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Interesting McGinn article on GB pass pro technique

Defenderdawg : 1/21/2017 8:46 pm
Since we saw it twice vs the Giants I make this a Giants related thread:

"Two head coaches already have told their offensive line coaches to study how the Packers pass protect and be prepared to implement those techniques next season..."

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"In hands inside, the blocker’s first move is a straight-ahead punch and grab toward the middle of the pass rusher’s chest. The breast-plate aiming point has been pre-eminent since 1978, when offensive linemen were first permitted to extend their hands in pass protection.
In hands outside, the blocker’s first move is the outward thrust of the hands toward the outside of his opponent’s shoulders.
“The Packers throw their hands on the sides of everybody’s shoulders,” said an NFL offensive line coach. “It looks like they just clamp their hands on the outside. You’re not grabbing the jersey. It doesn’t look like it’s truly holding. They just get in front of you. They’re good at it.”



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Linked this earlier today  
Defenderdawg : 1/21/2017 8:48 pm : link
Since we read a lot of his articles, more about McGinn from SI
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McGinns a good coach  
trueblueinpw : 1/21/2017 10:52 pm : link
I like the fact he adjusts to what the players are good at. Thought of Flowers when I read this:

In Campen’s meeting room, it’s often said that “once your feet are beat, that’s holding.”
RE: McGinns a good coach  
robbieballs2003 : 1/21/2017 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13335187 trueblueinpw said:
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I like the fact he adjusts to what the players are good at. Thought of Flowers when I read this:

In Campen’s meeting room, it’s often said that “once your feet are beat, that’s holding.”


A good coach?
RE: RE:Campen's a good coach  
trueblueinpw : 1/21/2017 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13335199 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13335187 trueblueinpw said:


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I like the fact he adjusts to what the players are good at. Thought of Flowers when I read this:

In Campen’s meeting room, it’s often said that “once your feet are beat, that’s holding.”

D'oh! Campen.


A good coach?
It's not holding if the ref doesn't see it ...  
Manny in CA : 1/22/2017 1:59 am : link

The idea is

#1 Don't horse-collar anybody

#2 Don't throw anybody to the ground, unless you pancake them

There's surely a whole-lot more that the ignorant fan like me doesn't begin to know ....

I think this is the most important piece  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/22/2017 9:00 am : link
from Michael Bennett, because this is what I saw happen to Vernon a bunch:

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“The whole game they were on top of our shoulders,” said Bennett, a two-time Pro Bowl selection. “You can’t do anything. You can’t get off. How could I possibly get off when he (left tackle David Bakhtiari) is holding the back of my pads? Try to spin when he’s doing that.

“They were holding all the time. You look at people’s jerseys, they were torn up. There were some missed calls.”
Interesting question for McGinn  
RetroJint : 1/22/2017 9:08 am : link
How does Green Bay's offense do when Rodgers is not playing quarterback ?
RE: It's not holding if the ref doesn't see it ...  
Joey in VA : 1/22/2017 9:10 am : link
In comment 13335238 Manny in CA said:
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The idea is

#1 Don't horse-collar anybody

#2 Don't throw anybody to the ground, unless you pancake them

There's surely a whole-lot more that the ignorant fan like me doesn't begin to know ....
Horse collar? What in the hell are you talking about? That's idea #1 in pass blocking?
RE: Interesting question for McGinn  
Big Blue '56 : 1/22/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13335287 RetroJint said:
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How does Green Bay's offense do when Rodgers is not playing quarterback ?


In the past, most anyone who filled in for Rodgers did pretty well
yep, they are protecting very well AND  
idiotsavant : 1/22/2017 9:28 am : link
Rogers is playing lights out at an unheard of level.

Possibly, an issue with Flowers is that he seems to not trust his balance.

I recall some bloke I met as kid who raced Ducati. Asked me what is the most important part of a racing bike, 'the engine?' (no)...'the tires?' (no).

Its the frigging breaks, and for huge linesmen, that means balance.

Big, huge guys like flowers need to know that is they body smash some DE, that they can bounce back and maintain position, slide, move what have you immediately after, it balalnce.

Good news is that balance can be improved, I am thinking if techniques used by circus performers, surfers, tightrope walkers, rock climbers.

But yes, great link in that its a technique and the GB coach allows each player to use both inside and outside depending on his own aptitudes and body type.

I have ranted that OL positions are not hierarchical (some play better OT than guard by far and some its visa versa, each player being a unique individual). Same goes with technique probably.
also left / right, same thing, each player is unique  
idiotsavant : 1/22/2017 9:38 am : link
even though I was almost alone here last spring or last January ranting on

(Pugh/#1 FA/Richburg\#2 FA\Flowers)

and was roundly dashed, I am by the same token not ready to say that Flowers 'will never play OT in the NFL.'

That's just as crazy as some of the same posters, last year at this time, ('Flowers is the OLT come hell or high water as told to me by Jesus himself, so fuck off') type comments.

It is entirely possible, that with great training (starting now probably) that he eventually becomes a great ORT.

Pugh/First Rounder/Richburg\#1 FA\Flowers

or, (to pay for Hank and JPP -as we really should- and feed a youth trend for future)

Pugh/First Rounder/Richburg\Hart\Flowers\Big TE

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