But the team's PnR defense is pathetic as a whole.
I think it's the opposite. I think Rose's PnR defense is so bad that he's fucking up the whole team D (some site did a full write up on this, but I cant find it). I dont want to shit on the guy too hard because, but his total inability to stay between his man and the basket is killing our D. Much more so that Melo's bad D, because penetrating PGs hurt more. Rose's defense just stinks. It's approaching 2015-16 Knicks bad.
RE: The Knicks should make Wall shoot from outside
Like Reggie Miller said. They are getting killed on the pick and roll
Cant do it if your PG defender cant remotely stay with Wall. Rose should defend Beal, and Lee should play Wall. Would also help counter the fast break off a Rose drive/miss
Rose just can't stay in front of Wall...he's got no lateral quickness,
But the team's PnR defense is pathetic as a whole.
I think it's the opposite. I think Rose's PnR defense is so bad that he's fucking up the whole team D (some site did a full write up on this, but I cant find it). I dont want to shit on the guy too hard because, but his total inability to stay between his man and the basket is killing our D. Much more so that Melo's bad D, because penetrating PGs hurt more. Rose's defense just stinks. It's approaching 2015-16 Knicks bad.
Absolutely. But it's similar with most players on this team, not just Rose. Recently there was a sequence where Kuz and BJ switched onto the same man, leaving a wide open layup. Granted that's only one play, but it speaks to the whole team being inept, save for Baker, Holiday and sometimes Lee.
Melo at the 4 will definitely help mask his helplessness though.
you are being way unfair on the Pick n roll defense. If he is taught to go over every screen, you need a better big to pick up the Wall and better helpside defense.
Porz helpside defense was pathetic in the first. And O'quinn did nothing to slow down Wall either. To be honest, it really looks like the Knicks have zero clue how to defend a pick n roll.
Rose goes over, the big sits in the lane, and there is no help side defense.
We are getting torched by opposing PGs every single night. Rose is primarily responsible for that, not Noah or KP or Kyle OQuinn.
You know what if you are just going to be a fucking asshole, why even bother posting? Jennings is getting torched this quarter to by the high pick n roll..... guess its rose's fault too.
Wait, Baker just got beat by a high pick n roll. Rose's fault too.
We are getting torched by opposing PGs every single night. Rose is primarily responsible for that, not Noah or KP or Kyle OQuinn.
You know what if you are just going to be a fucking asshole, why even bother posting? Jennings is getting torched this quarter to by the high pick n roll..... guess its rose's fault too.
Wait, Baker just got beat by a high pick n roll. Rose's fault too.
Stop taking shit personally. This shit ruins these threads. It's ok to have a difference in opinion.
If the Knicks only knew how to defend three-pointers
Please. Someone takes a shot at me, Ill post whatever I want. I tried explaing why the Wizards are having so much success, and he starts his same old Bullshit. Maybe talk to him if you want shit to stop.
RE: If the Knicks only knew how to defend three-pointers
they would be winning by double digits. What is it about their defense that constantly leaves open three-point shooters?
their big cant contain the penetrator, and they dont rotate well at all. They literally have no clue on how to defend it. The driver, screener, and spot up shooter are wide open every time.
Rose is going over the screen, instead of under it. You live with Wall shooting nothing but 3s and long jumpers. That way it helps against the roll and collapses the lane.
it also helps guys not to leave shooters. For rose to go over the screen 30 feet out is utterly stupid. If they are told to go over the screen, Rambis is an idiot. If Rose does it on his own, he is an idiot.
Wonder what the Knicks did years ago to piss him off? Could it be the fights he had with Oakley? So childish the way he trashes the Knicks every time they are on TNT.
Please. Someone takes a shot at me, Ill post whatever I want. I tried explaing why the Wizards are having so much success, and he starts his same old Bullshit. Maybe talk to him if you want shit to stop.
"Derrick Rose defense brigade" and "did he sleep with your wife" are two different universes. Oh well. These threads were fun for a while. Enjoy the game y'all!
Wonder what the Knicks did years ago to piss him off? Could it be the fights he had with Oakley? So childish the way he trashes the Knicks every time they are on TNT.
I think it started with the brooms in 89. And yeah, the stuff with Oak didn't help.
but this problem is scheme. I am not defending roses defense in any way, but it goes far beyond rose. Not to mention, wtf would you even put rose on wall???
Can Melo just stand in front of Porter from now on?
They should consider trading Beal to Philly for Noel and many picks. Beal and Wall dont get along anyway, and I dont know that you want to max both Porter and Beal -- one is enough.
Then bitch pass it to Lee who shot fakes it to get inside the three point line. Then a kick out to Jennings who double clutches and turns the ball over.
this during Woodson's last season where they were just figuring out new ways to blow games each night. Regardless, WTF was up with the broadcast? Where was the replay on the last play to see if Wall got all ball on Jennings? Or when Melo reached in on Wall? Those very well could have been called correctly by the refs but as a fan watching it would be nice to see a decent replay. And I'm pretty sure Wall double dribbled on the last dunk...but whatever, when's the lottery?
this during Woodson's last season where they were just figuring out new ways to blow games each night. Regardless, WTF was up with the broadcast? Where was the replay on the last play to see if Wall got all ball on Jennings? Or when Melo reached in on Wall? Those very well could have been called correctly by the refs but as a fan watching it would be nice to see a decent replay. And I'm pretty sure Wall double dribbled on the last dunk...but whatever, when's the lottery?
TNT's broadcast appeared to intentionally be protecting the league tonight. Any iffy foul = no reply. Their soft play by play was like a layer of fiction over the game.
Total bullshit that the Wizards were not assessed a technical foul for that shit. A coach has no business being on the floor and trying to deceive the opposing team.
Wow... the Knicks have an abundant amount of guards who you know can't shoot a basketball consistently beyond 5 feet. I don't know how any NBA team can really expect to win games like that. Jennings is useless. He dribbles in the paint and runs away from the basket. WTF is that? He doesn't even try to challenge ANYONE near the rim. He can't pull up and shoot. He can't take guys off the dribble once in the paint. Lee has the same problem. I now understand why other than KP, Melo and Rose the Knicks can't draw fouls.
I also see why both Lee and Jennings don't stay on teams long. No defender is going to respect your offense with those guys on the court.
Knicks have a serious talent/skill issue at various positions.
High screen and roll for Wall. 3-3 from the field, 2-2 from the foul line, and an assist.
But wait, I thought it was Rose's defense? Maybe he wasnt yelling loud enough from the bench?
Jennings defense is so overrated. He can't keep guys in front of him in the half court. Now I see why he has to keep swatting at guys and picking up petty fouls.
Total bullshit that the Wizards were not assessed a technical foul for that shit. A coach has no business being on the floor and trying to deceive the opposing team.
We were screaming from our section. I never seen that before with a ref right next to him. It was crazy.
On one hand, I want them to lose ALL of their games.
Lee said Washington assistant Sidney Lowe deliberately distracted him while on the court, shouting in his ear as if he were a player. And that may have had a considerable impact on the Knicks 113-110 loss to the Wizards.
I was watching Carmelo, thinking hes about to shoot the ball, but then he drives and the ball comes to me, said Lee, who received the ball in the left corner after the Knicks sought a game-tying 3 after inbounding with 13.7 seconds left.
Then I see [Washingtons Kelly] Oubre in front of me, but right here Im hearing, I got your help, Im right here, Im right here. I come to find out its their coach standing next to me. Im thinking hes a player. So I drive and try to make a play. I dont know if the league should look into that. If that was a tactic in their defensive scheme, it worked because I thought it was a player. Its something they [the league] need to take a look at.
Their coach was like 2 feet away from me. In my peripheral, Im hearing, Im here, Im here, Im here, I got the stunt. Im think hes a player. So I drive the ball, Lee said. Im thinking its a player the whole time until I watched the replay. Ive never seen that in my whole career.
Video replays clearly showed Lowe on the court near Lee, who dribbled away and passed over to Brandon Jennings. John Wall got on Jennings and he fumbled away the ball before the horn sounded. ...
Said Anthony, He was on the court. They [had] six players on the court.
become some sort of sick joke, and the questions lately has been how are they going to lose, what kind of painful loss are we going to have to watch
- Melo missing a wide open 5 footer?
KP throwing up an air ball?
A coach illegally on the floor distracting Lee? What kind of bush league bullshit is that - ref should be suspended, do your job, this happened in NY as well not in some small time back water HS game.
And if Melo didn't have a bag of cement on his ass, he might be able to elevate. Go Knicks.
Kuz is a smart player. I feel like if the Spurs signed him we'd hear a ton about him.
I think it's the opposite. I think Rose's PnR defense is so bad that he's fucking up the whole team D (some site did a full write up on this, but I cant find it). I dont want to shit on the guy too hard because, but his total inability to stay between his man and the basket is killing our D. Much more so that Melo's bad D, because penetrating PGs hurt more. Rose's defense just stinks. It's approaching 2015-16 Knicks bad.
Cant do it if your PG defender cant remotely stay with Wall. Rose should defend Beal, and Lee should play Wall. Would also help counter the fast break off a Rose drive/miss
^This.
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But the team's PnR defense is pathetic as a whole.
I think it's the opposite. I think Rose's PnR defense is so bad that he's fucking up the whole team D (some site did a full write up on this, but I cant find it). I dont want to shit on the guy too hard because, but his total inability to stay between his man and the basket is killing our D. Much more so that Melo's bad D, because penetrating PGs hurt more. Rose's defense just stinks. It's approaching 2015-16 Knicks bad.
Absolutely. But it's similar with most players on this team, not just Rose. Recently there was a sequence where Kuz and BJ switched onto the same man, leaving a wide open layup. Granted that's only one play, but it speaks to the whole team being inept, save for Baker, Holiday and sometimes Lee.
Melo at the 4 will definitely help mask his helplessness though.
Porz helpside defense was pathetic in the first. And O'quinn did nothing to slow down Wall either. To be honest, it really looks like the Knicks have zero clue how to defend a pick n roll.
Rose goes over, the big sits in the lane, and there is no help side defense.
Melo is on fire tonight.
We are getting torched by opposing PGs every single night. Rose is primarily responsible for that, not Noah or KP or Kyle OQuinn.
We are getting torched by opposing PGs every single night. Rose is primarily responsible for that, not Noah or KP or Kyle OQuinn.
You know what if you are just going to be a fucking asshole, why even bother posting? Jennings is getting torched this quarter to by the high pick n roll..... guess its rose's fault too.
Wait, Baker just got beat by a high pick n roll. Rose's fault too.
We are getting torched by opposing PGs every single night. Rose is primarily responsible for that, not Noah or KP or Kyle OQuinn.
Courtney Lee nd Baker were primarily guarding Thomas last night, but guess thats Rose's faul too.
Rose's fault.
Must be pissed that rose slept with your wife or something. Totally clueless on how to defend a pick no roll. Shit, maybe you are Kurt Rambis?
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The Derrick Rose Defense Squad in full effect.
We are getting torched by opposing PGs every single night. Rose is primarily responsible for that, not Noah or KP or Kyle OQuinn.
You know what if you are just going to be a fucking asshole, why even bother posting? Jennings is getting torched this quarter to by the high pick n roll..... guess its rose's fault too.
Wait, Baker just got beat by a high pick n roll. Rose's fault too.
Stop taking shit personally. This shit ruins these threads. It's ok to have a difference in opinion.
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Must be pissed that rose slept with your wife or something. Totally clueless on how to defend a pick no roll. Shit, maybe you are Kurt Rambis?
Over the line.
Collapsing to help on the pick and roll, primarily.
Please. Someone takes a shot at me, Ill post whatever I want. I tried explaing why the Wizards are having so much success, and he starts his same old Bullshit. Maybe talk to him if you want shit to stop.
their big cant contain the penetrator, and they dont rotate well at all. They literally have no clue on how to defend it. The driver, screener, and spot up shooter are wide open every time.
it also helps guys not to leave shooters. For rose to go over the screen 30 feet out is utterly stupid. If they are told to go over the screen, Rambis is an idiot. If Rose does it on his own, he is an idiot.
Oak is still in his head. Zero ring bitch.
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Please. Someone takes a shot at me, Ill post whatever I want. I tried explaing why the Wizards are having so much success, and he starts his same old Bullshit. Maybe talk to him if you want shit to stop.
"Derrick Rose defense brigade" and "did he sleep with your wife" are two different universes. Oh well. These threads were fun for a while. Enjoy the game y'all!
I think it started with the brooms in 89. And yeah, the stuff with Oak didn't help.
That's a classic quote right there - well done.
But wait, I thought it was Rose's defense? Maybe he wasnt yelling loud enough from the bench?
But wait, I thought it was Rose's defense? Maybe he wasnt yelling loud enough from the bench?
You're right. Rose is a good defender, and a gentle lover of my wife.
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High screen and roll for Wall. 3-3 from the field, 2-2 from the foul line, and an assist.
But wait, I thought it was Rose's defense? Maybe he wasnt yelling loud enough from the bench?
You're right. Rose is a good defender, and a gentle lover of my wife.
I believe 1 of those 2 to be true.
For real
Philly. Beal to injury prone. They should target McCollum instead.
ROSE!
And Jennings was fouled. Period.
Then bitch pass it to Lee who shot fakes it to get inside the three point line. Then a kick out to Jennings who double clutches and turns the ball over.
FUCKING DISGRACE.
And Jennings was fouled. Period.
What an awful decision by Lee. Good look and plenty of daylight and he passes with 5 seconds left? Awful.
And on the next possession he kicked it to the open man for the easiest 3 on the floor, and Lee bailed for no reason. So...
TNT's broadcast appeared to intentionally be protecting the league tonight. Any iffy foul = no reply. Their soft play by play was like a layer of fiction over the game.
You want him gone? Put his ass on the bench in crunch time.
NTC disappears overnight.
You want him gone? Put his ass on the bench in crunch time.
NTC disappears overnight.
I love that idea
Exactly. He was nowhere near prepared to shoot.
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Courtney Lee said a Wizards assistant coach was on the court, close to him screaming 'I got your help.' Lee thought it was a defender.
I also see why both Lee and Jennings don't stay on teams long. No defender is going to respect your offense with those guys on the court.
Knicks have a serious talent/skill issue at various positions.
But wait, I thought it was Rose's defense? Maybe he wasnt yelling loud enough from the bench?
Jennings defense is so overrated. He can't keep guys in front of him in the half court. Now I see why he has to keep swatting at guys and picking up petty fouls.
We were screaming from our section. I never seen that before with a ref right next to him. It was crazy.
I actually think it has to be longer than that. And expect it will be a fine instead.
From the Post - this is outrageous:
Lee said Washington assistant Sidney Lowe deliberately distracted him while on the court, shouting in his ear as if he were a player. And that may have had a considerable impact on the Knicks 113-110 loss to the Wizards.
I was watching Carmelo, thinking hes about to shoot the ball, but then he drives and the ball comes to me, said Lee, who received the ball in the left corner after the Knicks sought a game-tying 3 after inbounding with 13.7 seconds left.
Then I see [Washingtons Kelly] Oubre in front of me, but right here Im hearing, I got your help, Im right here, Im right here. I come to find out its their coach standing next to me. Im thinking hes a player. So I drive and try to make a play. I dont know if the league should look into that. If that was a tactic in their defensive scheme, it worked because I thought it was a player. Its something they [the league] need to take a look at.
Their coach was like 2 feet away from me. In my peripheral, Im hearing, Im here, Im here, Im here, I got the stunt. Im think hes a player. So I drive the ball, Lee said. Im thinking its a player the whole time until I watched the replay. Ive never seen that in my whole career.
Video replays clearly showed Lowe on the court near Lee, who dribbled away and passed over to Brandon Jennings. John Wall got on Jennings and he fumbled away the ball before the horn sounded. ...
Said Anthony, He was on the court. They [had] six players on the court.
- Melo missing a wide open 5 footer?
KP throwing up an air ball?
A coach illegally on the floor distracting Lee? What kind of bush league bullshit is that - ref should be suspended, do your job, this happened in NY as well not in some small time back water HS game.
And if Melo didn't have a bag of cement on his ass, he might be able to elevate. Go Knicks.