Gasol is going to miss significant time with a bone break so the Spurs reportedly are looking for a big via trade. I'm not sure KOQ for what is currently the 29th pick in the draft is even a deal I would make.
-Booker 21, 8 and 7 last night
-Jokic 35, 12 and 4 with 2 blocks... beast
-Old friend David Lee 10 and 16
-Towns 37 12 and 5
-DeAndre Jordan 29 and 16 (averaging 18 and 18 over his last 5 games)
He hasn't shown NBA range. He's getting outplayed by Cody Zeller because he's a better rebounder, defender, and pick and roll threat. He can't beat out Marvin Williams at the 4 because he isn't much of a deep threat or defender.
Not saying Frank is on an ideal team but his team isn't bad and they don't need him much to win games.
I like Frank but I didn't see him much more than a plus bench guy in the league. He's turning 24 already. Booker and Turner were too much, much better upside guys taken after him. Dekker was the better Wisco pro prospect and looks like he's gonna be a stud. I'd take Portis, RHJ and Lyles over Frank as well.
Link - ( New Window )
He hasn't shown NBA range. He's getting outplayed by Cody Zeller because he's a better rebounder, defender, and pick and roll threat. He can't beat out Marvin Williams at the 4 because he isn't much of a deep threat or defender.
Not saying Frank is on an ideal team but his team isn't bad and they don't need him much to win games.
I like Frank but I didn't see him much more than a plus bench guy in the league. He's turning 24 already. Booker and Turner were too much, much better upside guys taken after him. Dekker was the better Wisco pro prospect and looks like he's gonna be a stud. I'd take Portis, RHJ and Lyles over Frank as well.
Frank as a featured player would be Brook Lopez.
draft a point guard, let rose go and sign wade lol...
at this point he would probably go play with one of his friends
Quote:
With no rim protection or rebounding?
He hasn't shown NBA range. He's getting outplayed by Cody Zeller because he's a better rebounder, defender, and pick and roll threat. He can't beat out Marvin Williams at the 4 because he isn't much of a deep threat or defender.
Not saying Frank is on an ideal team but his team isn't bad and they don't need him much to win games.
I like Frank but I didn't see him much more than a plus bench guy in the league. He's turning 24 already. Booker and Turner were too much, much better upside guys taken after him. Dekker was the better Wisco pro prospect and looks like he's gonna be a stud. I'd take Portis, RHJ and Lyles over Frank as well.
Frank as a featured player would be Brook Lopez.
So the best player on the worst team in the NBA?
Frank on a contending team is someone you give 20 minutes off the bench a night to play stretch 4 and keep the offense going (assuming he one day becomes an even league average NBA 3 point shooter). He's not even as good of a 3 point shooter as brook Lopez. Having him matchup against Howard, Whiteside, Cousins, Gobert, Draymond, etc. is the equivalent of bringing a chiseled wooden stick to a nuclear war.
Right now he looks a lot closer to a poor man's Dario saric than Brook Lopez. Dario can at least shoot, rebound and keep up with PFs on defense, unlike Frank.
He's not a 5 when he's as good as a rebounder as Carmelo Anthony, less nimble than Kevin love and weaker than KP.
Quote:
isn't a 4. That's why you're wrong as are the Hornets.
He's not a 5 when he's as good as a rebounder as Carmelo Anthony, less nimble than Kevin love and weaker than KP.
Well for starters, he should be less nimble than Love. He's a center.
And the other two are wrong.
If it was so obvious that he's some all star at the center position but Barry playable at the 4 you think the Hornets wouldn't have needed to sign Roy fucking hibbert.
Frank had way too many flaws to be a lottery pick in the draft and he's shown absolutely nothing to prove me otherwise.
It's okay, take the L on this one. I don't really have any interest in talking about Big Frank anymore.
I'll leave you with this:
Loved him in college, have nothing against him, just don't think he's a starter on a .500+ team.
Well Jon went to Wisco so I get his allegiance to Frank.
Interned with a dude last summer who knew frank and had a friend who was pretty much best friends with him. He was friends with him on snapchat and he'd be test driving Porsches and rapping on weekdays like within a week of being drafted. Dudes living the life no doubt.
Yeah like ricky rubio.
Let the changing of the (point) guard begin.
Seems like a weird comment. He's an NBA player. That's why he's in an NBA discussion.
And his game is similar to Brook's. So chill.
I don't value Brook highly as a player, but his game reminds me of Franks if he was given more opportunities.
If not for Willy I'd have entertained the idea of acquiring Frank to pair next to KP long term.
Let the changing of the (point) guard begin.
Ironically Ricky Rubio would be a fantastic fit in Denver if he ever had one. Whenever they don't have Faried on the court they have 4 guys who can shoot 3s. Clear upgrade over Mudiay (although at this point in time who wouldn't be?).
Unfortunately they're gonna probably see this Mudiay project all the way through
Quote:
Just because a player went to Wisconsin doesn't mean he should show up in any NBA discussion.
Seems like a weird comment. He's an NBA player. That's why he's in an NBA discussion.
Do you watch the NBA?
And his game is similar to Brook's. So chill.
One shoots 59 percent career and has one of the few legit post up games for a center in the NBA. The other shoots 40 percent
Lopez is actually a better 3 pt shooter now.
One blocks shots the other blocks nothing .
Their games don't remotely resemble each other .
Brook can't touch those moves.
why would you use PER in your two faced over 2 years Rose slobbering earlier in this thread... and now PER i guess doesn't matter? when its above 21 you usually are a solid NBA player...maybe not all star caliber, but a very good NBA player...
averaging 19,7 and 2 blocks on a 49 win team is also below average... the 1 time he was on a team constructed around him.
- I wasn't a big Aaron Gordon guy in college/draft, came around a bit/bought the hype despite being a tweener but he's really been disappointing this season. I'm guessing in part due to the roster
- Hasn't played a ton but I think the Warriors found a real gem in McCaw.
-Brandon Ingram... 1 rebound in 36 minutes, 0 assists...awful... -45 for the game
-Jokic last 5 26.2 11.2 and 3.4... stud
-Towns 32 12 and 7 (29 and 13 last 5 games! 2 blocks, 3 assists, he's almost taken for granted at this point)
-Dunn 10, 9 and 8... bye Rubio lol
why would you use PER in your two faced over 2 years Rose slobbering earlier in this thread... and now PER i guess doesn't matter? when its above 21 you usually are a solid NBA player...maybe not all star caliber, but a very good NBA player...
averaging 19,7 and 2 blocks on a 49 win team is also below average... the 1 time he was on a team constructed around him.
I used PER to compare players of the same position. Using PER across the board is stupid since players have different responsibilities.
Lopez is not good. Getting 5 rebounds a game is an absolute joke for a 7'1 player.
- I wasn't a big Aaron Gordon guy in college/draft, came around a bit/bought the hype despite being a tweener but he's really been disappointing this season. I'm guessing in part due to the roster
- Hasn't played a ton but I think the Warriors found a real gem in McCaw.
-Brandon Ingram... 1 rebound in 36 minutes, 0 assists...awful... -45 for the game
-Jokic last 5 26.2 11.2 and 3.4... stud
-Towns 32 12 and 7 (29 and 13 last 5 games! 2 blocks, 3 assists, he's almost taken for granted at this point)
-Dunn 10, 9 and 8... bye Rubio lol
Gordon isnt a 3. Their dearth of big guys is mystifying. Vucevic and Biyombo pairing isnt working. Ibaka is a fish out of water. Heronjza isnt even playing. Thats a bad situation down there.
Towns is a beast and wont even make the ASG.
Bye, bye rubio is right. But I am sure thibs will trade for Jackson and stunt Dunn's growth even more.
Link - ( New Window )
The concept of total points added (TPA), isnt particularly complicated. Were looking at both defensive and offensive effectiveness on a per-possession basis while also incorporating the amount of playing time the contributor in question receives.
At the heart of the theory is this comparison between two hypothetical players:
Player A makes an average team 5 points better per 100 possessions than an average player would in his spot, and he plays 500 possessions.
Player B makes an average team 10 points better per 100 possessions than an average player would in his spot, and he plays 250 possessions.
Player B is more effective on a per-possession basistwice as effective, in fact. But Player A spends twice as much time on the court. Theoretically, they should have identical values, as they would both add 25 points to an average team.
As such, the formula for TPA is rather simple. Its broken down into two partsoffensive points added (OPA) and defensive points saved (DPS)and each is calculated in the same vein.
OPA is derived by adjusting offensive box plus/minus (OBPM) to account for the number of possessions the player in question is present for. Similarly, DPS is derived from a similar adjustment of defensive box plus/minus (DBPM) with that same number of possessions. OBPM and DBPM, both calculated by Basketball-Reference.com, estimate the per-100-possessions value of a player on either end of the court.
Add OPA and DPS together, and you have TPA. A score of zero indicates a player was perfectly average (by no means a bad thing for rookies or lifelong end-of-bench players), while anything positive means they were better than an average-level replacement.
Anyway, the top names in the NBA are exactly where you would expect them to be (Russ, Harden, Durant, Giannis, Lebron) the top 5 but #7... Kyle Lowry, I know he's underrated but wow. Other "surprises" Jokic #13, Gobert #14
They're also only 2.5 games out of the 8 spot so who knows what they do this season.
Mark Herrmann @markpherrmann 20s20 seconds ago
More
Nets say Jeremy Lin has had a setback, out another 3-5 weeks.
Mark Herrmann @markpherrmann 20s20 seconds ago
More
Nets say Jeremy Lin has had a setback, out another 3-5 weeks.
he milks everything and i think that is part of the reason why melo and smith did not want him back on the knicks..
good for him though, milked mediocre talent into an nba career
Mark Herrmann @markpherrmann 20s20 seconds ago
More
Nets say Jeremy Lin has had a setback, out another 3-5 weeks.
Its just amazing... the one positive is the team sucks anyway and its allowed Isiah Whitehead to play more and look like a future NBA player in some capacity--- also Levert and RHJ.
but god its awful and shows up in the 2nd half of every game
Oh wait...
He grew up. That's really what it is. Talent was always there, but he was living off only that. He's become a basketball player now.
Quote:
Don't remember a player hitting their peak in their 30s as an all star after being average to start their career.
He grew up. That's really what it is. Talent was always there, but he was living off only that. He's become a basketball player now.
But he wasn't ever a great athlete. He became an all star because he out hustles everybody and bullies guys in the paint-something I've never seen out of a PG. He also was never a great 3 point shooter and he's now shooting like 40%.
So they have Noah as the best Knick, #47 in the NBA, based exclusively on his defense (negative offense score). Then KOQ in the 60s, Melo around 95, KP 103, then Plumlee in the 120s as a zero net value player. Everyone else negative. Rose and Jennings as our worst players, based mostly on their D.
Quote:
also a stater of opinions as facts...
why would you use PER in your two faced over 2 years Rose slobbering earlier in this thread... and now PER i guess doesn't matter? when its above 21 you usually are a solid NBA player...maybe not all star caliber, but a very good NBA player...
averaging 19,7 and 2 blocks on a 49 win team is also below average... the 1 time he was on a team constructed around him.
I used PER to compare players of the same position. Using PER across the board is stupid since players have different responsibilities.
Lopez is not good. Getting 5 rebounds a game is an absolute joke for a 7'1 player.
That's not how PER or really any all in stat works. The whole general purpose of any all in stat is to do exactly that, to compare players through positions and through history.