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Adrian Peterson on ESPN: Giants Potential New Team?

kash94 : 1/19/2017 12:16 pm
Saw this on twitter but apparently Adrian Peterson was on First Take this morning and openly talked about other teams he'd be interested in signing with if the Vikings cut him this offseason.

Mentioned the Giants, Tampa, and Houston as possible destinations.

Didn't see it live so not sure if that was taken out of context but thought it was interesting. Would you be interested in Peterson at this point at the right price?
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That's  
Trainmaster : 1/19/2017 12:51 pm : link
media spotlight ..
That being said  
giantsfan44ab : 1/19/2017 12:51 pm : link
I'd much rather have Jaquizz Rodgers.
RE: O. J Anderson  
Greg from LI : 1/19/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13332600 joeinpa said:
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Worked out pretty well


behind a much better OL
AP would need a first rate OL  
George : 1/19/2017 12:53 pm : link
and a first rate FB to succeed here.

We have neither.
A 32-year-old running back,  
an_idol_mind : 1/19/2017 12:54 pm : link
who has managed to play 16 games 4 times in 10 years, who just underwent knee surgery this past season, and who averaged 1.9 yards per carry in what little action he saw this year.

I mean, sure, maybe everything will break right for him and he'll have a great last hurrah, but I wouldn't put any sort of bet on it.
he has made a fortune  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2017 12:54 pm : link
but that doesn't factor in his spending habits, and all the legal trouble he's been in the past few years. He hasn't made Peyton Manning money and I have no idea if he even has sponsors anymore. If his lifestyle hasn't adjusted to the decline in income, he may absolutely be in the position to take a highest offer contract. More than half of what he makes goes to taxes and fees (agent, lawyer, etc), so there's really no way to know how much money AP actually has.
It would have to be for low dollars  
allstarjim : 1/19/2017 12:55 pm : link
And even lower guaranteed, on a 1-year deal.

And it wouldn't change my approach to the draft at that position at all (we need someone).

Perkins and Vereen are the only useful backs on this roster, and Vereen at this point is somewhat superfluous. I think the Giants should invest at the position in the top half of the draft somewhere, at least by the end of the 4th, and really they could use another one after that, and a veteran free agent would make sense.

To me, a better option is LeGarrette Blount, who the Patriots may be parting with. Eddie Lacy also will likely be a free agent and would be a good fit. Latavius Murray would be a consideration if the Raiders let him walk.

Worth looking into  
mac attack : 1/19/2017 1:03 pm : link
He isnt a kid anymore, but man he can really help us switch up our approach. We need better discipline and he is a guy who can really lay the smackdown. I guess I would do anything to beat our opponents.
haven't read through the entire thread yet  
giants#1 : 1/19/2017 1:03 pm : link
I'm a huge AP fan (at least of his on-field performance), but he'd be an awful fit:

1. Don't see him signing for less than $8-10M per season
2. He is awful in pass protection and has hands of stone.
3. He is by far at his best lined up 7 yards behind the QB so that he can get the ball and build up a head of steam. Obviously, Giants have preferred to use a lot of shotgun with the RB lined up next to Eli (i.e. RB has zero forward momentum when he gets the ball) under McAdoo. It's not even like we've sprinkled in some pistol.
4. With Eli, we are also heavily dependent on adjusting on the fly to what the D shows. That gets back to #2, which means the ideal RB for this offense would be one that can run, pass block, and catch the ball well (or at least does 2 of the 3 at a high level).

If we're going to sign an older RB coming off an injury, the guy to get is Charles (if he's cut). Far better fit in this offense, though his injury(s) may be more severe. Also doesn't have the off-the-field baggage.
No to expensive, aging superstars  
jcn56 : 1/19/2017 1:08 pm : link
Be it Joe Thomas, AP, etc. Anyone we're going to have to commit resources that could impact us several years down the road should get a thumbs down.

Now, a vet player who is a risk to have the wheels fall off on a reasonable deal? Sure thing. I don't know what AP would command, but at the right price I'd consider it. If he's in demand, pass.
Its interesting.....  
Reb8thVA : 1/19/2017 1:12 pm : link
sometimes reading BBI. In my line of work I do a lot of political analysis of events in the world. One of our frequent errors is always worse case scenario thinking or focusing on the negative because you want to warn of potential pitfalls. In doing so you some times lose sight of opportunities. I'm not sure what the correct answer is here, but there does seem to be a lot of emphasis on the negative rather than what he would bring to the team.
Christine Michael  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:13 pm : link
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RE: No to expensive, aging superstars  
giants#1 : 1/19/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13332643 jcn56 said:
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Be it Joe Thomas, AP, etc. Anyone we're going to have to commit resources that could impact us several years down the road should get a thumbs down.

Now, a vet player who is a risk to have the wheels fall off on a reasonable deal? Sure thing. I don't know what AP would command, but at the right price I'd consider it. If he's in demand, pass.


Yea, it depends (as always) on the contract structure. I'd be willing to give him >$8M per year, as long as very little of it beyond 2017 was guaranteed. Small signing bonus, maybe some annual roster bonuses, etc.
RE: haven't read through the entire thread yet  
Heisenberg : 1/19/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13332631 giants#1 said:
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I'm a huge AP fan (at least of his on-field performance), but he'd be an awful fit:

1. Don't see him signing for less than $8-10M per season
2. He is awful in pass protection and has hands of stone.
3. He is by far at his best lined up 7 yards behind the QB so that he can get the ball and build up a head of steam. Obviously, Giants have preferred to use a lot of shotgun with the RB lined up next to Eli (i.e. RB has zero forward momentum when he gets the ball) under McAdoo. It's not even like we've sprinkled in some pistol.
4. With Eli, we are also heavily dependent on adjusting on the fly to what the D shows. That gets back to #2, which means the ideal RB for this offense would be one that can run, pass block, and catch the ball well (or at least does 2 of the 3 at a high level).

If we're going to sign an older RB coming off an injury, the guy to get is Charles (if he's cut). Far better fit in this offense, though his injury(s) may be more severe. Also doesn't have the off-the-field baggage.


I generally agree with this assessment of AP's best use and at least how the Giants running game has been. But, I think that was partly because the roster ended up without a fullback when Johnson and Whitlock got hurt. If the Giants move in this offseason to get a fullback then a more traditional run game would be something they could want to return to.
I would stay away from him  
Matt M. : 1/19/2017 1:21 pm : link
due to the combination of age and injuries. I don't think Perkins is as good as vintage Peterson, but I wouldn't roll the dice that Peterson can come back yet again at that level either. I'd be much more comfortable with Perkins as our RB and use money/picks to upgrade OL and TE to improve the running game. I honestly expect Perkins to be a very good back both running and catching the football.
The Giants should have signed Christine Michael in November  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:22 pm : link
when he was released from the Seahawks.

He will be a free agent, assuming the Packers don't keep him.

Why would you want an old fart like Adrian Peterson when you can potentially sign a guy like Michael who:

a) is actually really talented
b) only in his mid 20s
c) would probably be cheaper
RE: The Giants should have signed Christine Michael in November  
T-Bone : 1/19/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13332681 Brown Recluse said:
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when he was released from the Seahawks.

He will be a free agent, assuming the Packers don't keep him.

Why would you want an old fart like Adrian Peterson when you can potentially sign a guy like Michael who:

a) is actually really talented
b) only in his mid 20s
c) would probably be cheaper


Because he's not really that good? He's been on what... 4 different teams (1 of them twice) in the last year or so? If he was that good you'd think he'd have stuck with at least one of them. Matter of fact, the moment Rawls came back for the Seahawks they immediately cut Michael... again!

I was a steadfast believer in the Christian Michael hype but I've cooled on him a lot in the past year. I'd rather just go with Perkins if he's the alternative.
No thanks  
RobCarpenter : 1/19/2017 1:27 pm : link
He's on the wrong side of 30, is declining, and the money would be much better spent on a younger RB if they decided to sign a RB.

And this:

Paying big bucks to players past their prime?  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/19/2017 1:27 pm : link
Remember Larry Csonka?
And yet every time he gets on the field,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:28 pm : link
he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?
RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
jcn56 : 1/19/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:
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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?


The rumors on the Seattle side were that he was either incapable or not interested in learning the playbook.
Also,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:30 pm : link
I have no problem with Perkins. But I don't see him as a bellcow back. They will need a complimentary back anyway, and - just my opinion - but I think Michael provides that.
RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
T-Bone : 1/19/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:
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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?


He was their leading rusher because they could never have a RB stay healthy or effective for more than a few games.
RE: RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13332693 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:


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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?



The rumors on the Seattle side were that he was either incapable or not interested in learning the playbook.


Fair enough. Still worth looking into. While I can't comment on his head, he seems the best back available on the free agent market considering talent, age, and $$$.
Michael  
Toth029 : 1/19/2017 1:34 pm : link
Went to the Cowboys after his first stint with Seattle.

He seems to have some issues.

Eddie Lacy is an interesting look, he is a capable receiver and a bruising back. A one two punch with he and Perkins is very intriguing.
RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
T-Bone : 1/19/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:
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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?


And actually... to answer your question... yes, there definitely is something there because he keeps getting chance after chance with multiple teams. He was a 2nd round pick after all. But for whatever reason he's been unable (or like jcn stated earlier, maybe I should say 'unwilling') to put that something all together.
RE: RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13332705 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:


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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?



He was their leading rusher because they could never have a RB stay healthy or effective for more than a few games.


Right, but does it really matter *why?* The fact is he was productive. He is a productive player. Maybe he's not very bright or interested in football as jcn pointed out and if thats the case - then lets look elsewhere. But to say he's just not very good - I just don't agree with that. He obviously can play football.
Lacy would be a consideration..Will be 27 in June,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2017 1:36 pm : link
so still (i would surmise) in his prime. I understand the Eagles might go after him
RE: And yet every time he gets on the field,  
giants#1 : 1/19/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:
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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?


Produces? Sure, if by produce you mean 3.9 yards/attempt last season. Even for his career he's only at 4.3 y/a. And it's not like he's a stud receiving option out of the backfield as he'saveraged just 5.2 yards/catch on 26 career receptions (in 37 games, 9 starts).

For comparison, Perkins rushed for 4.1 y/a this past season. Perkins had 15 receptions for a 10.8 y/r average. Even taking out his 67 yard screen, he still average 6.8 y/r and over 1 catch per game played.
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Danny Kanell : 1/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
I think we have our cheap, young, cost controlled starting RB on the roster. IMO, we need to find a good compliment and find better blockers and we'll be fine without signing an aging ex superstar.

Sign Jaquizz Rodgers and fix the OL. Perkins is going to be a solid player IMO.
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Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13332722 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13332689 Brown Recluse said:


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he produces.

Seattle cut him when he was their leading rusher. He came over to the Packers and has been productive.

So there must be something there, right?



Produces? Sure, if by produce you mean 3.9 yards/attempt last season. Even for his career he's only at 4.3 y/a. And it's not like he's a stud receiving option out of the backfield as he'saveraged just 5.2 yards/catch on 26 career receptions (in 37 games, 9 starts).

For comparison, Perkins rushed for 4.1 y/a this past season. Perkins had 15 receptions for a 10.8 y/r average. Even taking out his 67 yard screen, he still average 6.8 y/r and over 1 catch per game played.


He played for 2 different teams this season - so just stating his statistics is a little disingenuous. He rushed for 469 yards and 6 TD's with the Packers.

Look - I'm not touting him as the second coming. But has a compliment to Perkins, his skill set running the ball seems a perfect fit if his head checks out. And he won't blow a hole in your wallet like old man Peterson or Eddie Lacy.
I'd stay away from Lacy  
giants#1 : 1/19/2017 1:42 pm : link
unless it's a 1 year "prove it" deal, which I doubt he'll need to accept. Too much noise in past seasons about him showing up fat and out of shape to camp. I'm not sure the commitment is there.
Meant Seahawks - not Packers  
Brown Recluse : 1/19/2017 1:42 pm : link
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RE: I'd stay away from Lacy  
giantsfan44ab : 1/19/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13332735 giants#1 said:
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unless it's a 1 year "prove it" deal, which I doubt he'll need to accept. Too much noise in past seasons about him showing up fat and out of shape to camp. I'm not sure the commitment is there.


Yeah. he's a fine player but he's not exactly the red zone bruising back you'd think he is given his size.
ha:  
Enzo : 1/19/2017 2:00 pm : link
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Drew Magary ‏@drewmagary 8m8 minutes ago
"I'm an expensive old running back who fumbles all the time and hits kids with sticks. I WILL ONLY ACCEPT THE FOLLOWING SUITORS:"
You guys could be right about Lacy,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2017 2:00 pm : link
but he's tempting..😎
Lacy would be awful  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2017 2:05 pm : link
on this team unless we have a brand new OL. He just isn't very good, Rodgers made him what he was. And if we are going to get a new OL, i'd rather give the reigns to Perkins and spend that Lacy money on keeping our Defense in place.
Ahhhhhh, BBI  
Mike from Ohio : 1/19/2017 2:09 pm : link
Home of the offseason plan that usually consists of "We need a stud player with no injury or character issues who is 27 and will sign a team friendly deal so he can come to NY, be a star, and make tons of money making commercials."

Putting a team together in the NFL really is just that simple.
Geez all you guys  
Carl in CT : 1/19/2017 2:16 pm : link
Are acting like he beat the shit out of a kid or something.
Nope, nope, nope  
mavric : 1/19/2017 2:29 pm : link
It would cost a lot of money to have an old man running the ball.

Stick with youth and fresh legs. Peterson had his moment in the sun - his 2 years of fame. His best years are behind him, not in front of him.
Sure as a direct replacement for Jennings  
rasbutant : 1/19/2017 2:29 pm : link
I would expect the playing time to be about the same as Jennings at the end of the year also. At least until he proves otherwise. Also would not stop me from drafting a RB.

I'd like to have a veteran to go with Perkins and rookie. Who that veterans is would be dependent on who will play for less then 3mil/yr. I'm fine with keeping Jennings also, you're not going to find a vet worth anything for less then what we owe him.
I watched  
kash94 : 1/19/2017 2:31 pm : link
a decent amount of Lacy this year for fantasy purposes haha. He's ok at the right price but he'd be pretty brutal on this team for the reasons people mentioned above.

Solid blocker, not a great receiver, and obviously slow at the line.

He lost a lot of weight in the offseason which was good but somehow put all of it back on.

Big risk. I think another team will offer a lot more money for him and take a chance.
No  
ryanmkeane : 1/19/2017 2:37 pm : link
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I'd love it.  
area junc : 1/19/2017 2:38 pm : link
This is a guy who's made bad blocking look good for most of his career in MIN. He's also a great pass blocker and could replace Jennings nicely - the Giants had largely phased Jennings out by the end of the year. With Perkins and Vereen clearly ahead of him, I think the writing's on the wall for a commendable player.

Signing Peterson provides a front-line starter, allows Perkins to oft-spell him as a "1B" and Vereen to his natural #3/3rd down/hurry up spot. (Law of diminishing returns w/Vereen if used more.)

From what I saw last year, he is still an elite RB - the fact he wants to play here is very attractive. He makes sense IMO.
We liked a wife beater  
well...bye TC : 1/19/2017 2:42 pm : link
until we got caught. Why not a child beater too?
I am not impressed  
mavric : 1/19/2017 2:50 pm : link
with his personal life. Depending on which source you read, he has at least 7 or 8 children around the country from different women. They made a big deal about one of his sons dying - kid was 2 years old who AP never met him and people were pouring out their sympathy to him. Heck, he didn't even know about the kid until the kid was on his death bed. And of course, he got into a legal jam for child abuse of a 1-yr old. Not exactly the kind of player that fits the ideal Giant resume. Good football player at one time, but not the brightest bulb in the package and apparently likes to make kids on the fly and possibly smack them around if he knows about one that he's fathered.

Again - NOPE!
RE: Ahhhhhh, BBI  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 1/19/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13332796 Mike from Ohio said:
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Home of the offseason plan that usually consists of "We need a stud player with no injury or character issues who is 27 and will sign a team friendly deal so he can come to NY, be a star, and make tons of money making commercials."

Putting a team together in the NFL really is just that simple.


Yeah, every free agent we sign has to be a future 10 year starter who makes the Pro Bowl every year.

As has been mentioned, different time and circumstances, but OJ Anderson worked out pretty well for Parcells, no? He was 29 when we traded for him and a 33 year old Super Bowl MVP. Its OK to rent a player for a few years if that will put you over the top.

'If we're trying to run for the roses,' said [George] Young, ''and we can get somebody to help us. . . . '' Young did not finish the sentence.

O. J. Trade - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Ahhhhhh, BBI  
Victor in CT : 1/19/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13332894 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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In comment 13332796 Mike from Ohio said:


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Home of the offseason plan that usually consists of "We need a stud player with no injury or character issues who is 27 and will sign a team friendly deal so he can come to NY, be a star, and make tons of money making commercials."

Putting a team together in the NFL really is just that simple.



Yeah, every free agent we sign has to be a future 10 year starter who makes the Pro Bowl every year.

As has been mentioned, different time and circumstances, but OJ Anderson worked out pretty well for Parcells, no? He was 29 when we traded for him and a 33 year old Super Bowl MVP. Its OK to rent a player for a few years if that will put you over the top.

'If we're trying to run for the roses,' said [George] Young, ''and we can get somebody to help us. . . . '' Young did not finish the sentence. O. J. Trade - ( New Window )


This is a stupid analogy. OJ Anderson was brought in in '86 as insurance on a Super Bowl contender with a very solid OL that had been together for 3 years. Peterson would be coming here to a shit OL and want to get paid which will eat up cap $$. THere was no cap in 1986.
I'll assume  
illmatic : 1/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
that he comes at a reasonable price because the Giants won't be interested otherwise. So if he's not costing huge money... why not? He would make for a great combination at RB with Perkins. They would still be able to load up at OL and hopefully add a TE too.

I mean, he certainly can't be worse than what the Giants had this year outside of Perkins.
Thanks for clearing that up  
joeinpa : 1/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
Vic.
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