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Adrian Peterson on ESPN: Giants Potential New Team?

kash94 : 1/19/2017 12:16 pm
Saw this on twitter but apparently Adrian Peterson was on First Take this morning and openly talked about other teams he'd be interested in signing with if the Vikings cut him this offseason.

Mentioned the Giants, Tampa, and Houston as possible destinations.

Didn't see it live so not sure if that was taken out of context but thought it was interesting. Would you be interested in Peterson at this point at the right price?
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Also,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
I have no problem with Perkins. But I don't see him as a bellcow back. They will need a complimentary back anyway, and - just my opinion - but I think Michael provides that.
RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
T-Bone : 1/19/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:
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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?


He was their leading rusher because they could never have a RB stay healthy or effective for more than a few games.
RE: RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13332693 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:


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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?



The rumors on the Seattle side were that he was either incapable or not interested in learning the playbook.


Fair enough. Still worth looking into. While I can't comment on his head, he seems the best back available on the free agent market considering talent, age, and $$$.
Michael  
Toth029 : 1/19/2017 1:34 pm : link
Went to the Cowboys after his first stint with Seattle.

He seems to have some issues.

Eddie Lacy is an interesting look, he is a capable receiver and a bruising back. A one two punch with he and Perkins is very intriguing.
RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
T-Bone : 1/19/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:
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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?


And actually... to answer your question... yes, there definitely is something there because he keeps getting chance after chance with multiple teams. He was a 2nd round pick after all. But for whatever reason he's been unable (or like jcn stated earlier, maybe I should say 'unwilling') to put that something all together.
RE: RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13332705 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:


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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?



He was their leading rusher because they could never have a RB stay healthy or effective for more than a few games.


Right, but does it really matter *why?* The fact is he was productive. He is a productive player. Maybe he's not very bright or interested in football as jcn pointed out and if thats the case - then lets look elsewhere. But to say he's just not very good - I just don't agree with that. He obviously can play football.
Lacy would be a consideration..Will be 27 in June,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2017 1:36 pm : link
so still (i would surmise) in his prime. I understand the Eagles might go after him
RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
giants#1 : 1/19/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:
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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?


Produces? Sure, if by produce you mean 3.9 yards/attempt last season. Even for his career he's only at 4.3 y/a. And it's not like he's a stud receiving option out of the backfield as he'saveraged just 5.2 yards/catch on 26 career receptions (in 37 games, 9 starts).

For comparison, Perkins rushed for 4.1 y/a this past season. Perkins had 15 receptions for a 10.8 y/r average. Even taking out his 67 yard screen, he still average 6.8 y/r and over 1 catch per game played.
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Danny Kanell : 1/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
I think we have our cheap, young, cost controlled starting RB on the roster. IMO, we need to find a good compliment and find better blockers and we'll be fine without signing an aging ex superstar.

Sign Jaquizz Rodgers and fix the OL. Perkins is going to be a solid player IMO.
RE: RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13332722 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:


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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?



Produces? Sure, if by produce you mean 3.9 yards/attempt last season. Even for his career he's only at 4.3 y/a. And it's not like he's a stud receiving option out of the backfield as he'saveraged just 5.2 yards/catch on 26 career receptions (in 37 games, 9 starts).

For comparison, Perkins rushed for 4.1 y/a this past season. Perkins had 15 receptions for a 10.8 y/r average. Even taking out his 67 yard screen, he still average 6.8 y/r and over 1 catch per game played.


He played for 2 different teams this season - so just stating his statistics is a little disingenuous. He rushed for 469 yards and 6 TD's with the Packers.

Look - I'm not touting him as the second coming. But has a compliment to Perkins, his skill set running the ball seems a perfect fit if his head checks out. And he won't blow a hole in your wallet like old man Peterson or Eddie Lacy.
I'd stay away from Lacy  
giants#1 : 1/19/2017 1:42 pm : link
unless it's a 1 year "prove it" deal, which I doubt he'll need to accept. Too much noise in past seasons about him showing up fat and out of shape to camp. I'm not sure the commitment is there.
Meant Seahawks - not Packers  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:42 pm : link
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RE: I'd stay away from Lacy  
giantsfan44ab : 1/19/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13332735 giants#1 said:
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unless it's a 1 year "prove it" deal, which I doubt he'll need to accept. Too much noise in past seasons about him showing up fat and out of shape to camp. I'm not sure the commitment is there.


Yeah. he's a fine player but he's not exactly the red zone bruising back you'd think he is given his size.
ha:  
Enzo : 1/19/2017 2:00 pm : link
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Drew Magary ‏@drewmagary 8m8 minutes ago
"I'm an expensive old running back who fumbles all the time and hits kids with sticks. I WILL ONLY ACCEPT THE FOLLOWING SUITORS:"
You guys could be right about Lacy,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2017 2:00 pm : link
but he's tempting..😎
Lacy would be awful  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2017 2:05 pm : link
on this team unless we have a brand new OL. He just isn't very good, Rodgers made him what he was. And if we are going to get a new OL, i'd rather give the reigns to Perkins and spend that Lacy money on keeping our Defense in place.
Ahhhhhh, BBI  
Mike from Ohio : 1/19/2017 2:09 pm : link
Home of the offseason plan that usually consists of "We need a stud player with no injury or character issues who is 27 and will sign a team friendly deal so he can come to NY, be a star, and make tons of money making commercials."

Putting a team together in the NFL really is just that simple.
Geez all you guys  
Carl in CT : 1/19/2017 2:16 pm : link
Are acting like he beat the shit out of a kid or something.
Nope, nope, nope  
mavric : 1/19/2017 2:29 pm : link
It would cost a lot of money to have an old man running the ball.

Stick with youth and fresh legs. Peterson had his moment in the sun - his 2 years of fame. His best years are behind him, not in front of him.
Sure as a direct replacement for Jennings  
rasbutant : 1/19/2017 2:29 pm : link
I would expect the playing time to be about the same as Jennings at the end of the year also. At least until he proves otherwise. Also would not stop me from drafting a RB.

I'd like to have a veteran to go with Perkins and rookie. Who that veterans is would be dependent on who will play for less then 3mil/yr. I'm fine with keeping Jennings also, you're not going to find a vet worth anything for less then what we owe him.
I watched  
kash94 : 1/19/2017 2:31 pm : link
a decent amount of Lacy this year for fantasy purposes haha. He's ok at the right price but he'd be pretty brutal on this team for the reasons people mentioned above.

Solid blocker, not a great receiver, and obviously slow at the line.

He lost a lot of weight in the offseason which was good but somehow put all of it back on.

Big risk. I think another team will offer a lot more money for him and take a chance.
No  
ryanmkeane : 1/19/2017 2:37 pm : link
...
I'd love it.  
area junc : 1/19/2017 2:38 pm : link
This is a guy who's made bad blocking look good for most of his career in MIN. He's also a great pass blocker and could replace Jennings nicely - the Giants had largely phased Jennings out by the end of the year. With Perkins and Vereen clearly ahead of him, I think the writing's on the wall for a commendable player.

Signing Peterson provides a front-line starter, allows Perkins to oft-spell him as a "1B" and Vereen to his natural #3/3rd down/hurry up spot. (Law of diminishing returns w/Vereen if used more.)

From what I saw last year, he is still an elite RB - the fact he wants to play here is very attractive. He makes sense IMO.
We liked a wife beater  
well...bye TC : 1/19/2017 2:42 pm : link
until we got caught. Why not a child beater too?
I am not impressed  
mavric : 1/19/2017 2:50 pm : link
with his personal life. Depending on which source you read, he has at least 7 or 8 children around the country from different women. They made a big deal about one of his sons dying - kid was 2 years old who AP never met him and people were pouring out their sympathy to him. Heck, he didn't even know about the kid until the kid was on his death bed. And of course, he got into a legal jam for child abuse of a 1-yr old. Not exactly the kind of player that fits the ideal Giant resume. Good football player at one time, but not the brightest bulb in the package and apparently likes to make kids on the fly and possibly smack them around if he knows about one that he's fathered.

Again - NOPE!
RE: Ahhhhhh, BBI  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 1/19/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13332796 Mike from Ohio said:
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Home of the offseason plan that usually consists of "We need a stud player with no injury or character issues who is 27 and will sign a team friendly deal so he can come to NY, be a star, and make tons of money making commercials."

Putting a team together in the NFL really is just that simple.


Yeah, every free agent we sign has to be a future 10 year starter who makes the Pro Bowl every year.

As has been mentioned, different time and circumstances, but OJ Anderson worked out pretty well for Parcells, no? He was 29 when we traded for him and a 33 year old Super Bowl MVP. Its OK to rent a player for a few years if that will put you over the top.

'If we're trying to run for the roses,' said [George] Young, ''and we can get somebody to help us. . . . '' Young did not finish the sentence.

O. J. Trade - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Ahhhhhh, BBI  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13332894 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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Home of the offseason plan that usually consists of "We need a stud player with no injury or character issues who is 27 and will sign a team friendly deal so he can come to NY, be a star, and make tons of money making commercials."

Putting a team together in the NFL really is just that simple.



Yeah, every free agent we sign has to be a future 10 year starter who makes the Pro Bowl every year.

As has been mentioned, different time and circumstances, but OJ Anderson worked out pretty well for Parcells, no? He was 29 when we traded for him and a 33 year old Super Bowl MVP. Its OK to rent a player for a few years if that will put you over the top.

'If we're trying to run for the roses,' said [George] Young, ''and we can get somebody to help us. . . . '' Young did not finish the sentence. O. J. Trade - ( New Window )


This is a stupid analogy. OJ Anderson was brought in in '86 as insurance on a Super Bowl contender with a very solid OL that had been together for 3 years. Peterson would be coming here to a shit OL and want to get paid which will eat up cap $$. THere was no cap in 1986.
I'll assume  
illmatic : 1/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
that he comes at a reasonable price because the Giants won't be interested otherwise. So if he's not costing huge money... why not? He would make for a great combination at RB with Perkins. They would still be able to load up at OL and hopefully add a TE too.

I mean, he certainly can't be worse than what the Giants had this year outside of Perkins.
Thanks for clearing that up  
joeinpa : 1/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
Vic.
RE: Sure as a direct replacement for Jennings  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13332831 rasbutant said:
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I'm fine with keeping Jennings also, you're not going to find a vet worth anything for less then what we owe him.


Jennings is cooked and I'm pretty sure we dont owe him anything. He's a free agent.

He made about 2.5 mil last year alone (and Shane Vereen made even more - which is actually about 6 mil wasted on these two), according to the BBI salary page. If we can't find a veteran back who makes less than that, I'll eat my hat.
Short answer  
Sec 103 : 1/19/2017 3:33 pm : link
No!
Pass.  
BillKo : 1/19/2017 3:57 pm : link
Aged. Injury prone. Salary req's. Plus bad PR for the guy, where we just had to release a guy in the same arena.

RE: Michael  
djm : 1/19/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13332710 Toth029 said:
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Went to the Cowboys after his first stint with Seattle.

He seems to have some issues.

Eddie Lacy is an interesting look, he is a capable receiver and a bruising back. A one two punch with he and Perkins is very intriguing.


Exactly. If you want a power back that has more tread on the tires than years played look at Lacy. He's entering his second contract. He's produced at a high enough level to represent an upgrade and he showed serious signs of maturity this past season when he came into camp in his best shape yet. The guy has averaged over 5 YPC for long stretches of time. And he likely won't get an insane contract but if the Giants like him, strike early make him an offer. He's already better than any back on this team.
I know this draft is supposedly deep at RB  
djm : 1/19/2017 4:13 pm : link
but a big part of me wants a ready made back for this team going into 2017. Perkins is cheap and cost controlled and young. Vereen is what he is. Add some beef to the OL and a guy like LAcy and this running game really has a chance to be something. Rookie backs always seem to take forever to fully develop here with the Giants...and really overall they aren't as NFL ready as some insist on believing. They come with risks.
Peterson has always been overated......  
Dry Lightning : 1/19/2017 5:55 pm : link
Now he flat out sucks. Waste of money and roster spot.
And a Piece of Garbage we don't need  
Bluesbreaker : 1/19/2017 6:04 pm : link
Peterson has always been overated......
Dry Lightning : 5:55 pm : link : reply
Now he flat out sucks. Waste of money and roster spot.
No to Adrian Peterson ...  
FStubbs : 1/19/2017 6:35 pm : link
... unless he costs the league vet minimum. Running backs can fall off a cliff and AP looked pretty close to the edge last year - and that was with a pretty good offensive line.

Joe Thomas is less risky (but still a risk).
Adrian Peterson is one of the most freakishly talented RB's I've seen.  
arcarsenal : 1/19/2017 6:41 pm : link
But RB is a young mans position and AP is coming off another injury. I think this is the exact point in his career where he's going to show very noticeable signs of slowing down. I'd pass.

Although.... Blount isn't much younger and I think he'd be an excellent complement to Perkins for a couple years.
RE: haven't read through the entire thread yet  
chopperhatch : 1/19/2017 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13332631 giants#1 said:
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I'm a huge AP fan (at least of his on-field performance), but he'd be an awful fit:

1. Don't see him signing for less than $8-10M per season
2. He is awful in pass protection and has hands of stone.
3. He is by far at his best lined up 7 yards behind the QB so that he can get the ball and build up a head of steam. Obviously, Giants have preferred to use a lot of shotgun with the RB lined up next to Eli (i.e. RB has zero forward momentum when he gets the ball) under McAdoo. It's not even like we've sprinkled in some pistol.
4. With Eli, we are also heavily dependent on adjusting on the fly to what the D shows. That gets back to #2, which means the ideal RB for this offense would be one that can run, pass block, and catch the ball well (or at least does 2 of the 3 at a high level).

If we're going to sign an older RB coming off an injury, the guy to get is Charles (if he's cut). Far better fit in this offense, though his injury(s) may be more severe. Also doesn't have the off-the-field baggage.


Of all the influx of shithead "new" posters in recent memory, giants#1 remains an example of a quality addition to this board. Hes got his facts straight and makes fantastic points ALWAYS.

I meant to say this at an earlier point in the season, but nice job giants#1. You bring a lot to the board and this shithead appreciates it.
I would love to win a Super Bowl with AP.  
Boy Cord : 1/19/2017 8:04 pm : link
Just to piss my Vikings fan friend off. He still thinks Giants fan it up in 2000. It was 34-0 at half. You can't run up score on first half.
RE: Lacy would be a consideration..Will be 27 in June,  
JOrthman : 1/19/2017 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13332719 Big Blue '56 said:
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so still (i would surmise) in his prime. I understand the Eagles might go after him
He is going to want top dollar, this is his first big contract.
Go young  
DavidinBMNY : 1/19/2017 10:03 pm : link
Strong rb draft class. We can get a good player in the draft. Heck this year probably both in the draft and udfa
RE: RE: RE: Ahhhhhh, BBI  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 1/19/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13332901 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13332796 Mike from Ohio said:


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Home of the offseason plan that usually consists of "We need a stud player with no injury or character issues who is 27 and will sign a team friendly deal so he can come to NY, be a star, and make tons of money making commercials."

Putting a team together in the NFL really is just that simple.



Yeah, every free agent we sign has to be a future 10 year starter who makes the Pro Bowl every year.

As has been mentioned, different time and circumstances, but OJ Anderson worked out pretty well for Parcells, no? He was 29 when we traded for him and a 33 year old Super Bowl MVP. Its OK to rent a player for a few years if that will put you over the top.

'If we're trying to run for the roses,' said [George] Young, ''and we can get somebody to help us. . . . '' Young did not finish the sentence. O. J. Trade - ( New Window )



This is a stupid analogy. OJ Anderson was brought in in '86 as insurance on a Super Bowl contender with a very solid OL that had been together for 3 years. Peterson would be coming here to a shit OL and want to get paid which will eat up cap $$. THere was no cap in 1986.


Not an analogy. I said that time and circumstances were different. The point was that it is OK to sign a vet with some mileage on him to plug a hole for a few years. Like Antonio Pierce. Peterson would be too expensive.
Consider this...  
ZoneXDOA : 1/20/2017 2:20 am : link
This past off season, AP worked out with Melvin Gordon and gave him some pointers, just practiced with him and taught him a few things. This season, Gordon was an absolute beast. Last season, he was considered a bust. Big difference. Of course ALL of the credit doesn't go to AP, but Gordon got to learn from one of the absolute best at the position. Imagine if we sign him to a one or two year deal and he mentors Perkins the whole time? Just saying.
RE: Adrian Peterson will turn 32 years old in March  
Jersey55 : 1/20/2017 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13332520 NYG27 said:
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That said, we are in a 2-3 year window with Eli and AP would be a huge improvement at RB.
if Peterson did come here he would still have to run behind a crappy Oline until it gets fixed and that won't happen over night so he might be just a waste of money that could have been better spent elsewhere
If he's a cap cut  
JohnF : 1/20/2017 6:57 pm : link
I'd take a long look at Alfred Morris. I think the Cowboys use Elliot a lot more, and Morris isn't going to get many snaps with Elliot/McFadden ahead of him.

Morris at this point isn't much more than Jennings, but I think he would fit the vet backup role at a much cheaper cost. You don't want Perkins with too many carries, anyway.

This presumes we get Vereen back, of course.
RE: If he's a cap cut  
adamg : 1/20/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13334496 JohnF said:
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I'd take a long look at Alfred Morris. I think the Cowboys use Elliot a lot more, and Morris isn't going to get many snaps with Elliot/McFadden ahead of him.

Morris at this point isn't much more than Jennings, but I think he would fit the vet backup role at a much cheaper cost. You don't want Perkins with too many carries, anyway.

This presumes we get Vereen back, of course.


McFadden is a FA. I think Morris might stay, but you never know. They need cap for sure.
Elliot a lot more (snaps)  
JohnF : 1/20/2017 7:00 pm : link
next year (of course!). Morris would offer Dallas some cap relief as well (more than McFadden).
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LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/20/2017 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13332955 Brown Recluse said:
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I'm fine with keeping Jennings also, you're not going to find a vet worth anything for less then what we owe him.



Jennings is cooked and I'm pretty sure we dont owe him anything. He's a free agent.

He made about 2.5 mil last year alone (and Shane Vereen made even more - which is actually about 6 mil wasted on these two), according to the BBI salary page. If we can't find a veteran back who makes less than that, I'll eat my hat.


Jennings is not a free agent.
signing Adrian Peterson would be a mistake IMO  
Jersey55 : 1/21/2017 11:19 am : link
because we still won't be able to open holes for him unless we fix this O line, with out blocking a good back still can't run the ball
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