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Poll: Is Tom Brady The Best QB Of All Time?

est1986 : 1/22/2017 9:28 pm
Yes or No. I'll start..


Yes.
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No  
Giants2012 : 1/22/2017 9:29 pm : link
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Danny Kanell : 1/22/2017 9:30 pm : link
Yes.
No.  
SHO'NUFF : 1/22/2017 9:31 pm : link
He's played under the best coach and surrounded by the best coached team every year.
Hes at the dinner table  
dep026 : 1/22/2017 9:31 pm : link
...
RE: No.  
spike : 1/22/2017 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13336271 SHO'NUFF said:
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He's played under the best coach and surrounded by the best coached team every year.
Yes  
RobCarpenter : 1/22/2017 9:32 pm : link
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edt1986  
Samiam : 1/22/2017 9:32 pm : link
How far back do you go in terms of watching QBs?
Yes.  
arcarsenal : 1/22/2017 9:33 pm : link
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RE: RE: No.  
SHO'NUFF : 1/22/2017 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13336273 spike said:
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In comment 13336271 SHO'NUFF said:


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He's played under the best coach and surrounded by the best coached team every year.



under the best offensive system ever, due to it's ability to keep the same playbook, despite multiple OCs, and yet evolve each year to take advantage of personnel and matchups.
No  
Eman11 : 1/22/2017 9:37 pm : link
He's in the discussion though.

For me I can't help but remember how great Montana was and the comp he had to get through in the NFC Just to get to the SB. The Bears and their great D, the Skins with Gibbs and their Hogs, the Giants with LT, Parcells et al. Hell even the Rams in the West had some really good,tough teams.

What TB has done is impressive no question but I just don't think he's had to face tough competition year in year out. Shit, they went 3-1 to start the year without him.
No...  
JCin332 : 1/22/2017 9:38 pm : link
Impossible to pick one...absolutely one of best of all time...
I don't think you can ever make this sort of proclimation  
Hammer : 1/22/2017 9:39 pm : link
Players in every era have their own set of challenges and every era is different in terms of rules and how the game is played.

I think it is legitimate to proclaim a player the best of his era, but not to state that a player is the best ever.

There have been many great players at the quarterback position. Brady is surely among the very best of them.
Yes.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/22/2017 9:40 pm : link
Would have loved to see him with a stud WR to pair up with him for his career.
I mean..  
arcarsenal : 1/22/2017 9:41 pm : link
The guy just had a year where he threw two interceptions in 12 games. Two. To go along with 28 TD passes.

He's 39 years old.
Yes  
Joey from GlenCove : 1/22/2017 9:42 pm : link
Do we have a figure on the different guys he's won with?

Montanas knocks

Never threw for 4K
Best wr ever
Completion percentage is inflated in WCO
RE: I mean..  
SHO'NUFF : 1/22/2017 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13336295 arcarsenal said:
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The guy just had a year where he threw two interceptions in 12 games. Two. To go along with 28 TD passes.

He's 39 years old.


that's how easy they make it for him. hell, I don't even think Brady is that smart.
No  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 1/22/2017 9:46 pm : link
But Belichick is the greatest coach ever imo
11 conference championships  
GiantNatty : 1/22/2017 9:46 pm : link
7 super bowls (with at least 4 super bowl championships)?

clearly.
About to go to his SEVENTH Super Bowl...  
arcarsenal : 1/22/2017 9:47 pm : link
This is 6 years in a row now that he's been at least to the AFCC game.

Brady's career is unparalleled.

I realize some of the people who watched Montana in his prime will still say it's him.. but Brady's consistence has been absolutely remarkable. And he's so seldom had elite skill players compared to a lot of other guys.

There was a time when Julian Edelman was a cornerback...

384 yards and 3 TD's tonight. No Gronk. Doesn't matter. 39 years old.
Yes  
Default : 1/22/2017 9:48 pm : link
and it's not even close.
Elway, Marino and P Manning are the best QBs  
EricJ : 1/22/2017 9:48 pm : link
followed by Brady and Montana.

This is just who is the best QB. Not taking championships into consideration.
RE: edt1986  
est1986 : 1/22/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13336275 Samiam said:
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How far back do you go in terms of watching QBs?


Late 70s. Never saw Unitas and earlier. Saw Tarkenton, Staubach, Bradshaw and everything since then.
I also believe Bill is the best HC of all time..  
arcarsenal : 1/22/2017 9:49 pm : link
Which is why the two of them together have had this string of dominance.

But if this was all just some "system", the NFL, which is a copycat league, would have figured it out by now. They've been doing this for like 15 years.

7 Super Bowl appearances in 15 years is absolutely ridiculous in this salary cap era. The league is built in a way where this shouldn't happen.. and doesn't happen for any of the other 31 teams. But the Patriots defy that completely because of Belichick and Brady.
yes, because of actual accomplishments.  
madgiantscow009 : 1/22/2017 9:49 pm : link
But Belichick would have made multiple QBs best of all time.
Short answer  
Cruzin : 1/22/2017 9:50 pm : link

I could agree with that

Yes
Yes.  
Britt in VA : 1/22/2017 9:52 pm : link
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Bill2 : 1/22/2017 9:53 pm : link
im with arc on this

( Hey arc. Hope you have a great New Year)
He's Got My Vote  
Bluesbreaker : 1/22/2017 9:54 pm : link
The fact that he is 39 and has done it with so many different
players . He is great a leader his skill set is second to
none .He is fiery and competitive he even declined and or
I think took pay cuts to help the cap . Sure he is cockey
but I don't think he is as bad a person that some make him
out to be . His Wife isn't too bad either .
All the guy does is win I don't know whats the argument
that he is not .
I like the guy to an extent I think the Plax prediction
response was pretty funny but when your confident enough
to back up your talk oh well it is what it is .
RE: I also believe Bill is the best HC of all time..  
SHO'NUFF : 1/22/2017 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13336315 arcarsenal said:
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Which is why the two of them together have had this string of dominance.

But if this was all just some "system", the NFL, which is a copycat league, would have figured it out by now. They've been doing this for like 15 years.

7 Super Bowl appearances in 15 years is absolutely ridiculous in this salary cap era. The league is built in a way where this shouldn't happen.. and doesn't happen for any of the other 31 teams. But the Patriots defy that completely because of Belichick and Brady.


Belichick is the "system". You can't duplicate it. Also, the AFC has been less than impressive in this era. Always a 2 or 3 team race. Having an easy division year after year doesn't hurt either.
Before Super Bowls  
Samiam : 1/22/2017 9:55 pm : link
None of these guys count ? Before the league changed the rules, DB could knock the crap out of WRs downfield and beat the crisp out of QBs all day. Roughing the passer was almost nonexistent. How do you compare Johny Unitas to a Tom Brady?
Yes.  
Boy Cord : 1/22/2017 9:55 pm : link
In my 40 years of watching.
RE: .  
arcarsenal : 1/22/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13336325 Bill2 said:
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im with arc on this

( Hey arc. Hope you have a great New Year)


Thank you, Bill! Right back atcha!
has to be in the conversation  
bc4life : 1/22/2017 10:04 pm : link
but you can't put Brady on the scale without BB
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Britt in VA : 1/22/2017 10:05 pm : link
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Rich Eisen ‏@richeisen 59m59 minutes ago

In two weeks, 14 percent of all Super Bowls will have been started, in part, by Tom Brady.
He has the stats  
Britt in VA : 1/22/2017 10:07 pm : link
He has the records
He has the hardware

What else could he possibly need to do?
Yes  
mfsd : 1/22/2017 10:09 pm : link
I admit, I'd love to list some reasons to knock him down a peg...but this level of excellence for this long, against all different types of competition...hard to argue to counterpoint.

Here's how I look at the question - you have a team going to the Super Bowl and get to pick one QB from NFL history in his prime to be your starter, who do you pick?

I pick Brady. Some may disagree, certainly some other greats in the mix
I don't know if he is or not.  
FStubbs : 1/22/2017 10:13 pm : link
I do know his team was 3-1 without him this year and 11-5 one year where he missed almost the entire season.

When Peyton got hurt on the Colts ... yeah.
yes  
mack809f : 1/22/2017 10:14 pm : link
and it pisses me off
Another factor ...  
FStubbs : 1/22/2017 10:16 pm : link
... is that Brady has benefitted from a completely horrid division. Other than two years where Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez somehow made it to the AFC Championship game (proving again how inept the AFC actually is), the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins have been complete jokes. That gives the Patriots 6 wins and a playoff home game to start off with.
Yes  
Go Terps : 1/22/2017 10:17 pm : link
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christian : 1/22/2017 10:22 pm : link
If only the guy did his job with zero drama, he might be elite.
Yes  
WillVAB : 1/22/2017 10:28 pm : link
He has the stats and the rings.
RE: Before Super Bowls  
Cruzin : 1/22/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13336332 Samiam said:
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None of these guys count ? Before the league changed the rules, DB could knock the crap out of WRs downfield and beat the crisp out of QBs all day. Roughing the passer was almost nonexistent. How do you compare Johny Unitas to a Tom Brady?


It's a valid point. I saw a poll of xNFL QBs recently asked who they thought the best QB ever was and most of them said Dan Marino, Johnny U was #2. Some of them said Brady could have played back then and been successful.

The rule changes are extremely dramatic, it's really not possible to compare today's QBs to ones that had to function when defense was allowed to play defense.
RE: yes  
LCtheINTMachine : 1/22/2017 10:39 pm : link
In comment 13336364 mack809f said:
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and it pisses me off


This because he is a liar and a cheat and just a piece of scum, no-class player.
No  
Trainmaster : 1/22/2017 10:39 pm : link
IMHO, in the Super Bowl era, I'll take John Elway. Super strong arm, very elusive, very smart.
RE: No  
trueblueinpw : 1/22/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13336303 You'reMyBoyBlue!! said:
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But Belichick is the greatest coach ever imo


+1
Top Five, yes  
JohnF : 1/22/2017 10:42 pm : link
Best of all time? No.

Cruzin is 100% correct. QB's before the late 70's had to play against DB's that could hack WR's all down the field...no 5 yard rule. Totally different game.

IMO Unitas is #1. Called his own plays, was lethal at the end of games, and could pass as well as anyone today. Played in the 50's, but could still go toe to toe with Namath in the early 70's (I watched him through most of the 60's into the 70's). If Johnny U. was playing with today's rules, it would be a joke...think Warner accuracy with Luck tools.
Yup...  
ZGiants98 : 1/22/2017 10:44 pm : link
and with one more ring this year, there will be no question.
Reading back on some history  
dep026 : 1/22/2017 10:46 pm : link
I would put him right there with Unitas. But since it is impossible to compare the two since they are over 40 years apart..... you have to give Brady the edge.

He's an Eli Manning away from getting SB ring number 7!
Brady is the poster boy of right place, right time  
SHO'NUFF : 1/22/2017 11:06 pm : link
starting with the Bledsoe injury and the tuck rule. To his credit, he maximized his opportunity. Other candidates for "right place, right time": Big Ben, Russell Wilson, and now, Dak Prescott.
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