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Screw it. My 1st-rounder (and 2nd through 5th rounders) ...

Beezer : 1/20/2017 6:36 am
(My first 5 picks)

With the 23rd pick, the New York Giants select ... Christian McCaffrey, running back, Stanford.

Sure, we have Paul Perkins, who looks like he'll pan out to some degree. But when the Giants were at their "recent" best running the football, they had a two-headed attack (Jacobs/Bradshaw).

McCaffrey helps with blocking ... he can catch the ball out of the backfield ... and he could be that "next" weapon that really spurs this offense.

+++

With the 55th pick, the New York Giants select ... Dion Dawkins, left tackle, Temple. Maybe a slight reach, but he could be NFL-ready, from what I'm reading. He also has some flexibility (could play guard).

My best-case is that the Giants are active in FA and sign a vet LT, allowing a kid like this to work into the mix.

+++

With the 87th pick, the New York Giants select ... tight end Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech. Here's a kid who potentially poses serious match-up problems for defenses. He's said to be a decent blocker, and he's a huge target at 6-foot-7, 245 pounds.

(If he happens to be gone, there's a chance Jake Butt (Michigan) is there ... so you take him at 6-foot-6, 248.

+++

With the 140th pick, the New York Giants select ... defensive end Hunter Dimick from Utah. By most accounts, this kid is an old-school football player. Unless there's a much more attractive option at 140, this would be a solid pick, imo.

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And with the 168th pick, the New York Giants select ... Brad Seaton, offensive tackle, Utah. Decent prospect, and gives us another option.

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Anyone else getting too excited for the draft way too early? Yeahhhh ...

Happy Friday, all!


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Mine.  
No Where Man : 1/20/2017 8:46 am : link
1) Best OL or TE available, whichever grades out higher.
2) Best TE or OL available, whichever grades out higher.
3) Best CB or S available, whichever grades out higher.
4) Dan Skipper OT Arkansas, 6'10" 325 lb. road grader, projected to play RT
5) Daniel Carlson. PK. The premier PK in this draft. 10+ year career choice here.
Take a look at this ...  
Beezer : 1/20/2017 8:47 am : link

4.50 40 speed ... good hands ... burst ... smart.

Tell me you can't see him in an Edelman role with the NYG.
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McAffrey reminds me of Reggie Bush  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/20/2017 8:49 am : link
Can do everything, but he's not a true everydown RB and he's not going to be as special in the NFL. He's going to be useful and a descent back, but he's not just going to come in and take the league by storm.
Also Bucky Hodges  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/20/2017 8:50 am : link
Will be long gone before the third round. He'll get picked in the 2nd rd for sure. If he's there in the third that's a great value pick.
RE: Take a look at this ...  
jeff57 : 1/20/2017 8:55 am : link
In comment 13333721 Beezer said:
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4.50 40 speed ... good hands ... burst ... smart.

Tell me you can't see him in an Edelman role with the NYG. Link - ( New Window )


He's a good player. Just don't think he's value at 23.
I like the first  
Pete in MD : 1/20/2017 8:55 am : link
three picks. McCaffrey at worst is a change of pace/3rd down back who can also return kicks and at best he's a feature RB. He's also a gym rat with a high football IQ. Worth the gamble IMO.

Dawkins seems to have the tools but also reminds me of Flowers a little too much. Big, strong, nasty but needs technique work, loses focus at times, and is a waist-bender. He might be the best OT option in rd 2.

Hodges could be the best TE in the draft. He has a ton of upside but (like many other college TEs) wasn't utilized very much. He reminds me of a more polished Visanthe Shiancoe.

I'm not very familiar with the other two guys.
McAffrey  
prh : 1/20/2017 8:58 am : link
It will be interesting to see how the Giants and other teams value him. His refusal to participate in a bowl game might be a red flag for teams. Especially when it comes to his contract expiring. Will he sit out,play,dog it?
I'm not sure he'd be worth a #1.
RE: Take a look at this ...  
Giants2012 : 1/20/2017 9:00 am : link
In comment 13333721 Beezer said:
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4.50 40 speed ... good hands ... burst ... smart.

Tell me you can't see him in an Edelman role with the NYG. Link - ( New Window )


lol, com'on. How well would an Edelman be in the a Giants offense?

This kid has New England written all over him. The rest, our Giants included, won't maximize his talents.

RE: RE: Take a look at this ...  
Pete in MD : 1/20/2017 9:02 am : link
In comment 13333744 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 13333721 Beezer said:


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4.50 40 speed ... good hands ... burst ... smart.

Tell me you can't see him in an Edelman role with the NYG. Link - ( New Window )



lol, com'on. How well would an Edelman be in the a Giants offense?

This kid has New England written all over him. The rest, our Giants included, won't maximize his talents.

I can definitely see New England taking him at the end of the first round.
Unless it's Barry Sanders...  
x meadowlander : 1/20/2017 9:10 am : link
...I'll never support a 1st rd Running Back pick again.

A great OL can make a mediocre running back into a great running back.

The opposite is never true.

I've had enough Butch Woolfolk, Jarrod Bunch, George Adams, Tyrone Wheatley, Ron Dayne, David Wilson for one lifetime.

Rodney Hampton aside, Giants have proven that it's never worth blowing a first rounder on a position that can easily be manned by later round picks.

Giants Career Rushing Leaders:
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1. Tiki Barber (2nd Rd)
2. Rodney Hampton (1st rd)
3. Joe Morris (2nd Rd)
4. Brandon Jacobs (4th rd)
5. Alex Webster (11th rd)
6. Ahmad Bradshaw (7th rd)
I'd take Dalvin Cook our Fournette  
jeff57 : 1/20/2017 9:12 am : link
in a second if they were available at 23. I don't like taking RBs in round one usually also. But these two are worth it.
Dawkins is intriguing  
area junc : 1/20/2017 9:15 am : link
Coached by ex-Giants OL Coach Matt Rhule
McCraffrey clearly has strong lateral movements  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2017 9:16 am : link
and plenty of skills in those highlights.

Seems like every play in that video he had about 5-8 yards of freedom ahead of him when he touches the ball. What's he going to do in the NFL when that almost never happens...

RE: I'd take Dalvin Cook our Fournette  
Giants2012 : 1/20/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13333753 jeff57 said:
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in a second if they were available at 23. I don't like taking RBs in round one usually also. But these two are worth it.


I am so anti HB in Round 1 yet, for the first time ever, i would go HB and really enjoy watching Fournette in Giants blue. Love his style and hard to believe Jacobs was 30+lbs heavier.

I think McCaffrey would fit perfectly in the Patriot offense,  
yatqb : 1/20/2017 9:30 am : link
but not do as well with the Giants.

I'm a big fan of Davin Cook, and much prefer him to Fournette.
Bucky Hodges would be a nice fit. I think Sy had him as a  
Victor in CT : 1/20/2017 9:36 am : link
2nd rounder???
RE: Bucky Hodges would be a nice fit. I think Sy had him as a  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13333803 Victor in CT said:
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2nd rounder???

Isn't Hodges basically a tall receiver though? Has he ever had to block at VT?
I'd love  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 9:40 am : link
McCaffrey. The more playmakers we have the better. Especially if we try and solve OL through free agency, which makes sense given Eli's window.
RE: Also Bucky Hodges  
Beezer : 1/20/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13333727 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Will be long gone before the third round. He'll get picked in the 2nd rd for sure. If he's there in the third that's a great value pick.


Projected as 2-3 ... never know when things shift and guys fall.
RE: RE: Bucky Hodges would be a nice fit. I think Sy had him as a  
Victor in CT : 1/20/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13333809 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 13333803 Victor in CT said:


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2nd rounder???


Isn't Hodges basically a tall receiver though? Has he ever had to block at VT?


Yes. I want him as a WR, not a TE. 6' 7" huge wingspan, great red zone target.
The kid weighs in the 245 pound range.  
Beezer : 1/20/2017 9:56 am : link
How is he a WR?
RE: The kid weighs in the 245 pound range.  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13333845 Beezer said:
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How is he a WR?

I would say his height has to do more with his weight than his actual build. He basically looks like Mike Evans.
RE: No  
Carson53 : 1/20/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13333671 Bob in Newburgh said:
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McCaffrey just replicates what you already have on the roster in Shane Vereen. If Vereen's injuries are career threatening I would reconsider.

With all due respect, and hopefully a touch of reality, it is unlikely that a guy starting for Temple is "NFL ready." The level of competition jump is immense and makes ready to start unlikely.
.

Exactly, a 3rd down back...don't be so sure to judge on
the kid from Temple. I was cynical about a kid like
Ali Marpet? coming out from Div II or III, and he has proved
me wrong so far.
Disagree  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 10:02 am : link
with the Vereen/McCaffrey comparisons. McCaffrey basically does everything better than Vereen, and is a much better athlete. Vereen was a third down back coming out, and pretty much has stayed that.
RE: The kid weighs in the 245 pound range.  
Victor in CT : 1/20/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13333845 Beezer said:
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How is he a WR?


what the fuck does that have to do with it? He is a WR. Buress was 6'5" 226lbs, should he have been a TE too?
I honestly think  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 10:03 am : link
people just think McCaffrey is a change of pace/third down back because he's white. If he were black, people would be talking about him being better than Fournette and Cook. He's that good.
RE: Disagree  
Carson53 : 1/20/2017 10:05 am : link
In comment 13333859 ryanmkeane said:
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with the Vereen/McCaffrey comparisons. McCaffrey basically does everything better than Vereen, and is a much better athlete. Vereen was a third down back coming out, and pretty much has stayed that.
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He is a 200 lb. back., not going to be a bellcow at the next
level. You get him 10-15 touches a game.
Later  
Metnut : 1/20/2017 10:05 am : link
round picks look interesting but please no McCaffrey in the first round. Has the makings of an NFL bust IMO, especially if the Giants can't put a good OL together.
RE: I honestly think  
Carson53 : 1/20/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13333863 ryanmkeane said:
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people just think McCaffrey is a change of pace/third down back because he's white. If he were black, people would be talking about him being better than Fournette and Cook. He's that good.
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That is absurd to play a race card, grow up!
RE: RE: Disagree  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13333870 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13333859 ryanmkeane said:


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with the Vereen/McCaffrey comparisons. McCaffrey basically does everything better than Vereen, and is a much better athlete. Vereen was a third down back coming out, and pretty much has stayed that.

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He is a 200 lb. back., not going to be a bellcow at the next
level. You get him 10-15 touches a game.

Got it. So...LeSean McCoy? Melvin Gordon? Devonta Freeman? How those guys doing?
RE: RE: I honestly think  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 10:09 am : link
In comment 13333873 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13333863 ryanmkeane said:


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people just think McCaffrey is a change of pace/third down back because he's white. If he were black, people would be talking about him being better than Fournette and Cook. He's that good.

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That is absurd to play a race card, grow up!

I'm not playing the "race card" i'm literally just saying it's true. There's a stigma about white NFL backs. You seriously think there isn't? McCaffrey is an amazing running back.
This is kind of shocking to me  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 10:11 am : link
..has anyone watched McCaffrey play?
here is Sy56's write up on Hodges:  
Victor in CT : 1/20/2017 10:15 am : link
*#7 WR Bucky Hodges – 6’7/245

Fourth year junior. Many are calling him a tight end but I am keeping him at WR because I haven’t seen him line up with his hands in the dirt once. He plays a WR role completely for the Hokies. I see a Kelvin Benjamin type with this kid. Moves well enough to be a WR and his size alone strikes fear in to anyone who covers him, and I mean anyone. Hodges is a little limited when it comes to the route tree but his impact will be felt early and often in the NFL if he comes out. Potential 1st rounder. 2nd rounder at worst.
Not to hijack  
lugnut : 1/20/2017 10:16 am : link
the thread, but...what do you think of this? --

Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State
Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
Chad Wheeler, OT, USC
Akhello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
Greg Pyke, OG, Georgia
Good call...  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 10:17 am : link
Benjamin is a great comparison to Hodges.
McCaffrey  
old man : 1/20/2017 10:19 am : link
has New England written all over him.
Edelman's replacement(dings accumulating) out of the Vereen mold.
With  
MotownGIANTS : 1/20/2017 10:34 am : link
Peppers supposedly falling...if he makes it 23 you grab him. Not a need pick but he will be BPA and can man the FS spot KR/PR and 4th WR.

I do not understand how people want to pick a RB (maybe) WR (maybe) with the 1st pick that will never be more than a role player in any capacity.

At least with Peppers you get a projected starter.
No Thanks  
WillVAB : 1/20/2017 10:34 am : link
Too need based.

Huge NO to VT skill players.
RE: Bob, fair point about Vereen.  
santacruzom : 1/20/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13333680 Beezer said:
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But if McCaffrey is here, you get younger, faster and cheaper.


And probably ten times better.
RE: McCaffrey doesn't excite me. I don't think he's a slam dunk star  
barens : 1/20/2017 11:04 am : link
In comment 13333713 Victor in CT said:
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Definitely wouldn't spend a #1 on him


He's more of a slam dunk that Fournette to me. He still plays with top end speed despite the fact he's an every down back, who returns kickoffs and punts. He can block, catch the ball with the best of them, and he doesn't fumble the ball.

I'd be thrilled with him.
McCaffrey  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 11:13 am : link
will probably be the classic case of people trying to find things wrong with him and all he'll do in the NFL is produce yards and TDs year over year.
RE: Not to hijack  
Rjanyg : 1/20/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13333893 lugnut said:
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the thread, but...what do you think of this? --

Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State
Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
Chad Wheeler, OT, USC
Akhello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
Greg Pyke, OG, Georgia


Love the first 3 picks.
I do think we need a running back  
SHO'NUFF : 1/20/2017 1:04 pm : link
To me, Perkins has been a letdown. Maybe it's a combination of all the BBI hype and the bad O-line, but I can see why he was drafted late.

I would like to see Donnel Pumphrey in blue, as a poor man's McCaffrey. He can be had in later rounds but has all the tools. He is just undersized, but plays a lot bigger than he is.
Christian McCaffery  
Archer : 1/20/2017 1:10 pm : link
Christian McCaffery
Some interesting information about Christian McCaffery;
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“Shannon Turley, Stanford’s head strength and conditioning coach since 2007, said McCaffrey runs a 4.50 laser-timed 40, fastest of any running back to come through the program during his time there.”

McCaffrey’s position coach, Lance Taylor, spent four seasons in the NFL before joining Shaw’s staff last season stated;
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“I’ve been around some great running backs — Shonn Greene in New York, DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart in Carolina,” he said. “All of those guys are great running backs, but I wouldn’t say all of those guys are great at multiple things. Christian is probably the best guy I’ve ever been around in terms of, anything you ask him to do, he does it well.”

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McCaffrey’s grandfather (Lisa’s dad), David Sime, was a world-record sprinter who took silver at the 1960 Olympics in the 100 meter-dash. His uncle, Billy McCaffrey, played basketball at Duke and Vanderbilt in the early ‘90s. Lisa herself played soccer at Stanford. And his father, Ed – you may remember him as a former All-Pro receiver for the two-time Super Bowl champion Denver Broncos.
(and of course, the NY Giants)




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I wouldn't draft the white Duke Johnson in the first  
Patrick77 : 1/20/2017 1:12 pm : link
He is definitely worth a third, maybe a second. Like all the other picks.

I think Mcaffrey has a solid NFL future but I don't see him as a star or every down back. I don't expect him to post overly explosive numbers at the combine either relative to other options.
RE: RE: The kid weighs in the 245 pound range.  
Beezer : 1/20/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13333861 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13333845 Beezer said:


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How is he a WR?



what the fuck does that have to do with it? He is a WR. Buress was 6'5" 226lbs, should he have been a TE too?



Name any 245-pound wide receiver who's had relative success in the ... no, I'll make it easier, who has PLAYED in the NFL?

THAT's what it has to do with it.
RE: RE: RE: The kid weighs in the 245 pound range.  
ryanmkeane : 1/20/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13334121 Beezer said:
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Name any 245-pound wide receiver who's had relative success in the ... no, I'll make it easier, who has PLAYED in the NFL?

THAT's what it has to do with it.

Kelvin Benjamin is doing alright
round  
blue42 : 1/20/2017 1:28 pm : link
3...maybe.We need a pass rusher or OT in rd 1.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The kid weighs in the 245 pound range.  
Beezer : 1/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13334126 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 13334121 Beezer said:


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Name any 245-pound wide receiver who's had relative success in the ... no, I'll make it easier, who has PLAYED in the NFL?

THAT's what it has to do with it.


Kelvin Benjamin is doing alright


Only 243 pounds.

HA!

RE: I do think we need a running back  
Jimmy Googs : 1/20/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13334097 SHO'NUFF said:
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To me, Perkins has been a letdown. Maybe it's a combination of all the BBI hype and the bad O-line, but I can see why he was drafted late.


Letdown? He barely played until after Thanksgiving. You wanted rookie-of-the-year?

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