He's played under the best coach and surrounded by the best coached team every year.
under the best offensive system ever, due to it's ability to keep the same playbook, despite multiple OCs, and yet evolve each year to take advantage of personnel and matchups.
For me I can't help but remember how great Montana was and the comp he had to get through in the NFC Just to get to the SB. The Bears and their great D, the Skins with Gibbs and their Hogs, the Giants with LT, Parcells et al. Hell even the Rams in the West had some really good,tough teams.
What TB has done is impressive no question but I just don't think he's had to face tough competition year in year out. Shit, they went 3-1 to start the year without him.
This is 6 years in a row now that he's been at least to the AFCC game.
Brady's career is unparalleled.
I realize some of the people who watched Montana in his prime will still say it's him.. but Brady's consistence has been absolutely remarkable. And he's so seldom had elite skill players compared to a lot of other guys.
There was a time when Julian Edelman was a cornerback...
384 yards and 3 TD's tonight. No Gronk. Doesn't matter. 39 years old.
Which is why the two of them together have had this string of dominance.
But if this was all just some "system", the NFL, which is a copycat league, would have figured it out by now. They've been doing this for like 15 years.
7 Super Bowl appearances in 15 years is absolutely ridiculous in this salary cap era. The league is built in a way where this shouldn't happen.. and doesn't happen for any of the other 31 teams. But the Patriots defy that completely because of Belichick and Brady.
The fact that he is 39 and has done it with so many different
players . He is great a leader his skill set is second to
none .He is fiery and competitive he even declined and or
I think took pay cuts to help the cap . Sure he is cockey
but I don't think he is as bad a person that some make him
out to be . His Wife isn't too bad either .
All the guy does is win I don't know whats the argument
that he is not .
I like the guy to an extent I think the Plax prediction
response was pretty funny but when your confident enough
to back up your talk oh well it is what it is .
RE: I also believe Bill is the best HC of all time..
Which is why the two of them together have had this string of dominance.
But if this was all just some "system", the NFL, which is a copycat league, would have figured it out by now. They've been doing this for like 15 years.
7 Super Bowl appearances in 15 years is absolutely ridiculous in this salary cap era. The league is built in a way where this shouldn't happen.. and doesn't happen for any of the other 31 teams. But the Patriots defy that completely because of Belichick and Brady.
Belichick is the "system". You can't duplicate it. Also, the AFC has been less than impressive in this era. Always a 2 or 3 team race. Having an easy division year after year doesn't hurt either.
None of these guys count ? Before the league changed the rules, DB could knock the crap out of WRs downfield and beat the crisp out of QBs all day. Roughing the passer was almost nonexistent. How do you compare Johny Unitas to a Tom Brady?
I admit, I'd love to list some reasons to knock him down a peg...but this level of excellence for this long, against all different types of competition...hard to argue to counterpoint.
Here's how I look at the question - you have a team going to the Super Bowl and get to pick one QB from NFL history in his prime to be your starter, who do you pick?
I pick Brady. Some may disagree, certainly some other greats in the mix
... is that Brady has benefitted from a completely horrid division. Other than two years where Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez somehow made it to the AFC Championship game (proving again how inept the AFC actually is), the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins have been complete jokes. That gives the Patriots 6 wins and a playoff home game to start off with.
None of these guys count ? Before the league changed the rules, DB could knock the crap out of WRs downfield and beat the crisp out of QBs all day. Roughing the passer was almost nonexistent. How do you compare Johny Unitas to a Tom Brady?
It's a valid point. I saw a poll of xNFL QBs recently asked who they thought the best QB ever was and most of them said Dan Marino, Johnny U was #2. Some of them said Brady could have played back then and been successful.
The rule changes are extremely dramatic, it's really not possible to compare today's QBs to ones that had to function when defense was allowed to play defense.
Cruzin is 100% correct. QB's before the late 70's had to play against DB's that could hack WR's all down the field...no 5 yard rule. Totally different game.
IMO Unitas is #1. Called his own plays, was lethal at the end of games, and could pass as well as anyone today. Played in the 50's, but could still go toe to toe with Namath in the early 70's (I watched him through most of the 60's into the 70's). If Johnny U. was playing with today's rules, it would be a joke...think Warner accuracy with Luck tools.
I would put him right there with Unitas. But since it is impossible to compare the two since they are over 40 years apart..... you have to give Brady the edge.
He's an Eli Manning away from getting SB ring number 7!
Brady is the poster boy of right place, right time
starting with the Bledsoe injury and the tuck rule. To his credit, he maximized his opportunity. Other candidates for "right place, right time": Big Ben, Russell Wilson, and now, Dak Prescott.
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He's played under the best coach and surrounded by the best coached team every year.
under the best offensive system ever, due to it's ability to keep the same playbook, despite multiple OCs, and yet evolve each year to take advantage of personnel and matchups.
For me I can't help but remember how great Montana was and the comp he had to get through in the NFC Just to get to the SB. The Bears and their great D, the Skins with Gibbs and their Hogs, the Giants with LT, Parcells et al. Hell even the Rams in the West had some really good,tough teams.
What TB has done is impressive no question but I just don't think he's had to face tough competition year in year out. Shit, they went 3-1 to start the year without him.
I think it is legitimate to proclaim a player the best of his era, but not to state that a player is the best ever.
There have been many great players at the quarterback position. Brady is surely among the very best of them.
He's 39 years old.
Montanas knocks
Never threw for 4K
Best wr ever
Completion percentage is inflated in WCO
He's 39 years old.
that's how easy they make it for him. hell, I don't even think Brady is that smart.
clearly.
Brady's career is unparalleled.
I realize some of the people who watched Montana in his prime will still say it's him.. but Brady's consistence has been absolutely remarkable. And he's so seldom had elite skill players compared to a lot of other guys.
There was a time when Julian Edelman was a cornerback...
384 yards and 3 TD's tonight. No Gronk. Doesn't matter. 39 years old.
This is just who is the best QB. Not taking championships into consideration.
Late 70s. Never saw Unitas and earlier. Saw Tarkenton, Staubach, Bradshaw and everything since then.
But if this was all just some "system", the NFL, which is a copycat league, would have figured it out by now. They've been doing this for like 15 years.
7 Super Bowl appearances in 15 years is absolutely ridiculous in this salary cap era. The league is built in a way where this shouldn't happen.. and doesn't happen for any of the other 31 teams. But the Patriots defy that completely because of Belichick and Brady.
I could agree with that
Yes
( Hey arc. Hope you have a great New Year)
players . He is great a leader his skill set is second to
none .He is fiery and competitive he even declined and or
I think took pay cuts to help the cap . Sure he is cockey
but I don't think he is as bad a person that some make him
out to be . His Wife isn't too bad either .
All the guy does is win I don't know whats the argument
that he is not .
I like the guy to an extent I think the Plax prediction
response was pretty funny but when your confident enough
to back up your talk oh well it is what it is .
But if this was all just some "system", the NFL, which is a copycat league, would have figured it out by now. They've been doing this for like 15 years.
7 Super Bowl appearances in 15 years is absolutely ridiculous in this salary cap era. The league is built in a way where this shouldn't happen.. and doesn't happen for any of the other 31 teams. But the Patriots defy that completely because of Belichick and Brady.
Belichick is the "system". You can't duplicate it. Also, the AFC has been less than impressive in this era. Always a 2 or 3 team race. Having an easy division year after year doesn't hurt either.
( Hey arc. Hope you have a great New Year)
Thank you, Bill! Right back atcha!
In two weeks, 14 percent of all Super Bowls will have been started, in part, by Tom Brady.
He has the hardware
What else could he possibly need to do?
Here's how I look at the question - you have a team going to the Super Bowl and get to pick one QB from NFL history in his prime to be your starter, who do you pick?
I pick Brady. Some may disagree, certainly some other greats in the mix
When Peyton got hurt on the Colts ... yeah.
It's a valid point. I saw a poll of xNFL QBs recently asked who they thought the best QB ever was and most of them said Dan Marino, Johnny U was #2. Some of them said Brady could have played back then and been successful.
The rule changes are extremely dramatic, it's really not possible to compare today's QBs to ones that had to function when defense was allowed to play defense.
This because he is a liar and a cheat and just a piece of scum, no-class player.
+1
Cruzin is 100% correct. QB's before the late 70's had to play against DB's that could hack WR's all down the field...no 5 yard rule. Totally different game.
IMO Unitas is #1. Called his own plays, was lethal at the end of games, and could pass as well as anyone today. Played in the 50's, but could still go toe to toe with Namath in the early 70's (I watched him through most of the 60's into the 70's). If Johnny U. was playing with today's rules, it would be a joke...think Warner accuracy with Luck tools.
He's an Eli Manning away from getting SB ring number 7!