Another brutal loss for the Knicks on Saturday. Melo was brilliant until the final shot which rimmed out. Rose again had a horrible defensive miscue.
After watching the Cavs/ Spurs game Saturday night, a few observations.
- Lebron is still awesome and the best player in the game. Kyrie was incredible as well. Pulls off moves that are rarely seen in basketball.
- Kevin Love is really struggling. Missed some wide open shots down the stretch. Offense really slows to a halt when they try to feed him. Also struggled defensively.
- Bench is really thin and no backup PG really takes a toll on Lebron and Irving. No ball handlers on the team besides those 2.
I know this has been explored before, and is highly unlikely due to them winning a championship, but the Carmelo for Kevin Love trade makes a lot of sense for all parties involved. Yes Love is younger than Anthony and having a slightly better year, but Carmelo would fit perfectly with that team. Especially when they face the Warriors ( which should be the Cavs only concern right now). Carmelo is a better spot up shooter, can create his own baskets and gives them more flexibility playing a small ball lineup the Warriors have.
In my proposed trade the Cavs get Melo, Jennings, O'Quinn and Marcus Smart. 4 players that can truly help them in a series vs the Warriors. Knicks would have to receive a draft pick, most likely the Nets pick or a combo of future picks. Any chance of this happening? Does this trade increase the Cavs' chances of repeating? As a big Melo fan, I would love to see him go thrive on a contender and this obviously helps the Knicks future.
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I would rather him stay glued to a shooter like Booker but I don't want to turn this into a Rose argument.
Love has played well this year and this trade is highly unlikely. But just wanted to see if others agreed that swapping out Love for Melo and some bench depth gives the Cavs a better shot against the Warriors in the finals. I truly think Melo would thrive in that role.
What should be done? Well there is two ways to guard this.
1. If you are teach Baker to go over the screen..... Rose needs to drop into the middle of the lane, to take away the roller and baseline cut. Lee, who is in the far corner, needs to slide up and take Booker. The guy who is left open is the guy in the corner far away, which is the tougher pass. Porz needs to show more, and pressure the ball to make a pass tougher.
2. If Baker goes under the screen, Porz needs to hedge immediately, and Lee can be the helpside defender. Baker would be responsible for the roll guy. Melo stays home on corner guy. Rose stays home on Booker.
A lot of the problems with the Knicks is scheme. Its really piss poor.
I've now watched the play 10 or so times and I cant agree. Your analysis leaves Booker wide open, as we're using 3 to defend 2. Even if you were right (and I dont think you are), Rose was too deep.
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if rose is going to help, he should be telling the guy behind him that he is helping so that guy can help him..
it is basic stuff, one guy helpa the next guy needs to help, everyone needs to be talking to each other..
that is why knicks leave wide open shooters
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Rose was in the right spot on the rotation. He was responsible for Chandler rolling after the screen. Porzingis was the main person to blame on the last play. He gave Bledsoe to much room coming off the screen.
I've now watched the play 10 or so times and I cant agree. Your analysis leaves Booker wide open, as we're using 3 to defend 2. Even if you were right (and I dont think you are), Rose was too deep. Video of the play - ( New Window )
I think that was Rose's response, and that is probably right. The problem is though what if Chandler breaks free on the roll. If Rose is close to Booker and Lee and Melo stay home.... who contests an go ahead uncontested dunk by Chandler? Its tough for Baker to get around Chandler in that instance.
If Rose gets as deep as he did.... Lee needs to take away Booker. Lee literally did nothing on the play but stand on his guy in the corner. It's really bad defense in all aspects. Now while the Knicks have a lot of bad defenders out there, I just hate that scheme. Especially going over the pick that is set that high. If Eric Bledsoe pulls up and buries a 3 from 25-27 feet off the dribble.... what can you do? He was given too much space and I am not even sure what the other defenders were doing.
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Rose was in the right spot on the rotation. He was responsible for Chandler rolling after the screen. Porzingis was the main person to blame on the last play. He gave Bledsoe to much room coming off the screen.
I've now watched the play 10 or so times and I cant agree. Your analysis leaves Booker wide open, as we're using 3 to defend 2. Even if you were right (and I dont think you are), Rose was too deep. Video of the play - ( New Window )
And again, I dont know the scheme so I can be completely wrong. But with Lee not doing anything, it seems like Rose is suppose to be the help guy. It looks like the perfect combo of bad defense and bad scheming.
While we are at it
Trade Rose for Bismarck Biyombi
Courtney Lee for Sabonis
Somehow dump Noah but highly impossible
Draft Lonzo Ball number one from nets pick
Josh Jackson with their own lottery pick
Send Phil packing with his bag of money he stole from Dolan
Make NYGiants 16 the new GM
26 shots for Rose when KP and Melo were hot isn't ideal either. Also, don't want Baker going 1 on 1 on one of the last possessions of the game.... Baker is getting way too much time IMO.
While we are at it
Trade Rose for Bismarck Biyombi
Courtney Lee for Sabonis
Somehow dump Noah but highly impossible
Draft Lonzo Ball number one from nets pick
Josh Jackson with their own lottery pick
Send Phil packing with his bag of money he stole from Dolan
Make NYGiants 16 the new GM
dont want the job
Agree Knicks need to stop fighting thru every screen. Would love to hear Rambis explain that one. Our defensive struggles are both scheme and personnel. Hard to overlook how many guys are BAD defenders. Trying to defend a lead at the end with Rose, Melo, and Baker? Lee's defense has gone down hill, and KP's D outside of close in (where he is a thicket of arms) is suspect.
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If the Knicks get the Nets pick
While we are at it
Lol. I don't blame you
Trade Rose for Bismarck Biyombi
Courtney Lee for Sabonis
Somehow dump Noah but highly impossible
Draft Lonzo Ball number one from nets pick
Josh Jackson with their own lottery pick
Send Phil packing with his bag of money he stole from Dolan
Make NYGiants 16 the new GM
dont want the job
26 shots for Rose when KP and Melo were hot isn't ideal either. Also, don't want Baker going 1 on 1 on one of the last possessions of the game.... Baker is getting way too much time IMO.
Baker is playing at the expense of Jennings, whose game has completely fallen apart from early in the season.
Agree Knicks need to stop fighting thru every screen. Would love to hear Rambis explain that one. Our defensive struggles are both scheme and personnel. Hard to overlook how many guys are BAD defenders. Trying to defend a lead at the end with Rose, Melo, and Baker? Lee's defense has gone down hill, and KP's D outside of close in (where he is a thicket of arms) is suspect.
You're right about Booker. Fuck, you leave Tucker and Warren open before.
Bad defenders + bad scheme = knicks defense. Watch tonight be the same sitaution and Tunrer gets an uncontested dunk for the win.... haha. Rambis would be like, "well. they didnt get an open 3!"
Send Noah and Jennings for Rubio and Shabazz
Knicks are about 4 games "out" of being in a top 5 lottery pick. Many of the teams with worse records are looking to push for the 8th seed in the West. The only true tank teams are Miami, Lakers, and maybe Dallas but they are starting to play a lot better. Nets don't really count as tanking , they just aren't good enough to win. Knicks have a real opportunity to jump towards the top of the draft. Time to Zig while the rest of the league Zags....
if the knicks are going to continue to suck with this team, and your not going to get good players or picks back..
might as well just keep team together and add a lottery pick to it and 2 2nd rounders...
now i would sell iff jennings and oquinn, and kuz and willy have to consistently play from now on
If the Knicks can get to the 7-9 pick they're a lot closer to a potential franchise changing player. 12 could be a no mans land by draft time. 7-9 could get you into tier 3 (Tier 1 = Filtz, Tier 2 Ball, Smith, maybe 1-2 others). Pick 12 will not. You will get a materially worse player than who is available at 6 or so.
DX has them at 5 and 7, so right now we arent getting either.
Man what I wouldnt do for a lottery win. Fultz and KP (or even Ball/Smith) is the making of a championship core.
More likely we go 4-8 or 5-7 over that stretch.
Who was saying the Knicks had an easy schedule that would leave us in the playoffs in march? Over the 5 remaining games in January we might be favored in one of them and that's Dallas on the road whose been playing better.
Next month there is the Cavs Twice, Spurs, Thunder and raptors while the 3 "gimme" games are the Lakers, Nets and Sixers (are they even a gimme anymore?).
March the schedule is easier from a team perspective but there are 11 road games and among the 5 home games include the Warriors, Pacers and Pistons.
Not see if we're at a point where games against the Magic and the Sixers on the road can be counted as wins.
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the Knicks I see taken Jayson Tatum. But I think they secretely want Monk.
DX has them at 5 and 7, so right now we arent getting either.
Man what I wouldnt do for a lottery win. Fultz and KP (or even Ball/Smith) is the making of a championship core.
I think 5 is being too down on Monk. He's not a PG which will hurt him in that regard but from a talent/potential perspective I'm not sure if you can argue anyone higher than him.
Two teams that recognized that there is no prize in the NBA for trying to win as many games every single season as you can. They went about stockpiling assets differently, and I dont want to give too much credit for the KG trade heist, but both teams sacrificed the now for the later. Toronto sacrificed Bargs, who wasnt good, for picks from NY. When was the last time the Knicks traded a guy who could make them even a teeny bit better in order to get a #1 or future asset (ie not just clear cap space for pie in the sky FA dreams). I dont count the JR/Shump trade -- that was a salary cap/attitude dump. Probably about a decade, when we had extra picks in the 2005 & 2006 drafts (Nazr trade was part of that I think).
Knicks are the NBA's dumb money.
Why? Ingram looks awful. Russell has stagnated.I know they are young, but are they really going to be competetive in the next 5 years?
Isnt that good for the Knicks? It's LA or Philly.
Its not defending. Its explaining how someone defends a pick and roll. But whatever. This is why BBI fuccking blow. I try explaining a situation on how as a coach I would defend the play - and you get shit responses like yours.
Great contribution.
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The Lakers are in prime position to keep their pick. God damn it. If that actually happens I would consider swapping teams with them entirely.
Why? Ingram looks awful. Russell has stagnated.I know they are young, but are they really going to be competetive in the next 5 years?
PER is a bad stat and BI wasnt a #1 overall pick. Now that I've CYA'd, Ingram's 7.7 PER should be VERY alarming. This was floating around after Bennett struggled as a #1 overall:
Elite prospects need to be better as rookies than Ingram is. Wiggins was ~14 PER. Durant ~16 PER.
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The Lakers are in prime position to keep their pick. God damn it. If that actually happens I would consider swapping teams with them entirely.
Why? Ingram looks awful. Russell has stagnated.I know they are young, but are they really going to be competetive in the next 5 years?
I'm not trading KP for any package from the Lakers.
Knicks fan need to look to main positive. They have the hard part accomplished- drafting a potential franchise player who is developing. To be able to draft another possible franchise player to pair with him? Now we are talking.
Whenever wanted it to be Randle, Russell, and Ingram. And how about Clarkson falling off the cliff?
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The lengths you'll go to defend Rose is pretty amazing to me. He was a complete annoyance for Chicago after the first knee injury and made them wait on him. I would've thought you would be rejoicing he is no longer a Bull. I know I am going to streak through Times Square naked when he's gone this summer.
Its not defending. Its explaining how someone defends a pick and roll. But whatever. This is why BBI fuccking blow. I try explaining a situation on how as a coach I would defend the play - and you get shit responses like yours.
Great contribution.
Dude... it's not just this one comment it's EVERYTHING about him. Bringing up any kind of statistical analysis to show how he is still a good player. You jump to his defense any time any one of us makes a disparaging comment about his game.
You would be better served to just owning it. We all see it.
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The Lakers are in prime position to keep their pick. God damn it. If that actually happens I would consider swapping teams with them entirely.
Why? Ingram looks awful. Russell has stagnated.I know they are young, but are they really going to be competetive in the next 5 years?
Ingram is certainly raw and will take time to develop but I still think he can be a pretty good NBA player (not fucking KD or Larry bird or whatever he was compared to). I'll be the first to shit on anytime Ingram plays poorly but prior to yesterday, he put up a very solid string of games and showed some flashes as to why, even though he's not near Ben Simmons, was still the 2nd best player in that draft.
Russell I think is out of position. He's absolutely not a PG and absolutely cannot be asked to guard PGs. If you get Ball or Fultz or whoever, I think he will flourish at the 2 guard spot. I think he will be a solid 20+ point a night and 3-4 assists per game type guy in his prime. Not a star but a very good player to have on your team.
Randle is my favorite guy out of the bunch. Offensively, I'd say draymond green is his ceiling. He's certainly a better athlete. He can break down defenses and find shooters. His biggest issue is that the Lakers don't have a center to protect the paint, which randle can't do. He may be decent enough as a 1 on 1.
Clarkson i don't care for much but considering how much he's getting paid the Lakers realize what he is and what he isn't. He's pretty much being groomed to take over lou Williams role.
Dude... it's not just this one comment it's EVERYTHING about him. Bringing up any kind of statistical analysis to show how he is still a good player. You jump to his defense any time any one of us makes a disparaging comment about his game.
You would be better served to just owning it. We all see it.
How about I do whatever the fuck I want, and you just ignore me. I tried to give an analysis of the play. Had a discussion with another poster. Your contribution to this thread was worthless and personally - if you dont want to discuss the defense and the scheme (like I tried to do) than I persoanlly dont give a shit what you think. Sound good?
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Dude... it's not just this one comment it's EVERYTHING about him. Bringing up any kind of statistical analysis to show how he is still a good player. You jump to his defense any time any one of us makes a disparaging comment about his game.
You would be better served to just owning it. We all see it.
How about I do whatever the fuck I want, and you just ignore me. I tried to give an analysis of the play. Had a discussion with another poster. Your contribution to this thread was worthless and personally - if you dont want to discuss the defense and the scheme (like I tried to do) than I persoanlly dont give a shit what you think. Sound good?
Jesus... settle down man. Good God! It's just basketball.
Oh well, why bother discussing scheme when people just rather blame certain individuals.
Deej I remember you posted that before, Ingram has since put up better games (can't believe I'm actually defending him now).
Porter is who I think of when I see Ingram. Ingram was obviously NOT NBA ready and should've stayed longer in school. He'll be able to guard 2s and 3s, and maybe 4s if he fills out (but who knows if he will?). I think he will be a tremendous 3 and D wing one day with some scoring ability. Not necessarily an all star but someone you'd want to have at the 2-3 spots.
You wont kick yourself if Ingram turns into 2016-17 Otto Porter, but it would be disappointing. Current Otto Porter is probably good enough to be the 4th best player on a Finals team, and for that he's getting maxed. LA needs Ingram to be their best or 2nd best player.
You wont kick yourself if Ingram turns into 2016-17 Otto Porter, but it would be disappointing. Current Otto Porter is probably good enough to be the 4th best player on a Finals team, and for that he's getting maxed. LA needs Ingram to be their best or 2nd best player.
And I wholeheartedly agree with all of that. But how bad was this draft compared to that one? We're gonna come away with one true star in each of those drafts (Giannis and Simmons) and a bunch of good players and a bunch of mediocre and bad players from both of the drafts. Not sure if LA is going to be kicking themselves because they didn't take someone else (Chriss maybe?). But Chriss is still heavily flawed especially considering his deficiencies when he's playing the 4 spot.
I just don't think you can make judgements off a player's first year by any means whatsoever. Take Gary Harris (shot 30% and PER of 4.9). He didn't look like he belonged playing professional basketball. Now he looks like he's the Nuggets starting SG for the next 10 years.