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NFT: NY Rangers @ Toronto Maple Leafs - Round 2 - 7:30pm

MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 11:40 am

I'll start this bitch before Anak continues the losing streak around here. Staal and Puempel are skating again, but did not make the trip, and Quickie is out through the all-star break. I presume Lindberg gets the audition the next 4 games.

No word on goalie tonight - Hank spoke like he was preparing to start tonight, but AV also threw him under the bus a bit yesterday at his press conference saying Hank is in "unchartered territory" and "no doubt has a confidence issue" while also stating we need our goaltending to be a lot better. Spent less than 3 seconds yesterday talking about defensive liability/structure, in fact said all other non-goaltending aspects of the team were trending in the right direction. OK then.

Not the team you want to be facing when you're goalie/defense are in shambles, but one thing we've seen this year, just when you think the chips are down, they fight and come through.

Lets start a win streak tonight, fellas.
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FI-RE VI-GNEAULT  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 11:41 am : link
*clap clap clapclapclap*
haha  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 11:43 am : link
28-17 overall in a year we thought we'd take a step back and battle for a 7/8 seed. I cant be too hard on him.

I'd much rather Gorton overhaul this defense this February/march and position ourselves better for coming years than worry about firing AV right now.
He's 2/3s of a very good coach  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 11:52 am : link
He simply has no ability to adjust and his personnel decisions are awful. Probably would be a terrific assistant to a good HC.
MAB  
ColHowPepper : 1/19/2017 12:00 pm : link
do you have a link to yesterday's AV pc?
Sure, its on the Rangers website  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 12:01 pm : link

attached linky


AV presser post yesterday's practice - ( New Window )
Got to see us play for a while  
Carl in CT : 1/19/2017 12:06 pm : link
When healthy. I don't think he is doing a bad job at all.
Im trying to imagine what an ideal coach/GM would do  
Deej : 1/19/2017 12:18 pm : link
Fact is AV has been given a terrible D corps. Girardi, Klein, and to a slightly lesser extent Staal, are all donezo. I think a trade needs to be made and DG needs to sit, but even then, what are the pairs?

McD-Skjei
Holden-new guy
Staal-Clendo

How much better would our record be? I think Girardi for a marginal dman buys us a game or two. Skjei isnt ready for top 2 minutes, and even a Holden-Skjei pairing would probably be significantly over their heads as a #2 pair.

Also, I think they're in a terrible rut right now and it's not all that productive to evaluate a coach who has been successful here and elsewhere based on a bad 10-15 game stretch. He's on notice because we never pulled out of last year's rut, but major changes were made in the offseason to the F corps. I give AV at least thru this season, but if the same fate awaits us as last year, either AV or several of the Ds have to go.
MAB, thankee for linky  
ColHowPepper : 1/19/2017 12:27 pm : link
going to give a listen...is he in such deep denial about how his team d is faring? Been nightmarish in recent games. Tonight will be a challenge: Leafs so quick, move the puck so well, not a good look for the current HL.

Probably not going to be a live URL because BBI's link format and NYT links (too many characters) but a nice piece on Troy Terry at the USA World Junior Championships [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/sports/hockey/a-hot-hand-in-shootouts-creates-an-american-hockey-hero.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fhockey&action=click&contentCollection=hockey®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0[/url]
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A sophomore center at the University of Denver, Terry burst into the spotlight this month when he led the United States to a win at the world junior championship. First, in a tense semifinal against Russia, he scored three times in a decisive shootout, each time slipping the puck between the goalies legs.

A day later, in another shootout for the gold medal against Canada, the tournament host and favorite, Terry scored the only goal out of 10 attempts by either team again beating the goaltender between the legs.

The guys on the bench were telling me not to do it, Terry said of his bold shot selection. The goalie would definitely take that spot away, they told him.

But I came in and I saw the opening, and I just had to go for it, he said.

Not a bad stretch for a player who was not even sure he would make the roster for the tournament....

Troy Terry scoring on goaltender Carter Hart of Canada in a shootout during the Jan. 5 gold medal game. Credit Minas Panagiotakis/Getty Images
Terrys run of good fortune did hit a bump last weekend, as he sustained an unspecified upper body injury playing here against Western Michigan. He is expected to be out at least a couple of weeks.

Still, the gold medal victory was a major boost for him, as well as for American hockey especially after the United States dismal showing in the World Cup of Hockey in September. The victory over Canada gave the United States three gold medals at the junior championship in the last seven years, while Canada has won once in that period....
Terrys performance somewhat overshadowed the United States goaltender, Tyler Parsons, of Chesterfield, Mich. A Calgary Flames draft choice currently playing for the London Knights of the Ontario Hockey League, Parsons made 46 saves and stopped all five shootout attempts in the gold medal game.
how about BENCH THE KI-ING  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2017 12:28 pm : link
*clap clap clapclapclap*??

Bad 10-15 game stretch, deej? They won 5 of 6 going into that stupid bye week. They pummeled the Orange Crud at Philly and won an exciting comeback game AT Columbus.
My former high school teammate  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2017 12:29 pm : link
and now coach of my former high school.

I don't think he ever actually made it to the Rangers, but played for the Binghamton Rangers and then the Wolfpack for a long time.

3rd round pick in 1991. Todd Hall. One of the most talented players I've been on the ice with.

And here he is  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 12:41 pm : link
Nope, never made it to the show. Did play five seasons in the A.

The best baseball player I ever shared a field with was a 13th round draft pick and topped out at AA, and by "topped out" I mean he got absolutely bombed at that level. Dude was like Randy Johnson in Little League and HS ball, though. Always is a nice reminder of how incredibly good you have to be even to play at any professional level.
duh...forgot the link  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 12:41 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
RE: FI-RE VI-GNEAULT  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2017 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13332430 Greg from LI said:
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*clap clap clapclapclap*


Who would you replace him with? I think he's a top ten coach, easily.

I thought he was brutal last year. I just don't think he has the options this year.
a top ten coach would have parked Girardi in the press box ages ago  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 12:48 pm : link
Or, at the very least, kept him on the third pair and limited his ice time as much as possible.
Good job MAB  
B in ALB : 1/19/2017 12:49 pm : link
every thread Anak Kiper Jr. has tainted has led to losses. Pathetic.

LGR.
RE: RE: FI-RE VI-GNEAULT  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13332576 BrettNYG10 said:
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*clap clap clapclapclap*



Who would you replace him with? I think he's a top ten coach, easily.

I thought he was brutal last year. I just don't think he has the options this year.


You know I can't stand the trio of Vigneault, Therrien, or Julien. I'd fire all three.

my latest coach du jour I'd hire if somehow Mike Sullivan or Peter Laviolette doesn't become available is Todd Reirden, he's an assistant now with the Caps, came over from the Pens, and coached in SWB for a while.

If you want a retread I'd gladly take Dineen, Hartley, even Oates or Gallant over any of the trio above.
Hartley's an interesting one  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 1:01 pm : link
Can't say I know a whole lot about how he coaches, though.
RE: a top ten coach would have parked Girardi in the press box ages ago  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13332595 Greg from LI said:
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Or, at the very least, kept him on the third pair and limited his ice time as much as possible.


You know I'm with you on Girardi. I just think there's a ton more flawed coaches. We saw similar favoritism from Torts.

It's up to Gorton to fix the blind spots.

Pj, the guy I think is severely underrated is Boudreau. I think he's a great coach.
I don't know about that  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 1:08 pm : link
I'm not a "win or you suck" guy, but at some point Boudreau has to do something in playoffs to be considered a great coach. It's not as if he hasn't had talented teams, yet one conference final appearance is what he has to show for it. Vigneault's record looks like Scotty Bowman next to that.
I dont know  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 1:10 pm : link
about Ray Liotta Adam Oates.

He did a pretty lousy job in Washington, and we've seen what a good coach (Barry Trotz) has been able to do with that team since he left.

I'd easily put Trotz by the way in your Laviolette/Sullivan camp.
RE: RE: a top ten coach would have parked Girardi in the press box ages ago  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13332626 BrettNYG10 said:
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Or, at the very least, kept him on the third pair and limited his ice time as much as possible.



You know I'm with you on Girardi. I just think there's a ton more flawed coaches. We saw similar favoritism from Torts.

It's up to Gorton to fix the blind spots.

Pj, the guy I think is severely underrated is Boudreau. I think he's a great coach.


Boudreau is great put him in the group with Sullivan and Laviolette (even ahead of Laviolette). 10 full seasons as a head coach 9 1st place finishes. When the Caps replaced him with Dale Hunter I was literally laughing. But you lose so many game 7's you get a reputation, nonetheless have to win to be a winner but he is a great coach IMO.

if he's available it's a no-brainer. It's unlikely he is available though.
Oh, and I'm a big Mike Babcock guy too  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 1:12 pm : link

Toronto seems to be headed in the right direction from what I can tell.
RE: I dont know  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13332645 MetsAreBack said:
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we've seen what a good coach (Barry Trotz) has been able to do with that team since he left.


Flame out in the playoffs like every other Caps coach ever?
or take a team that was blown out at home  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 1:16 pm : link
in game 7 of first round by a badly injured Rangers team in 2013 & missed the playoffs entirely in 2014....

only to take over in 2014-2015 and after a slow start play at Presidents Cup pace in 2nd half but lose to Presidents Cup team in game 7 in their building in OT (after dominating the first 8 minutes of that overtime).... then win the Presidents Cup last year and give the Penguins their toughest test of last year's postseason (Tampa did win an extra game I guess, but every one of Pitt's wins in the TB series felt/looked easy) .... and has them the likely Presidents Trophy team again this year.

And oh by the way he did a great job in Nashville too.

Yeah, I'd say he's easily a top 3 coach in this league.
Trotz  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2017 1:22 pm : link
is a great coach. I love how he's handled Ovie. for a while Ovie seemed like such a lazy player to me, a coach killer if you will. so talented but so unmotivated. Trotz handled him well IMO and has gotten a lot out of him.

I mentioned Sullivan and Laviolette sort of as jokes since both have SC wins and neither will be available and they're the anti-AV, Therrien, Julien style coaches.

Sully and Lavy are like Boudreau, Babcock, Trotz, Quennville and maybe a handful of others who also won't be available.

It's hilarious how personally you take it when anyone doesn't  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 1:22 pm : link
fall all over themselves praising the Caps.
RE: It's hilarious how personally you take it when anyone doesn't  
Deej : 1/19/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13332680 Greg from LI said:
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fall all over themselves praising the Caps.


When I was first getting into the Rangers in my pre-teen years, for some reason we kept getting tickets to Caps games. And Peter Bondra would invariably kill us. The guy clearly hated me, and the feeling was mutual.

The Caps therefore hold a special place of hate in my heart.
Not taking it personally at all  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
3 years ago I thought the Caps were finished. Turns out putting in a new GM and Coach not only made them a playoff team again, but turned them into legit Cup favorites two years running.

Losing to Sidney Crosby in 6 hard fought games, in which the Caps controlled play in 3 or 4 of those games, doesn't make anyone a failure.

I'm guessing your hatred/contempt for the Caps (and Skins for that matter) stems from living so close to DC.
Two words: John Druce  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
Not quite as bad as the Ron Francis goal for worst Rangers playoff moments, but it runs a close second.

Plus, they've made me endure Craig Laughlin's voice for two decades.
Oh ... and Fuck Tony  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 1:31 pm : link
and his insincere 'good luck tonight fellas, hope for no injuries' bullshit.
Let them win something for once in their franchise history  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 1:33 pm : link
Then I'll give them a pat on the back. They've been putative Cup favorites for most of the past ten years yet haven't made it out of the second round in almost 20 years. Fuck them.
RE: Two words: John Druce  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13332701 Greg from LI said:
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Not quite as bad as the Ron Francis goal for worst Rangers playoff moments, but it runs a close second.

Plus, they've made me endure Craig Laughlin's voice for two decades.


I'd go to a lot of Caps games when I live in NoVA, usually Bruins since my wife is a Bruins fan, and there was always more opposing team fans than Caps fans.

These were the Bondra, Pivonka, Juneau (?), Hunter, Olie the goalie days. the stadium in Landover was stupid, and Laughlin has one of the worst announcing styles in hockey, so I hated them too.

And of course they need to win before you crown them, but I see nothing wrong with acknowledging Trotz as a great coach and the Caps as cup contenders, just makes it more special when they lose.
I always hated how they'd pronounce Juneau's name  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 1:48 pm : link
ZHO-ay....fuck you

It seemed like everyone on the '90s Caps teams played for them for 15+ years apiece - Pivonka, Bondra, Hunter, Calle Johansson, Kelly Miller, Steve Konowalchuk, etc.
best I can tell, one of the factors not much discussed  
ColHowPepper : 1/19/2017 1:49 pm : link
here is the relationship between AV and the GM. With Slats gone and Gorton the newcomer in, did that change the weight of opinion in the room in terms of player evaluation, playing time, player (d-man) selection, in a way that is more incomprehensible to fans and either more or less of an indictment of AV?

I don't pretend to know, just asking. Certainly, to me, it seems that his (AV) hands are tied on the back line because there are just not a lot of better options. The entire corps has been weak, although this doesn't explain the prolonged healthy scratches of Clendo, who has shone a bit off and on, but somewhat inconsistent in his own end (some glaring, bad judgments in some of his clearance attempts).

There are the occasional mixing of pairings, so that would seem to indicate some awareness that all is not right notwithstanding the lack of frank critique directed at the d-men.
RE: I always hated how they'd pronounce Juneau's name  
pjcas18 : 1/19/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13332749 Greg from LI said:
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ZHO-ay....fuck you

It seemed like everyone on the '90s Caps teams played for them for 15+ years apiece - Pivonka, Bondra, Hunter, Calle Johansson, Kelly Miller, Steve Konowalchuk, etc.


I hated how Laughlin would call them Pivo, Kono, Jonesy, Oatesy, only guy I liked on those teams was Chris Simon because he was an animal.
he put da biscuit in da basket! *in the most nasal voice possible*  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 2:08 pm : link
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
RE: I don't know about that  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13332641 Greg from LI said:
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I'm not a "win or you suck" guy, but at some point Boudreau has to do something in playoffs to be considered a great coach. It's not as if he hasn't had talented teams, yet one conference final appearance is what he has to show for it. Vigneault's record looks like Scotty Bowman next to that.


I figured I'd get push back on that - I think his teams consistently outperform during the year but can't do so come playoff time because of the competition. This Minnesota team is this good, for example.
Speaking of the Wild  
bigbluehoya : 1/19/2017 2:33 pm : link
Sounds like Brodin out for at least a month. Really having a good bounce-back year after a so-so 15-16.

Maybe Staal would waive to reunite with his brother. We can take back another bad contract in Pominville, but 2 years shorter and slightly cheaper on the cap. Pipe dream, as both players have NMCs, and Minn is probably loathe to put more resources into the D.
*loath*  
bigbluehoya : 1/19/2017 3:56 pm : link
God damnit
Shattenkirk  
Anakim : 1/19/2017 4:04 pm : link
Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
Friedman: "There is a belief out there, rightly or wrongly, that he wants to be a Ranger." #stlblues #NYR
RE: RE: I always hated how they'd pronounce Juneau's name  
pganut : 1/19/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13332784 pjcas18 said:
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ZHO-ay....fuck you

It seemed like everyone on the '90s Caps teams played for them for 15+ years apiece - Pivonka, Bondra, Hunter, Calle Johansson, Kelly Miller, Steve Konowalchuk, etc.



I hated how Laughlin would call them Pivo, Kono, Jonesy, Oatesy, only guy I liked on those teams was Chris Simon because he was an animal.
Who, of course they called "Sy". The current Laughlin/Beninati tandem is still just as grating with Locker's referral to one's head as a "coconut", Beninati's over-the-top goal calls, or the inherent creepiness of calling Kuznetsov "Koozy". But I surmise many of you would like Beninati. Grew up on LI but was a Rangers fan.
This is Laughlin's 27th season doing color for them  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 4:33 pm : link
He got the job immediately after retiring. Ridiculous.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/19/2017 5:18 pm : link
I think Trotz is overrated. Never been outside the second round.
RE: Shattenkirk  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13333011 Anakim said:
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Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
Friedman: "There is a belief out there, rightly or wrongly, that he wants to be a Ranger." #stlblues #NYR


Is that quote from a year ago? And Yandle wanted to be a Bruin. And Stamkos wanted to be a Leaf.

If the Rangers offer him $7 mil a year at 5 years ... I'm sure he'll come here... money talks, every time... and I'm not sure we can commit that capital to yet another guy approaching 30.
Let's get a fucking win.  
bigbluehoya : 1/19/2017 7:31 pm : link
LGR
There ya fuckin' go  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 7:54 pm : link
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Zucc  
bigbluehoya : 1/19/2017 7:57 pm : link
May not be finding the nylon himself but he's piling up the points
well.....  
MetsAreBack : 1/19/2017 8:02 pm : link
buckle your seatbelts again.
Where the hell was  
Stufftherun : 1/19/2017 8:04 pm : link
Holden going and of course # 8 left dumbfounded!
Great start  
Kyle in NY : 1/19/2017 8:04 pm : link
botched by Kevin Klein. He should not be in the lineup every night when Staal gets healthy and/or a trade is made
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