I have to tell you that I'm not sold on giving JPP big bucks this year. His sack #s were inflated again this year against meh competition. 3 sacks against the Browns immediately comes to mind. I think it would be better to control the cap with a rookie deal at DE and use the money elsewhere (OL).
Tak McKinley looks the part of the Giants DE mold. Strong kid with excellent, natural bend and a serious bull rush. I real force at DE. Watch his reel and tell me you can't see this kid in Blue next year.
I'd be all over this kid if we don't go John Ross/WR Huskies. We need to get to the QB and we just weren't there with the elite teams on QB pressure last year. And our defense was really good with out that. A lil more QB pressure and we can get to that elite level.
UCLA DE/OLB Takkarist McKinley 2016 Highlights - (
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He's one of the best 3 or 4 DEs in football and with him we have chance to be the dominate NFL defense in 2018. Not likely to get that from a rookie.
For one thing, every player has some games against weak competition, and sack numbers don't tell the entire story anyhow.
Any person with a modest understanding of the game should have been able to tell that JPP had a great season. He was incredibly disruptive in the passing game, and stout against the run.
If the Giants decide to move on it will be because of injury concerns not lack of production.
This "inflated sack numbers" stuff is Madden fanboy nonsense.
For one thing, every player has some games against weak competition, and sack numbers don't tell the entire story anyhow.
Any person with a modest understanding of the game should have been able to tell that JPP had a great season. He was incredibly disruptive in the passing game, and stout against the run.
If the Giants decide to move on it will be because of injury concerns not lack of production.
This "inflated sack numbers" stuff is Madden fanboy nonsense.
Well, that's your opinion. This kid's frame could handle another 15 lbs' easily. Strahan played at 245 and was dominant. Is he Strahan? No. But this is a passing league now and I think his run D is pretty good. Excellent awareness and can track QBs in space. Something we've had issues with recently.
He does everything well: gets on and around the OT with speed, cannot be cut blocked, comes around the corner fast on running plays to catch RB behind the L.O.S. (he rinds me of Strahan, in that respect)
Vernon had 8 sacks in the first 12 games with JPP and 0.5 after JPP went down. When both ends are in there, they can only double team one. This is only what I observed watching TV replays a couple of times: JPP trying to fight through a double team. Maybe they double Vernon just as much or little.
This.
The reason people keep saying Taco Charlton is his size fits the 4-3 DE mold that we like. He's 6'6'' 273 (per WalterFootball and Google/Wikipedia). He'd be a perfect 1st rounder DE for us.
After Charlton in 1, there's that Tanoh Kpassagnon (Villanova) in 2-3, Jordan Willis (Kansas State) in 3-4, or Deatrich Wise Jr. (Arkansas) in 4-5. I'd be surprised if they go for smaller guys than these. B in ALB put out Charles Harris as a possibility in 1, but he's also only 6'3'', and makes more sense if JPP comes back. Vernon is an outlier for 4-3 DEs being only 6'2''. I'd be surprised if they get another smaller guy next to him.
The depth early is for 3-4 DEs and OLBs. Thus: Charlton or bust. That's also why offense is likely early, enough first round depth at OL, TE, and WR to make it probable.
Rodgers was running around in confusion in the first half before throwing inaccurate passes to get rid of the ball, and finally that intentional grounding call. The pass rush causes turnovers.
If you have two premier pass rushers at end, then you have a condition to which all teams aspire and few are fortunate enough to obtain. Lose one and you cut more than half your sack power. The opponent has only one defensive end to account for and can double team him on every passing down.
And what about depth. If JPP was sidelined with an injury and you don't have a Vernon at the other end, then you got nothing at either end.
The team has put massive resources into the offensive line over the last four years. Should we draft some more massive bodies to throw out there on to the line. How many rookie linemen settle in and play near their highest level in their rookie year? Why don't they coach up the big bodies that they have?
If the Giants need a running back and a tight end, they don't need to try to land a "franchise" tight end or back who is no older than 27 and has a spotless injury record. At reasonable cost they can bring in very good players who because of being an aged 30 or 31 won't get the big money, but can still play a lot of good football. Think Antonio Pierce and Antrel Rolle.
The goal of team management, which I think Jerry now is understanding if he didn't before, is not to play it safe to be sure you always have enough cap room to sign two of your team's three most valuable free agents. The goal is to concentrate all the elite All-Pro players that you can find onto your team for a massive assault on the Super Bowl The Giant defense can be that good.
Worry about tomorrow's problems tomorrow. That day may never come.
Well, mrvax has spoken. No need for any further discussion here. Shut this site down.
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Well, that's your opinion. This kid's frame could handle another 15 lbs' easily. Strahan played at 245 and was dominant. Is he Strahan? No. But this is a passing league now and I think his run D is pretty good. Excellent awareness and can track QBs in space. Something we've had issues with recently.
Strahan played at 285 until the last two years. He dropped to 258. Difference is frame. Strahan dropped mass to be quicker.
For one thing, every player has some games against weak competition, and sack numbers don't tell the entire story anyhow.
Any person with a modest understanding of the game should have been able to tell that JPP had a great season. He was incredibly disruptive in the passing game, and stout against the run.
If the Giants decide to move on it will be because of injury concerns not lack of production.
This "inflated sack numbers" stuff is Madden fanboy nonsense.
Good post. People who just look at a DE's sack numbers without considering "hurries" and his play against the run are missing the point. JPP is an extremely valuable DE and if they can afford him, he should be the Giants' top priority this off season, even if it means you have to say goodbye to big Hank.
Rodgers was running around in confusion in the first half before throwing inaccurate passes to get rid of the ball, and finally that intentional grounding call. The pass rush causes turnovers.
This isn't entirely accurate. The "pass rush" was taking 4-5 seconds (or more) to get to Rodgers. That was coverage pressure to a great degree.
but to suggest we cut JPP loose in the prime of his career is just plain silly. JPP has game changing talent -- even with 7 1/2 fingers. He's a franchise player -- how many of them are there in football????
I don;t get how easy some of you can cut him off at the knees - so to speak. I want him on the Giants.
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Plays with his hand in the dirt most of the time but is 6-2,240. You think Reese is going to pick a defensive end in the first round with that size? Doubt it. I think he'll go to a 3-4 team.
This.
The reason people keep saying Taco Charlton is his size fits the 4-3 DE mold that we like. He's 6'6'' 273 (per WalterFootball and Google/Wikipedia). He'd be a perfect 1st rounder DE for us.
After Charlton in 1, there's that Tanoh Kpassagnon (Villanova) in 2-3, Jordan Willis (Kansas State) in 3-4, or Deatrich Wise Jr. (Arkansas) in 4-5. I'd be surprised if they go for smaller guys than these. B in ALB put out Charles Harris as a possibility in 1, but he's also only 6'3'', and makes more sense if JPP comes back. Vernon is an outlier for 4-3 DEs being only 6'2''. I'd be surprised if they get another smaller guy next to him.
The depth early is for 3-4 DEs and OLBs. Thus: Charlton or bust. That's also why offense is likely early, enough first round depth at OL, TE, and WR to make it probable.
If you think Taco is perfect for the Giants please watch this.
Taco vs Wisconsin - ( New Window )
Kennard or Okwara are currently our next best pass rusher after our two defensive ends.
He's one of those guys who could "rise" into the top 10 when everything gets sorted out.
Size isn't an issue if you're a pass rushing DE
And even if you think he's an OLB, we wanted Floyd last year.
I think he's very much in play but guys who can bend the arc like that go very early
Size isn't an issue if you're a pass rushing DE
And even if you think he's an OLB, we wanted Floyd last year.
I think he's very much in play but guys who can bend the arc like that go very early
Good points, but Vernon and Graham were already in the league, and therefore proven players. Floyd seems like a guy who would be better in coverage than McKinley. But as you note, he's likely to go before #23.
At least pretend to know that can't happen
Watch for several money saving cuts and another significant
Off-season
Losing JPP would be a step in wrong direction
There is no logic to it
Zero
Especially defensive linemen, I think of Aaron Donald and 5'11 defensive end Elvis Dumerville, who has averaged 9.9 sacks per year in his 10 years in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/player/elvisdumervil/2495832/careerstats
I want JPP and Hankins, but not at TOO HUGE money.