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If JPP walks, is Chandler Jones any kind of option?

Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 1:32 pm
Yes, the Pats traded him for bust Jonathan Cooper, but he's still only 27..

Pass? Consider?
Didn't BB try to extend him first?  
jcn56 : 1/20/2017 1:34 pm : link
Or am I remembering someone else? Though he was traded in part due to cost.
He was gone,  
Doomster : 1/20/2017 1:34 pm : link
after the half naked MJ incident...
RE: Didn't BB try to extend him first?  
Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13334133 jcn56 said:
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Or am I remembering someone else? Though he was traded in part due to cost.


Not sure. I just heard that he played pretty well for the Cards
Zero chance  
Giantology : 1/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
Arizona will tag him if they can't get a long term deal
I would be for it  
kash94 : 1/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
but he'll get a huge deal - not much lower than that of JPP's IMO.

I think the Cardinals love him there though so they'll make a big push to resign him.
RE: Zero chance  
Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13334138 Giantology said:
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Arizona will tag him if they can't get a long term deal


So what I heard, which was he played rather well for the Cards was true?
He is going to get paid  
EddieNYG : 1/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
He is 26 years old. Jones will get a contract just as good as Olivier Vernon, if not more.

If the Giants don't pay JPP, they're not going to turn around and pay more $$ to Jones.
BB  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2017 1:38 pm : link
did not try and extend him from what I read.

The day he showed up at the police station and was rushed to the hospital during a playoff bye week disoriented and disheveled due to a reaction from synthetic marijuana he sealed his fate in New England.


Not enough vowels.  
Giantgator : 1/20/2017 1:38 pm : link
Pass.
RE: RE: Zero chance  
Giantology : 1/20/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13334140 Big Blue '56 said:
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Arizona will tag him if they can't get a long term deal



So what I heard, which was he played rather well for the Cards was true?


I didn't follow Zona much this year (used to more when I lived in Tucson), so I can't speak to his performance although statistically he had double digit sacks. Just remember that AZ also traded their 2nd round pick in the 16 draft, so to give that up for a 1 year rental would be a bad use of resources.
Read an article earlier in the week ...  
Beer Man : 1/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
that speculated that the Cardinals are going to do everything to sign him before he hits the open market.
Not consistent versus run  
JonC : 1/20/2017 1:53 pm : link
light in the pants.
Yea  
Toth029 : 1/20/2017 1:54 pm : link
Like some said, he'll command some big money, more than JPP in my view.

Some other options to look at:

Jabaal Sheard / NE
Andre Branch / MIA
Devin Taylor / DET
William Gholston / TB
Alex Okafor / ARI

Okafor has only played in a 3-4 at OLB but he is 6'4", 260 lbs. I think he could make a transition.

Taylor is coming off 11.5 sacks the past two years and started every game for the Lions this season. Young guy with good size.
You pay JPP for his production qnd leadership  
robbieballs2003 : 1/20/2017 1:56 pm : link
You pass on Jones for OD-ing.
RE: RE: Zero chance  
giants#1 : 1/20/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13334140 Big Blue '56 said:
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Arizona will tag him if they can't get a long term deal



So what I heard, which was he played rather well for the Cards was true?


Pats also received a draft pick (2nd rd?) in that deal. They didn't trade Jones because he was a bust, they dealt him due to his off the field issues and the large contract he was going to demand. At the time it was suggested that BB and the Pats wanted to keep Jamie Collins over Jones, though obviously things changed there as well.

RE: RE: RE: Zero chance  
Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13334189 giants#1 said:
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Arizona will tag him if they can't get a long term deal



So what I heard, which was he played rather well for the Cards was true?



Pats also received a draft pick (2nd rd?) in that deal. They didn't trade Jones because he was a bust, they dealt him due to his off the field issues and the large contract he was going to demand. At the time it was suggested that BB and the Pats wanted to keep Jamie Collins over Jones, though obviously things changed there as well.


I said Cooper was a bust..😎
giants#1  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2017 2:30 pm : link
that's what pisses Patriots fans off.

they were told through the media they couldn't keep Jones, Collins, Hightower and Butler.

All UFA's in 2017 except Butler who is a RFA.

So they figured one would be odd man out. they trade Jones Pats fans think problem solved.

then they trade Collins.

So now if they fail to retain Hightower and Butler long-term Pats fans get even more pissed.

He will demand more money than JPP  
chuckydee9 : 1/20/2017 3:05 pm : link
Why would you want to do this?
RE: He will demand more money than JPP  
Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 3:18 pm : link
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Why would you want to do this?


It's a POSSIBLE option if not tagged, not a necessary wish on my part per se..Just curious what the brethren thought..
RE: giants#1  
rasbutant : 1/20/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13334201 pjcas18 said:
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that's what pisses Patriots fans off.

they were told through the media they couldn't keep Jones, Collins, Hightower and Butler.

All UFA's in 2017 except Butler who is a RFA.

So they figured one would be odd man out. they trade Jones Pats fans think problem solved.

then they trade Collins.

So now if they fail to retain Hightower and Butler long-term Pats fans get even more pissed.


Not sure how pissed they can justify being as they watch their team in the divisional playoff and most likely superbowl.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13334376 rasbutant said:
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that's what pisses Patriots fans off.

they were told through the media they couldn't keep Jones, Collins, Hightower and Butler.

All UFA's in 2017 except Butler who is a RFA.

So they figured one would be odd man out. they trade Jones Pats fans think problem solved.

then they trade Collins.

So now if they fail to retain Hightower and Butler long-term Pats fans get even more pissed.




Not sure how pissed they can justify being as they watch their team in the divisional playoff and most likely superbowl.


Doesn't matter. They'll never get over those two devastating SB losses to Eli and Co..😜
guys like him aren't fit for NYC  
UConn4523 : 1/20/2017 4:13 pm : link
he'd get swallowed alive here (socially speaking). I want nothing to do with that family bloodline especially at the price it would cost.
RE: guys like him aren't fit for NYC  
Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13334387 UConn4523 said:
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he'd get swallowed alive here (socially speaking). I want nothing to do with that family bloodline especially at the price it would cost.


Bloodlines? What am I missing?
RE: RE: giants#1  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13334376 rasbutant said:
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that's what pisses Patriots fans off.

they were told through the media they couldn't keep Jones, Collins, Hightower and Butler.

All UFA's in 2017 except Butler who is a RFA.

So they figured one would be odd man out. they trade Jones Pats fans think problem solved.

then they trade Collins.

So now if they fail to retain Hightower and Butler long-term Pats fans get even more pissed.




Not sure how pissed they can justify being as they watch their team in the divisional playoff and most likely superbowl.


relatively speaking. of course winning cures all and Belichick has built up a ton of goodwill so his moves are less scrutinized than other GM's, but if the Pats don't win the SB, and don't re-sign those three and you'll hear grumblings from the fans.
RE: RE: guys like him aren't fit for NYC  
pjcas18 : 1/20/2017 4:17 pm : link
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he'd get swallowed alive here (socially speaking). I want nothing to do with that family bloodline especially at the price it would cost.



Bloodlines? What am I missing?


His brothers are Arthur Jones (football player) and Jon Jones (UFC) both with PED issues - I assume that's what he meant
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Big Blue '56 : 1/20/2017 4:32 pm : link
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he'd get swallowed alive here (socially speaking). I want nothing to do with that family bloodline especially at the price it would cost.



Bloodlines? What am I missing?



His brothers are Arthur Jones (football player) and Jon Jones (UFC) both with PED issues - I assume that's what he meant


Ahh, ok
RE: RE: RE: RE: guys like him aren't fit for NYC  
UConn4523 : 1/20/2017 4:42 pm : link
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he'd get swallowed alive here (socially speaking). I want nothing to do with that family bloodline especially at the price it would cost.



Bloodlines? What am I missing?



His brothers are Arthur Jones (football player) and Jon Jones (UFC) both with PED issues - I assume that's what he meant



Ahh, ok


I'm just not a fan of the family from a "lets invest a mega deal into them" perspective. With the money Chandler will get, let him be someone else's problem. I'd rather spend it on an older JPP who's light years better against the run.
Inorder to sign chandler  
xman : 1/20/2017 7:55 pm : link
wont they have to let calais campbell go???
This is not the Chandler from Friends  
David B. : 1/20/2017 9:22 pm : link
Right?
RE: You pay JPP for his production qnd leadership  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/20/2017 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13334167 robbieballs2003 said:
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You pass on Jones for OD-ing.

Or you pass on both and bring your cap resources back into balance.
Our cap situation seems to change every day.  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 1/21/2017 1:12 am : link
Jason Raanan, our ESPN reporter sounded pretty credible a few days ago:

“We don’t have as much money as we had last year to go shopping in free agency,” general manager Jerry Reese said recently, “but I think that we will be able to do things that we need to get done to help this football team.”

"With some expected salary trimming, the Giants should be close to $35 million under the salary cap by the time free agency begins. It’s not like last year, when the Giants were around $50 million under the cap, but it’s more than enough for Reese and Abrams to maneuver freely."
Just sign JPP  
mrvax : 1/21/2017 5:48 am : link
and stop the nonsense.
Chandler  
Doomster : 1/21/2017 8:34 am : link
is more like Osi than Strahan.....a good pass rushing DE, that can be run on....with two seasons of double digit sacks, and his age, he will get a big contract....

RE: Just sign JPP  
Big Blue '56 : 1/21/2017 8:54 am : link
In comment 13334681 mrvax said:
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and stop the nonsense.


Vax, not that simple..We WILL get grossly outbid by teams with tons more cap dollars..Do you want the Giants to use a ton of cap space at the expense of fixing the O with those valuable cap dollars? Let's say, on paper (because you never know from year to year), with JPP there our D is better than without him. What difference would it make if we can't fix the O?
BB56  
GeoMan999 : 1/21/2017 11:06 am : link
How do you explain OV having .5 sacks in the five games where JPP was out vs. 5 sacks in the previous five games where JPP and OV were playing together?

We can use the franchise tag as leverage.
RE: BB56  
Big Blue '56 : 1/21/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13334796 GeoMan999 said:
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How do you explain OV having .5 sacks in the five games where JPP was out vs. 5 sacks in the previous five games where JPP and OV were playing together?

We can use the franchise tag as leverage.


Double teamed? Other or additional reasons? The D, save for the last 20 minutes or so of the GB playoff, played very well without JPP. By saving the hard cap 17 million the FT would cost and putting it towards our O needs and if those needs are addressed and in place a year from now, we're probably in the NFCC one step removed from the SB, IMHO..That's assuming the D continues to do well in JPP's absence which I believe we will..Or, at the very least, good enough as a solid complement to the O
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