think he meets the size requirements the Giants have for the position.
I also can't see the Giants taking Everett with Howard still on the board.
Bolles is going to have an interesting combine. The interview process is critical for him. He has a record, served jail time, has used drugs in the past, kicked out of several schools as a teen. He's like a rated R version of The Blind Side. From all accounts, it looks like he's turned his life around and I think he's married now but he will be grilled next week at the Senior Bowl and next month at the combine.
Yup. That's the question with Bolles. So if the Giants passed, I'd understand, but he seems to have really turned his life around. Wing had some problems, but did the same, and the Giants traded for him. Having kids and getting married seemed to help both.
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Let's not pretend like they have so many holes they couldnt survive a pick made with an eye toward the slightly more distant future. It's one pick, additional needs like OL, TE can be addressed in the middle rounds.
If they are lucky enough to be gifted an A+ talent at QB with the 23rd pick, it would be nice to have the future in place.
An "A+" talent At QB isn't making it out of the top 5 in this QB hungry league.
Aaron Rogers went 24.
Every year the Giants are mocked TEs and LBs in half the mocks. When will we learn?
Normally you'd be right, but there's a good chance an impact, playmaker TE and/or LB will be there at 23. Both are needs -- TE from a talent perspective, LB from a roster perspective as a few guys are set to hit FA.
If we happen to retain JPP and DRC, there is no greater opportunity to use this next draft to grab an athletic Tight End or Linebacker early.
Every year the Giants are mocked TEs and LBs in half the mocks. When will we learn?
When will we learn not to make predication about team drafting strategy based on tiny samples? People said we'd never take an OL high. They also said we'd never take a RB high. Oops.
Ryan Massive LMAO
Drafting Ryan Nassib when we did was stupid. Drafting a QB to groom for 2-3 years right now would be very smart.
If he's not there, as I expect he won't be, I still like O.J. Howard or McCaffrey.
i dont get this idea. WE NEED AN IMPACT PLAYER IN ROUND 1. eli has like 2 years left, we need to WIN NOW. fuck watson, draft a TE, WR, RB, DE or LB. someone who can make an immediate impact
I know a few people like Njoku more than Howard. I don't know why (effort/heart was one of the listed reasons). Njoku looks awful at blocking from what I've watched. Do you think Njoku is a better pick than Howard?
Who says he won't? The process hasn't begun for these tea,s to grade out players. And even if he does last until 23, does that mean he sucks and teams that pass on him haven't made a mistake?
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you run to the podium.
Drafting Ryan Nassib when we did was stupid. Drafting a QB to groom for 2-3 years right now would be very smart.
If he's not there, as I expect he won't be, I still like O.J. Howard or McCaffrey.
It wasn't stupid. Using a cheap 4th round pick on a QB rather than resigning a more costly Carr was smart. Pittsburgh did the same thing.
Some may believe it's stupid to use a costly #1 to ride the bench when you already have a franchise QB in desperate need of some OL blocking today.
drafting Nassib wasn't stupid but moving up in the draft to get him was...
Also instantly adds a $9mil cap hit