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NFT: Knicks Chat: KOQ/Spurs fit?

DanMetroMan : 1/20/2017 9:15 am
Gasol is going to miss significant time with a bone break so the Spurs reportedly are looking for a big via trade. I'm not sure KOQ for what is currently the 29th pick in the draft is even a deal I would make.

-Booker 21, 8 and 7 last night

-Jokic 35, 12 and 4 with 2 blocks... beast

-Old friend David Lee 10 and 16

-Towns 37 12 and 5

-DeAndre Jordan 29 and 16 (averaging 18 and 18 over his last 5 games)

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I'll split the last 2  
dep026 : 1/22/2017 1:02 pm : link
3 for 65.
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 1:10 pm : link
So the Bulls front office isnt sleeping through this 22-23 start after all. According to multiple sources, the Bulls have been actively shopping Rajon Rondo and Nikola Mirotic in hopes of shaking up the roster, as well as making a second-half run in the wide-open Eastern Conference. via Chicago Sun-Times
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 1:10 pm : link
However, according to one of the sources, neither player is moving the needle as far as what general manager Gar Forman deems a worthy return. Obviously, you knew that would be the case with Rondo, the source said. But they dont like what theyre hearing back on [Mirotic] either. Then again, thats a [front office] that tends to overvalue its assets. via Chicago Sun-Times
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 1:14 pm : link
The perception around the league is Jacksons trade value is down with Jackson only being able to fetch the likes of Rubio or Sacramento Kings point guard Darren Collison if the Pistons are insisting on getting back a starting-caliber point guard. via Detroit Free Press
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giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13335460 DanMetroMan said:
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However, according to one of the sources, neither player is moving the needle as far as what general manager Gar Forman deems a worthy return. Obviously, you knew that would be the case with Rondo, the source said. But they dont like what theyre hearing back on [Mirotic] either. Then again, thats a [front office] that tends to overvalue its assets. via Chicago Sun-Times


There's only 2 players on the Bulls that have any trade value (actually 3 if you include Portis who I think is going to be a really good player but they clearly have no interest in trying to develop him). They'll never part with Butler but this team has no future as constructed. They might even miss the playoffs this year and I don't see how they get better aside from overpaying for one of the average PGs coming onto the market.

Butler may net you 1-2 Nets picks and/or Crowder and they'd end up with 2 other high end first round picks as a byproduct of a crappy roster. Wade could probably net another few nice pieces too. But that'll never happen and they'll hold onto Butler for too long and continue to meddle in mediocrity.
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 1:50 pm : link
really sure why Mirotic would have big trade value. What is his value? He's a tall stretch 4 who isn't a great shooter. I mean he's still youngish but he's basically a solid role player. Zero evidence of untapped upside.
Bulls after they traded rose should of just tanked  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2017 1:56 pm : link
and yes i am sorry deej and giantsfan you were right knicks should of done the same..
I think mcdermott  
dep026 : 1/22/2017 2:00 pm : link
Has more value than mirotic. Mcdermott has flashed at times. Needs to play more. Better rebounder than I thought.
RE: Not  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13335490 DanMetroMan said:
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really sure why Mirotic would have big trade value. What is his value? He's a tall stretch 4 who isn't a great shooter. I mean he's still youngish but he's basically a solid role player. Zero evidence of untapped upside.


It's really gone downhill for him. You'd think on a team that's trying to squeeze any production out of anyone else outside Butler/Wade he'd get a lot of minutes. He's not a bad rebounder. If he was a 3 point threat he'd be a starter on many teams. Is he a terrible defender?

Don't know what the Bulls are doing at all. Not sure if it's Hoiberg or the front office but why the hell would this dude Paul zipper or whatever get minutes over Portis? Hoiberg was given the same roster as thibs and just took it downhill from there.

Trying to understand certain professional sports teams is pretty confusing.
i could see knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2017 2:01 pm : link
keepimg rose and melo getting a lottery pick and the knicks hoping the pick contributes right away..

But you have to start playing willy and kuz consistently..

i could see jennings and oquinn traded at the deadline
RE: I think mcdermott  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13335506 dep026 said:
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Has more value than mirotic. Mcdermott has flashed at times. Needs to play more. Better rebounder than I thought.


I like McDermott but is he anything more than a guy you'd bring off the bench for 20 minutes in a playoff series? He's not good enough at rebounding to play major minutes at the 4 and he's certainly not a guy you'd want guarding starting SFs.
RE: i could see knicks  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13335510 nygiants16 said:
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keepimg rose and melo getting a lottery pick and the knicks hoping the pick contributes right away..

But you have to start playing willy and kuz consistently..

i could see jennings and oquinn traded at the deadline


Hey is the sixers want to make a playoff run why not take Jennings? He'd be solid as a spot up shooter and secondary creator with Simmons back. I'd take a chance on a few of the young end of rotation guys that will never get run in philly like Hollis Thompson or richuan Holmes.
Great read on the Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 2:12 pm : link
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New York is 15th offensively, and has been higher at times in the season. They are definitely good enough on offense to make the playoffs. But they are 25th defensively, and that's where they lose games. There's a lot of blame to go around for this. Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings are all poor defensive players for a variety of reasons. They push the pace but aren't in great shape to keep that up in finding guys in transition. But a big reason for it is schematic.
The Knicks are 26th in defending spot-up plays this season, via Synergy Sports. Now, New York is actually middle of the pack in guarding 3-pointers per 100 possessions. How is that possible? Well, Synergy tracks plays where a player spots up, catches the ball and then drives either to the rim or a pull-up jumper. And the Knicks, especially their guards, are routinely out of position. Much of this is because of a scheme the Knicks employ under Kurt Rambis where the weakside wing defender overloads the side the ball is on, hoping to contain pick and roll, which forces them to recover rapidly when the ball reverses to the other side of the floor.

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dep026 : 1/22/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13335512 giantsfan44ab said:
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Has more value than mirotic. Mcdermott has flashed at times. Needs to play more. Better rebounder than I thought.



I like McDermott but is he anything more than a guy you'd bring off the bench for 20 minutes in a playoff series? He's not good enough at rebounding to play major minutes at the 4 and he's certainly not a guy you'd want guarding starting SFs.


Actually your spot on with his abilities. And I think thats a type of guy a lot of teams can use. Obviously his defense is a problem. But I can see him playing a nice role on a contending team. He actually moves better than I thought and drives to the basket. I see him as a role/bench player who can contribute.
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 2:45 pm : link
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The Knicks need to go 22-15 just to finish 41-41. So it looks like they'll fall just shy of the 65 wins Tommy D-minus predicted.
I  
Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 2:46 pm : link
was admittedly pretty bullish on the Knicks this year, but I thought 46-50 wins was the ceiling.

Tommy Dipshit remains a clownshow.
Isola  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 2:51 pm : link
is a total troll but Tommy Dee is such a moron that I enjoy when he gets shit on. He repeatedly defended the Bargnani move even when it was a proven disaster.
Frank Isola  
Deej : 1/22/2017 3:30 pm : link
seems like a terrible person.
Isola banned me  
Sgrcts : 1/22/2017 3:31 pm : link
on Twitter after he challenged me to a fight.
RE: Frank Isola  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2017 3:32 pm : link
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seems like a terrible person.


i dont get why he bothers with the dailynews, he does a ton of national media stuff and i am suree espn would hire him, he already does around the horn..
Isola  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 3:34 pm : link
is a troll but this piece (not new) gives you some insight into why
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 4:07 pm : link
Kenny DuceyVerified account ‏@KennyDucey 18h18 hours ago
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Carmelo Anthony is now shooting 4-of-29 in the last 10 seconds of games which the Knicks are losing by 3 or less, dating back to 201213
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dep026 : 1/22/2017 4:08 pm : link
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Carmelo Anthony is now shooting 4-of-29 in the last 10 seconds of games which the Knicks are losing by 3 or less, dating back to 201213


clutch.
If you actually look at it  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2017 4:38 pm : link
Knocks really are not set up to bad...

they have porzingis, willy and kuz who look could be nice pieces going forward..

looks like they will have a lottery pick..

they will have 2 more 2nd rounders..

they will have cap space if they let rose go..

could have more if they let melo go..

to be honest at this moment they are going to keep losing anyway might as well keep rose and melo unless they get blow away by an offer and add picks to this group..

Brandon Ingram  
Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 4:46 pm : link
having one of the all time worst games in NBA history at the half:

B. Ingram SF 17 1-7 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 -34 2

Lakers down 67-33.
RE: Brandon Ingram  
dep026 : 1/22/2017 5:03 pm : link
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having one of the all time worst games in NBA history at the half:

B. Ingram SF 17 1-7 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 -34 2

Lakers down 67-33.


Still cant believe there were people calling hiim over simmons for number 1 pick.

Ingram was nowhere near ready to come out.
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Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 5:04 pm : link
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having one of the all time worst games in NBA history at the half:

B. Ingram SF 17 1-7 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 -34 2

Lakers down 67-33.



Still cant believe there were people calling hiim over simmons for number 1 pick.

Ingram was nowhere near ready to come out.


This draft class is lucky Embiid got hurt. Otherwise we'd be talking about it as one of the all time worst rookie classes in NBA history.
RE: Isola  
BigBlueShock : 1/22/2017 5:06 pm : link
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is a troll but this piece (not new) gives you some insight into why Link - ( New Window )

Seems like a real stand up guy. Always everyone else's fault but his own. Of course he didn't have ANYTHING to do with the poor relationship, right?
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Deej : 1/22/2017 5:12 pm : link
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Kenny DuceyVerified account ‏@KennyDucey 18h18 hours ago
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Carmelo Anthony is now shooting 4-of-29 in the last 10 seconds of games which the Knicks are losing by 3 or less, dating back to 201213



clutch.


Hater. He's average clutch in end of game situations, per ESPN. Right there with Durant, Paul and Wade, way better than Lebron.
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He was good early, but he's in brutal  
Keith : 1/22/2017 5:15 pm : link
since joining the Knicks. Has to be historically bad, can you get those stats?
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giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 5:16 pm : link
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having one of the all time worst games in NBA history at the half:

B. Ingram SF 17 1-7 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 -34 2

Lakers down 67-33.



Still cant believe there were people calling hiim over simmons for number 1 pick.

Ingram was nowhere near ready to come out.



This draft class is lucky Embiid got hurt. Otherwise we'd be talking about it as one of the all time worst rookie classes in NBA history.


Embiid still isn't part of this draft class. This draft class still remains pathetic.

2 guys that are going to make the All rookie first team aren't even from this draft.

And if Willy and Kuz got 20-23 mpg consistently both would be on the 2nd team IMO.
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giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 5:20 pm : link
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having one of the all time worst games in NBA history at the half:

B. Ingram SF 17 1-7 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 -34 2

Lakers down 67-33.



Still cant believe there were people calling hiim over simmons for number 1 pick.

Ingram was nowhere near ready to come out.


Yup. I thought (and still think) Ingram was gonna be a pretty good NBA player one day but I was at a loss that people were trying to turn Simmons vs Ingram into a debate.

People (even teams) take college team success too much into account when evaluating players. That's the only reason Frank Kaminsky was taken in the lottery of a great draft.

It will be silly if that comes into play with Markelle Fultz this year.
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Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 5:23 pm : link
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having one of the all time worst games in NBA history at the half:

B. Ingram SF 17 1-7 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 -34 2

Lakers down 67-33.



Still cant believe there were people calling hiim over simmons for number 1 pick.

Ingram was nowhere near ready to come out.



Yup. I thought (and still think) Ingram was gonna be a pretty good NBA player one day but I was at a loss that people were trying to turn Simmons vs Ingram into a debate.

People (even teams) take college team success too much into account when evaluating players. That's the only reason Frank Kaminsky was taken in the lottery of a great draft.

It will be silly if that comes into play with Markelle Fultz this year.


That's insane. People liked Frank because he's a true center who can shoot and had elite passing ability. The Hornets managed to fuck that up by playing him exclusively at the 4. Don't put that on Frank.
Lol center??  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 5:33 pm : link
With no rim protection or rebounding?

He hasn't shown NBA range. He's getting outplayed by Cody Zeller because he's a better rebounder, defender, and pick and roll threat. He can't beat out Marvin Williams at the 4 because he isn't much of a deep threat or defender.

Not saying Frank is on an ideal team but his team isn't bad and they don't need him much to win games.

I like Frank but I didn't see him much more than a plus bench guy in the league. He's turning 24 already. Booker and Turner were too much, much better upside guys taken after him. Dekker was the better Wisco pro prospect and looks like he's gonna be a stud. I'd take Portis, RHJ and Lyles over Frank as well.
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DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 5:44 pm : link
Added, the Bulls may not keep guard Dwyane Wade past this season, according to Hoops Rumors. Wade has a player option to become a free agent next season. If the Bulls opt to rebuild, Wade could opt to join the Cavaliers or Knicks via free agency.
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I'm wondering where wade would even go  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 5:54 pm : link
If Parker and ginobili retire next season I'd love to see SA get him.
RE: Lol center??  
Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13335841 giantsfan44ab said:
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With no rim protection or rebounding?

He hasn't shown NBA range. He's getting outplayed by Cody Zeller because he's a better rebounder, defender, and pick and roll threat. He can't beat out Marvin Williams at the 4 because he isn't much of a deep threat or defender.

Not saying Frank is on an ideal team but his team isn't bad and they don't need him much to win games.

I like Frank but I didn't see him much more than a plus bench guy in the league. He's turning 24 already. Booker and Turner were too much, much better upside guys taken after him. Dekker was the better Wisco pro prospect and looks like he's gonna be a stud. I'd take Portis, RHJ and Lyles over Frank as well.


Frank as a featured player would be Brook Lopez.
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nygiants16 : 1/22/2017 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13335854 DanMetroMan said:
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Added, the Bulls may not keep guard Dwyane Wade past this season, according to Hoops Rumors. Wade has a player option to become a free agent next season. If the Bulls opt to rebuild, Wade could opt to join the Cavaliers or Knicks via free agency. Link - ( New Window )


draft a point guard, let rose go and sign wade lol...
RE: I'm wondering where wade would even go  
nygiants16 : 1/22/2017 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13335861 giantsfan44ab said:
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If Parker and ginobili retire next season I'd love to see SA get him.


at this point he would probably go play with one of his friends
Wade  
DanMetroMan : 1/22/2017 6:12 pm : link
left Miami over money, now he's turning down 23.8 million to become a FA? I find it hard to believe.
RE: RE: Lol center??  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13335863 Jon in NYC said:
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With no rim protection or rebounding?

He hasn't shown NBA range. He's getting outplayed by Cody Zeller because he's a better rebounder, defender, and pick and roll threat. He can't beat out Marvin Williams at the 4 because he isn't much of a deep threat or defender.

Not saying Frank is on an ideal team but his team isn't bad and they don't need him much to win games.

I like Frank but I didn't see him much more than a plus bench guy in the league. He's turning 24 already. Booker and Turner were too much, much better upside guys taken after him. Dekker was the better Wisco pro prospect and looks like he's gonna be a stud. I'd take Portis, RHJ and Lyles over Frank as well.



Frank as a featured player would be Brook Lopez.


So the best player on the worst team in the NBA?

Frank on a contending team is someone you give 20 minutes off the bench a night to play stretch 4 and keep the offense going (assuming he one day becomes an even league average NBA 3 point shooter). He's not even as good of a 3 point shooter as brook Lopez. Having him matchup against Howard, Whiteside, Cousins, Gobert, Draymond, etc. is the equivalent of bringing a chiseled wooden stick to a nuclear war.

Right now he looks a lot closer to a poor man's Dario saric than Brook Lopez. Dario can at least shoot, rebound and keep up with PFs on defense, unlike Frank.
Frank  
Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 6:51 pm : link
isn't a 4. That's why you're wrong as are the Hornets.
RE: Frank  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13335970 Jon in NYC said:
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isn't a 4. That's why you're wrong as are the Hornets.


He's not a 5 when he's as good as a rebounder as Carmelo Anthony, less nimble than Kevin love and weaker than KP.
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Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13336003 giantsfan44ab said:
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isn't a 4. That's why you're wrong as are the Hornets.



He's not a 5 when he's as good as a rebounder as Carmelo Anthony, less nimble than Kevin love and weaker than KP.


Well for starters, he should be less nimble than Love. He's a center.

And the other two are wrong.
His rebounding numbers  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 7:15 pm : link
Both regular and advanced are right on par with Carmelo's.

If it was so obvious that he's some all star at the center position but Barry playable at the 4 you think the Hornets wouldn't have needed to sign Roy fucking hibbert.

Frank had way too many flaws to be a lottery pick in the draft and he's shown absolutely nothing to prove me otherwise.
Lets  
Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 7:29 pm : link
not pretend like the Hornets are some super well run organization.

It's okay, take the L on this one. I don't really have any interest in talking about Big Frank anymore.

I'll leave you with this:

Will do  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 7:35 pm : link
If he's a true 5 he's not meant for this age of small ball lineups anyways.

Loved him in college, have nothing against him, just don't think he's a starter on a .500+ team.
People have weird crushes on bad  
Sgrcts : 1/22/2017 7:48 pm : link
players. At least Rose once was good. Kaminsky is at best like a 7th/8th man on a mediocre team.
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Jon in NYC : 1/22/2017 7:51 pm : link
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players. At least Rose once was good. Kaminsky is at best like a 7th/8th man on a mediocre team.


RE: People have weird crushes on bad  
giantsfan44ab : 1/22/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13336091 Sgrcts said:
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players. At least Rose once was good. Kaminsky is at best like a 7th/8th man on a mediocre team.


Well Jon went to Wisco so I get his allegiance to Frank.
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