The Giants need to keep their board under wraps.

Instead of these other teams having top secret or leaked information from the Giants, maybe they just knew - like everyone else who watches the NFL - what the Giants' draft needs were?

In comment 13333194 Mike from Ohio said:

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Instead of these other teams having top secret or leaked information from the Giants, maybe they just knew - like everyone else who watches the NFL - what the Giants' draft needs were?

Just Maybe..

Reese has hit on nearly every single one of his 1st round selections since he's been here.

Obviously we lost Wilson to injury and the book on Flowers is still very mixed.. but Apple looks like he is going to wind up being an excellent pick.

the book on Flowers is mixed. It's he is aweful at LT and an attempt should be made to move him somewhere else, probably RG.

In comment 13333202 Mark from Jersey said:

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the book on Flowers is mixed. It's he is aweful at LT and an attempt should be made to move him somewhere else, probably RG.

You just explained exactly why it is.

Flowers is probably ultimately not going to be a LT but there's a solid chance that he'd perform better in another spot. If he does, it's not a bad pick.

Obviously it's not a total "hit" either if that's the case.. but I'd be fine with it.

the "elite" picks are all gone. So the jumping lessens quite a bit.

If you really don't want anybody to jump in front of you to pick your guy then just have Reese come out and say his name pre-draft.

Nobody would believe him...

Pugh AND Flowers?

to know they liked those players. Or needed those players

Who knows what they REALLY wanted. Everyone had interest in Conklin. Not only that but if Tunsil doesn't get exposed doing a bong hit maybe he goes to Baltimore and Tennesee trades up for Stanley or Conklin. At the end of the day you can't say the Giants tipped their hand on Conklin, because he was a good prospect at a premium position. Now the interest in Floyd is a little different... I truly believe the bolstering of Floyd could have easily been because the Giants knew he was on the cusp of being a top 10 pick and wanted someone to take him ahead of them dropping a prospect they wanted to them like Eli Apple.

I thought they missed their guy (Floyd) but now I think they wanted to go Apple picking all along.

Maybe they did put out misinformation and fooled everyone. I didn't like the Apple pick at first but he's already shown the fruits of being a first round pick... Now Flowers on the other hand... I hope he gets it together, I still have faith.

That happens, too

and ended up being a more than serviceable guard?

they wanted Leonard Floyd or an OLT? So that teams trade ahead of them to get players the Giants want?

Why would they want to do that?

the draft leak threads. Those are great EVERY April.

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Pugh AND Flowers?

The pick is a sunk cost. Should we just keep trotting Flowers out at tackle to satisfy some preconceived draft value notion, or should we accept that Flowers is a part of this team for better or worse and deploy him in the best position to help the team?

an idea of who we want days before the draft.

waste all their scouting efforts and team needs just to one up the Giants in the first round? Are the Giants the de facto standard in judging draft picks?

I don't buy it.

In comment 13333202 Mark from Jersey said:

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the book on Flowers is mixed. It's he is aweful at LT and an attempt should be made to move him somewhere else, probably RG.

Well, if he's "aweful" I guess he must be pretty damned good, huh?

the Giants are a de facto standard on draft picks. These were players that those teams wanted and since they knew the Giants were likely to take them (first Conklin and then Floyd), they felt the player they wanted would be gone. If they didn't know the Giants were likely to pick that player, they might have taken the chance that he fell to them.

In comment 13333269 UConn4523 said:

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the draft leak threads. Those are great EVERY April.

Lol. I feel like I'm on another planet in this place. It's absurd.

In comment 13333324 mrvax said:

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waste all their scouting efforts and team needs just to one up the Giants in the first round? Are the Giants the de facto standard in judging draft picks? I don't buy it.

That's what always amazes me, somehow the Giants have all the intel and teams are just dying to jump us and steal our secrets. It's hilarious.

Is this thread about keeping a draft board "under wraps" even though the draft remains a completely fluid event until you actually pick and afterwards and until the first ball is snapped? And I'm assuming that the OP wasn't in on the internal discussions, or nah?

Holy shit. Some fans just shouldn't be fans because they're too fucking stupid.

I know zip about College football as you know, but based on all the discussions on this board, even I guessed that the Giants might be interested in Floyd and Conklin..

who I loved was a K.O. returner and part time RB....part time Rb because he couldn't block or catch. Those defincies make you a back up.Good player....picked way to high.Panic pock with the guy they wanted going to TB.

Flowers isn't a tackle...moving him to the right only means maybe a few less whiffs. Terrible balance, bad feet.....

In comment 13333198 arcarsenal said:

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Reese has hit on nearly every single one of his 1st round selections since he's been here. Obviously we lost Wilson to injury and the book on Flowers is still very mixed.. but Apple looks like he is going to wind up being an excellent pick.

Reese's first round record is overrated. Let's look at value where drafted.

Ross - bad
Phillips - good
Nicks - good
JPP - good
Prince - ok
Wilson - bad (he wasn't that good before injury - bad instincts)
Pugh - ok
OBJ - great
Flowers - bad
Apple - looks ok

Good, bad, looks ok, good, bad, great, bad.

You sound like a bonafide scout, radar!

In comment 13333464 chris r said:

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In comment 13333198 arcarsenal said: Quote: Reese has hit on nearly every single one of his 1st round selections since he's been here. Obviously we lost Wilson to injury and the book on Flowers is still very mixed.. but Apple looks like he is going to wind up being an excellent pick. Reese's first round record is overrated. Let's look at value where drafted. Ross - bad Phillips - good Nicks - good JPP - good Prince - ok Wilson - bad (he wasn't that good before injury - bad instincts) Pugh - ok OBJ - great Flowers - bad Apple - looks ok

Overrated based on what? How many GM's out there have more hits on their first round picks? I'm betting there aren't many of them.

Get back to me when you know how this stacks up against the other 31 teams in the league.

but in all honesty.. is it very hard to connect the dots..

Teams see what other teams strengths and weaknesses are.

Teams know where other teams will be picking.

Teams know what holes they were able to address early in free agency.

Teams know who other teams interview at the all star games and at the combines.

Teams know what representatives from what team show up at Pro days.

This really isnt rocket science to figure out who teams might have an interest in.

Smokescreens?

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Threads that are mostly speculation. It s a fan board for the Giants, it s the off season, some want to keep a conversation going. I enjoy reading most of them.

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Good, bad, looks ok, good, bad, great, bad. You sound like a bonafide scout, radar!

Lol you cannot make this stuff up...

In comment 13333464 chris r said:

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In comment 13333198 arcarsenal said: Quote: Reese has hit on nearly every single one of his 1st round selections since he's been here. Obviously we lost Wilson to injury and the book on Flowers is still very mixed.. but Apple looks like he is going to wind up being an excellent pick. Reese's first round record is overrated. Let's look at value where drafted. Ross - bad Phillips - good Nicks - good JPP - good Prince - ok Wilson - bad (he wasn't that good before injury - bad instincts) Pugh - ok OBJ - great Flowers - bad Apple - looks ok

i thought this was funny...

Unparalleled scouting by the resident contrarian.

Does not pass muster. You guys take the beat writer's offerings and make them out to be absolutes.

In comment 13333464 chris r said:

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In comment 13333198 arcarsenal said: Quote: Reese has hit on nearly every single one of his 1st round selections since he's been here. Obviously we lost Wilson to injury and the book on Flowers is still very mixed.. but Apple looks like he is going to wind up being an excellent pick. Reese's first round record is overrated. Let's look at value where drafted. Ross - bad Phillips - good Nicks - good JPP - good Prince - ok Wilson - bad (he wasn't that good before injury - bad instincts) Pugh - ok OBJ - great Flowers - bad Apple - looks ok

Aaron Ross was the starting CB on 2 Super Bowl Champion teams. But fuck it, he's bad!

In comment 13333813 JB_GMEN said:

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In comment 13333464 chris r said: Quote: In comment 13333198 arcarsenal said: Quote: Reese has hit on nearly every single one of his 1st round selections since he's been here. Obviously we lost Wilson to injury and the book on Flowers is still very mixed.. but Apple looks like he is going to wind up being an excellent pick. Reese's first round record is overrated. Let's look at value where drafted. Ross - bad Phillips - good Nicks - good JPP - good Prince - ok Wilson - bad (he wasn't that good before injury - bad instincts) Pugh - ok OBJ - great Flowers - bad Apple - looks ok Aaron Ross was the starting CB on 2 Super Bowl Champion teams. But fuck it, he's bad!

That doesn't mean anything. Ross was not a good first rd draft pick. He was an OK NFL player. Was not worthy of his draft selection. Wasn't a total bust but the argument that because they won a SB with him doesn't make any sense. They won a SB with David Baas too but that guy was a bad FA signing.

In comment 13334000 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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In comment 13333813 JB_GMEN said: Quote: In comment 13333464 chris r said: Quote: In comment 13333198 arcarsenal said: Quote: Reese has hit on nearly every single one of his 1st round selections since he's been here. Obviously we lost Wilson to injury and the book on Flowers is still very mixed.. but Apple looks like he is going to wind up being an excellent pick. Reese's first round record is overrated. Let's look at value where drafted. Ross - bad Phillips - good Nicks - good JPP - good Prince - ok Wilson - bad (he wasn't that good before injury - bad instincts) Pugh - ok OBJ - great Flowers - bad Apple - looks ok Aaron Ross was the starting CB on 2 Super Bowl Champion teams. But fuck it, he's bad! That doesn't mean anything. Ross was not a good first rd draft pick. He was an OK NFL player. Was not worthy of his draft selection. Wasn't a total bust but the argument that because they won a SB with him doesn't make any sense. They won a SB with David Baas too but that guy was a bad FA signing.

What it means is that he's not a "bad" pick because he contributed to our '07 season as a rookie and in the postseason leading to our first Super Bowl. He was a #20 pick, it's not like we whiffed on a Top 10 guy.

We've known days in advance whom their primary targets were, in most years.

By draft day or the day before, virtually all the writers have known.

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We've known days in advance whom their primary targets were, in most years. By draft day or the day before, virtually all the writers have known.

Can't the same be said for the majority of the 31 other teams, too?

and in the end it could be an exercise in futility, as it can't too terribly difficult to figure out when teams are on the clock. I get that too, there's some fan paranoia in the mix.

In comment 13333464 chris r said:

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Reese's first round record is overrated. Let's look at value where drafted. Ross - bad Phillips - good Nicks - good JPP - good Prince - ok Wilson - bad (he wasn't that good before injury - bad instincts) Pugh - ok OBJ - great Flowers - bad Apple - looks ok

Do you realize that what you're doing is comparing him to 20/20 hindsight, not comparing him to other GM's?

The best EVER single season on base percentage was Barry Bonds. IIRC it was a little over .500. That means we could have looked at his at bats over any 10 game span and seen the following:

Hit
Hit
Walk
Out
Walk
Out
Out
Out
Walk
Out

Average these results and you'll be among the best hitters of all time. Yet compare them to what could have been and all we see is that he made five outs when he could have possibly got on base.

You're doing the same.

Here's an idea, if you want to make your point. Pick a GM, and decide if they got better value at their pick year by year than Reese did.

Then do it again for the remaining GM's with a 10 year track record.

I'll be surprised if you don't find him among the very best GM's in the league with his first round picks.

The draft process can't happen in a vacuum. Teams are aware of other teams' needs and they have conversations with all the players, agents and scouts. If Giants scouts are seriously interested in a player, they know who else is interested. This idea of leaked information is blown out of proportion. If a player is a first round talent...every team is informed and interested on some level.

You're giving away all the damn secrets!

The first 7 guys taken were all basically slam-dunks (Goff, Wentz, Bosa, Elliott, Ramsey, Stanley and Buckner). The only surprise was Tunsil dropping b/c of what happened that day.

And was it really that hard to figure out the next tier of guys was going to be among Conklin, Floyd, Hargreaves, Rankin, Joseph, Decker, Lawson and Apple?

Go Google every moron's list in sports media and you will see these same names in varying top 15 lists.

It wasn't a leak that caused those teams to jump over the Giants...it was a ESPN-insider membership and common-sense.