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Tim Williams - OLB - Alabama

est1986 : 1/22/2017 6:19 pm
Like him much better than Leonard Floyd from a year ago.. Any shot at all he is available at 23rd overall? SY'56? Kid would be a beast of pass rush specialist.. Does he fit our scheme?


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I don't think Williams is projected to go that high  
adamg : 1/22/2017 6:25 pm : link
So, he should be there, I think. I'm not sure he's the best value for us there though.
There is a chance, yes  
Sy'56 : 1/22/2017 6:25 pm : link
If I had to say yes or no, I would say no. He is the fastest, most explosive edge rusher in the class and he's had some solid production. If he has an elite-level combine, he could be top 5 to be honest.

His negatives are size and a lack of variety to his pass rush repertoire. He can't do much when rushing the inside shoulder. He gets locked up by good power blockers.

There are also some issues off field that need to be looked at.

I don't think he should be an option for NYG at #23.
Quite possibly.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/22/2017 6:25 pm : link
This draft is much deeper and better at the top of the draft than last year.
Watching Vic Beasley  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/22/2017 6:40 pm : link
Come me of age once again hurts. I wonder if Atlanta had passed if the Giants would have passed on Flowers. He was the guy I wanted that year.

One day the Giants may once again care about LB. God knows if I'll be alive but he's can pray.
Supposedly  
bigblue12 : 1/22/2017 6:41 pm : link
Has some serious off the field concerns. Probably will not be a Giants
I think he'll be there  
Marty866b : 1/22/2017 6:43 pm : link
I think Williams will go at the very end of round one or into round 2.
From McGinn's article  
robbieballs2003 : 1/22/2017 6:44 pm : link
[quote]LINEBACKERS

Its a terrific year at inside linebacker with Alabamas Reuben Foster (6-1, 228), Floridas Jarrad Davis (6-1, 238) and LSU Kendell Beckwith (6-2, 247). According to one scout, they all can play every down and might all go in the first round. "They play the way you want to see linebackers play, he said. Theyre violent tacklers. They all can run. They can all play in any scheme.

Two scouts said Foster is about on par with C.J. Mosley, the former Crimson Tide ILB who went 17th to Baltimore in 2014.
Reuben is a machine, man, said one. He lost about 15 pounds this year but he has been above 250. Broad-shouldered, tapered, thick trunk, thick-legged guy. He can fly. Hes got rare trunk and core explosive power where he can just unload on people. And he can cover.

Junior Zach Cunningham (6-3, 230) of Vanderbilt was compared by one scout to Seattles K.J. Wright in style of play. Hes a modern inside backer, said another scout. Hes an athlete. Hes pretty (expletive) good but its not even close to Foster.

Another first-round candidate would be Ohio States Raekwon McMillan (6-1, 240) if he declares.

Two more players from top-ranked Alabama, Tim Williams (6-3, 252) and Ryan Anderson (6-2, 255), head a shorter list outside.

Williams is a dynamite pass rusher, said one scout. He gets off the edge Anderson is a very steady, good football player. He doesnt look pretty but he makes plays.

Senior Vince Biegel (6-3, 245) of Wisconsin is headed for the mid-rounds, according to one scout. He may be too small, said a scout for a 3-4 team, but he plays hard.

His teammate, junior T.J. Watt (6-5, 247), should be taken a round over two ahead of Biegel if he declares. He should stay in, one scout said. He needs to get bigger and stronger.
There was an article  
pjcas18 : 1/22/2017 6:59 pm : link
a week ago that said he's Randy Gregory 2.0 due to off-field issues. Said he's failed multiple drug tests.

Unless this proves to be untrue or overstated I doubt the Giants even consider him in the first if he's available for them and they have him highly rated.

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Charlie Campbell @DraftCampbell

Per sources #Alabama DE Tim Williams failed many drug tests, has Randy Gregory type problem. Could slip to Round 2: http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill
12:43 PM - 13 Jan 2017


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AcidTest : 1/22/2017 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13335998 pjcas18 said:
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a week ago that said he's Randy Gregory 2.0 due to off-field issues. Said he's failed multiple drug tests.

Unless this proves to be untrue or overstated I doubt the Giants even consider him in the first if he's available for them and they have him highly rated.



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Charlie Campbell @DraftCampbell

Per sources #Alabama DE Tim Williams failed many drug tests, has Randy Gregory type problem. Could slip to Round 2: http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill
12:43 PM - 13 Jan 2017



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Saw that as well. If true, he may not be on the Giants' board.
Too many talented players in this draft to take a gamble early  
robbieballs2003 : 1/22/2017 7:25 pm : link
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Not a Need Draft Person  
Samiam : 1/22/2017 7:27 pm : link
I always want best value but how in hell can you look at the Giants and decide to take a LB and draft OL. Maybe Reese fixes the OL with free agents but if not, it's a no brainer
His off the field issues are going to drop him  
DavidinBMNY : 1/22/2017 7:34 pm : link
I can't see him going before late rd 2 earliest. Probably rd 3 given what happened happened to Randy Gregory.
Listen to Daniel Jeremiah's Move the Stick Pocast  
dk in TX : 1/22/2017 8:20 pm : link
Of 1-17-17. They claim that Williams failed multiple drug tests in Alabama. They compared him to Dallas' Randy Gregory.They will not be surprised if he drops to the 3rd round. Gregory has been a total disaster in Dallas with series of PED suspensions.

The greatest ability is availability. Buyer beware.
He is a very talented Edge Rusher  
dk in TX : 1/22/2017 8:25 pm : link
and may worth the risk in the 3rd or fourth round. Vontace Burffic (sp) anybody?
RE: There is a chance, yes  
est1986 : 1/22/2017 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13335902 Sy'56 said:
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If I had to say yes or no, I would say no. He is the fastest, most explosive edge rusher in the class and he's had some solid production. If he has an elite-level combine, he could be top 5 to be honest.

His negatives are size and a lack of variety to his pass rush repertoire. He can't do much when rushing the inside shoulder. He gets locked up by good power blockers.

There are also some issues off field that need to be looked at.

I don't think he should be an option for NYG at #23.


If he was there at 23 would you take him for this defense? Is he a comparable player to Floyd from a year ago?
I would rather go with one of the sideline to sideline, 3 down MLB.  
George from PA : 1/22/2017 8:39 pm : link
I think we can live with our outside guys....But we still do not have a stud in the middle.

And

It looks like this is the year that the draft has the talent.

Nice to hear the TEs are also stacked in this draft.

The OT upgrade is the key to offseason....5 years and counting that our OL has been a liability. Shameful

Make that Scot Wright Draftcountdown Podcast episode on Tim Williams  
dk in TX : 1/22/2017 8:49 pm : link
They started talking about him from 2:35 minute and compared him to JPP (damn!). I say risk a second or third round on him. Can't be worst than Clint Sintim and Marvin Austin😁

They really love OJ Howard. It is a very good listen.
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So we just saw the Giants field one of the best defenses in the league  
BillT : 1/22/2017 10:01 pm : link
Because they has a great DL and a great secondary but folks still want them to use high draft choices on LB. Mind boggling.
RE: So we just saw the Giants field one of the best defenses in the league  
est1986 : 1/22/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13336348 BillT said:
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Because they has a great DL and a great secondary but folks still want them to use high draft choices on LB. Mind boggling.


Just want them to use it on the whoever they think is the best player instead of picking for need.
RE: RE: So we just saw the Giants field one of the best defenses in the league  
BillT : 1/23/2017 8:05 am : link
In comment 13336404 est1986 said:
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In comment 13336348 BillT said:


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Because they has a great DL and a great secondary but folks still want them to use high draft choices on LB. Mind boggling.



Just want them to use it on the whoever they think is the best player instead of picking for need.

Which the Giants don't do.
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