Gasol is going to miss significant time with a bone break so the Spurs reportedly are looking for a big via trade. I'm not sure KOQ for what is currently the 29th pick in the draft is even a deal I would make.
-Booker 21, 8 and 7 last night
-Jokic 35, 12 and 4 with 2 blocks... beast
-Old friend David Lee 10 and 16
-Towns 37 12 and 5
-DeAndre Jordan 29 and 16 (averaging 18 and 18 over his last 5 games)
How would you cal Rubios at 110? Awful? Terrible? Disgraceful? You cant call it one of the best in the league (which you have done before). You cant call it good. you cant even call it average.
So Rubio cant shoot, defend, or be used in crunchtime. He can pass, that we ca nagree with.
Just out of curiosity- are your Rose underoos Knicks blue and orange or Bulls Red and black?
Rubio has a positive 4 net rating, Rose has a negative 9.
I really think he needs to stay in school. It was crazy watching him his freshman year-he didn't play much but he would do crazy things that would make you fawn over him.
Year 2 he's taken a bigger role but I honestly still have no idea what he is as a player. He has some of the craziest dunks I've seen, but he also has head scratching plays. Is he a small ball 4? He certainly can defend 3, maybe 4 positions. But he isn't a notable rebounder. He has shown range but he's far from a reliable shooter at all. He's really strong, but when he posts up he's mechanical and attacks the rim with blinders on which leads to turnovers.
I've watched almost every single game he's played and I still don't know what to come up with. Sometimes I think he's going to be Kawhi. Other times I think he's going to be Stanley Johnson. The ceiling is high but the floor can be low if he enters the league when he's not polished like Noah Vonleh. For his sake, I hope he stays for at least another year.
So this desire to defend him now is odd.
So this desire to defend him now is odd.
Because he played poorly. He shot a ton of 3s and never looke for his pull up jumper. He was shooting 4-5 threes a game and shooting them poorly. This year he is attacking and doing much better.
These Knicks threads are like something out of Groundhog Day. Every day I click on them and every day it's the same exact arguments going down. Nobody is ever going to change anyone else's mind so I'm not sure what repeating the same nonsense over and over and over again has accomplished.
Oh well, sorry to interrupt. Now back to your regularly scheduled Rose debates...
You'd rather teams call us with interest(I think we have some guys teams would want), just announce that everyone is available and let teams call us.
You'd rather teams call us with interest(I think we have some guys teams would want), just announce that everyone is available and let teams call us.
thevsad part is the 8th place team only has 21 wins..
the bucks have lost 4 in a row..
knicks win 2 and they are tge 8th seed, its crazy
Yet I literally asked you by the eye test what specifically makes Rose a vastly superior player to the garbage Rubio and you just replied with more stats.
And Carl, I can assure you my physical conditioning would disgrace yours. Some of us can not be afraid of math and at the same time, be real live physical humans who play sports and stay active.
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I am trying to rectify the situation. I asked Eric to add a calculator function to BBI so when the game is going on, we can calculate how one is playing.
Yet I literally asked you by the eye test what specifically makes Rose a vastly superior player to the garbage Rubio and you just replied with more stats.
And Carl, I can assure you my physical conditioning would disgrace yours. Some of us can not be afraid of math and at the same time, be real live physical humans who play sports and stay active.
Ive answered it many times already. You see what you want to see. And it usually involved formuals. Rose is asked to carry a much bigger load and is better at it. Rubio on an all-star team can be functionable (odd that he sucks with a team full of talent though.)
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Knicks currently sit with the 11th worst record. I guess it has to start with the melo trade. Is Phil just letting the frustration rise to put more pressure on melo?
You'd rather teams call us with interest(I think we have some guys teams would want), just announce that everyone is available and let teams call us.
thevsad part is the 8th place team only has 21 wins..
the bucks have lost 4 in a row..
knicks win 2 and they are tge 8th seed, its crazy
We can't be delusional enough to not see the opportunity here, right? We took a shot, this team won't work. The talent is there, but it's clear the problem goes deeper. At this point, we are closer to the bottom, so flip the script and embrace that. We've done it before.
Oofa....
I know there are certain posters who want to be right so bad so they look to point at rose, who isn't a very smart defender, but he gives effort. I'll take that any day over melo who is the one constant on 10 years of bad defenses. You cannot win with melo as a key player, especially not now where he's lost so much offensively.
Amen, brother.
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Knicks currently sit with the 11th worst record. I guess it has to start with the melo trade. Is Phil just letting the frustration rise to put more pressure on melo?
You'd rather teams call us with interest(I think we have some guys teams would want), just announce that everyone is available and let teams call us.
thevsad part is the 8th place team only has 21 wins..
the bucks have lost 4 in a row..
knicks win 2 and they are tge 8th seed, its crazy
Doesn't help that they blew all the easy games on the schedule. These next 5 games are rough with 4 on the road and the one home game being against Charlotte. Before the tread deadline next month they play the Cavs, Thunder and Spurs with the Lakers, clips and nets mixed in.
I'm not sure how bad things have to get before Phil is forced to make changes.
Man, your need to bash Melo whenever a bad word is said about Rose is neurotic.
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when will he ever contest a shot? We know it wont be with the game on the line against a 6'0 guard.
Man, your need to bash Melo whenever a bad word is said about Rose is neurotic.
Its odd that you havent picked up what I am doing.
Didn't the 2013 Knicks have a top 3 defense?
Anyways I don't want to get involved in this endless debate. I think I'm an anamoly from the group you're calling out. Fuck Melo AND fuck Rose. Now both can go kindly fuck off on to other teams.
0 chance that happens. He may be 3 years to line up with Noah and Lee. But they wont max him at 4.
On a side note, did the Spurs really find their future starting PG with another late 1st rounder? Murray has been legit in the 2 games he's started. He's extremely quick and slippery, an absolute killer in transition.
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disappointed when Rose signs a 4 year deal with you guys in the offseason. He wont get the max. But he will get close to it.
0 chance that happens. He may be 3 years to line up with Noah and Lee. But they wont max him at 4.
Ok, I can buy that. But he is either going to be a Knick or Bull, and I dont see the Bulls happening.
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disappointed when Rose signs a 4 year deal with you guys in the offseason. He wont get the max. But he will get close to it.
0 chance that happens. He may be 3 years to line up with Noah and Lee. But they wont max him at 4.
Ok, I can buy that. But he is either going to be a Knick or Bull, and I dont see the Bulls happening.
Why? There are plenty of teams that would sign him. It just depends on what he wants and if he realizes that he isnt getting MVP money.
More I look at teams the more I can see Rose getting the max.
Sacramento: Total Kings move. Gay is leaving and they have max money to throw around and then some. He'd certainly cause hype there and he's actually levels better than anything the Kings had at PG since like Tyreke Evans.
Dallas: they are only at $60M in cap space and will be looking to move on from Williams (at least as a starter)
Orlando: looking for a PG, have max money.
Miami: if they move Dragic they will have like $70M in cap space and would need a PG. Think he'd be a good fit next to Whiteside too. When he drives in and takes two defenders he has the best cleanup Big to put away anytime he misses.
Denver: not likely but they could move a player to clear space. Mudiay sucks but their team is good. Plus, rose could be really good off the ball with Jokic feeding him back cuts.
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I just see him only go to those 2 places.
More I look at teams the more I can see Rose getting the max.
Sacramento: Total Kings move. Gay is leaving and they have max money to throw around and then some. He'd certainly cause hype there and he's actually levels better than anything the Kings had at PG since like Tyreke Evans.
Dallas: they are only at $60M in cap space and will be looking to move on from Williams (at least as a starter)
Orlando: looking for a PG, have max money.
Miami: if they move Dragic they will have like $70M in cap space and would need a PG. Think he'd be a good fit next to Whiteside too. When he drives in and takes two defenders he has the best cleanup Big to put away anytime he misses.
Denver: not likely but they could move a player to clear space. Mudiay sucks but their team is good. Plus, rose could be really good off the ball with Jokic feeding him back cuts.
The slight problem is these teams will draft PGs if they are available, thus making Rose or any other PG not worth the money. The Kings are interesting since they may lose their pick.
On a side note, did the Spurs really find their future starting PG with another late 1st rounder? Murray has been legit in the 2 games he's started. He's extremely quick and slippery, an absolute killer in transition.
I'm pretty much the biggest Kawhi fan around but he's not the best defensive player in the league. That goes to Rudy Gobert.
Nets don't have their pick, if the kings get high enough of a pick to get a PG that means the sixers would just swap with them.
The magic won't even be in the top 10. Nuggets will make the playoffs. Rose would be fun to watch in Denver too. From a fan perspective that's where I'd want him to go. Mudiay is just a shitty rose in like every respect so getting Rose would be a clear upgrade to their team.
NO would be an interesting destination if they don't keep Holiday.
The Lakers if they lose their pick?
There will be like 5-6 teams I think that would be in the market for a PG even after you account for the 5 PGs in the draft that would deter teams from splurging on one.
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yesterday? The MVP is a stats driven award and although Harden has been unreal this season Id be hard pressed to think why Kawhi doesn't deserve the award. He won't rack up 50 point games or triple doubles but night in, night out he knocks down shots with efficiency and maintains being the best defensive player in the league.
On a side note, did the Spurs really find their future starting PG with another late 1st rounder? Murray has been legit in the 2 games he's started. He's extremely quick and slippery, an absolute killer in transition.
I'm pretty much the biggest Kawhi fan around but he's not the best defensive player in the league. That goes to Rudy Gobert.
How's best perimeter defender?
I think that's a pipe dream too. I say 3-60.
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A Rondo type deal- 2 years maybe with an option at 10-12 million.
I think that's a pipe dream too. I say 3-60.
And I'll say 3-75 or 4-100