coming off serious surgery...everything sounds optimistic but what is the reality? will the Mets move him to the BP? will he start the season on the DL?
but reportedly he will be ready for spring training. He's already throwing off a mound.
and I think the Mets decide from there. I doubt he goes to the pen if he's fully healthy and feel good, but I guess it depends on how he feels in ST, his velocity and his stuff.
I don't know any medical reason he'd be in the pen.
But two very strong counteracting issues at play. A second major surgery, one that doesn't have the greatest history of success. Counteracted by one of the hardest working most competitive pitchers you can ask for who loves to prove people wrong.
So the more questions, the more conversations like this post - the increasing odds of a successful comeback.
But two very strong counteracting issues at play. A second major surgery, one that doesn't have the greatest history of success. Counteracted by one of the hardest working most competitive pitchers you can ask for who loves to prove people wrong.
So the more questions, the more conversations like this post - the increasing odds of a successful comeback.
So asking questions and discussing Harvey in an online forum increases the odds of his comeback?
the Mets were thinking of putting him in bullpen...could be wrong...
That's Wheeler. I don't like that plan either. To me (assuming everyone else is healthy) I have Wheeler getting innings in AA, Gsellman in the rotation.
honestly ignore any updates from the Mets/Harvey/Boras. They mean close to nothing. Come ST actual eyes on Harvey and his stuff will tell the story. That's not being negative, just realistic when it comes to pitchers and "how great" they feel post surgery.
lot of questions about Harvey in the next 2 years Â
I think im right in saying the Mets have him under salary control for the next 2 seasons.
I dont see him working out a deal with the Mets before he hits free agency and i can't see the Mets ponying up the bucks to keep him once he's free to negotiate with other teams
that how he looks in spring training is all that matters... Harvey did recently say that he feels great and now has full feeling in his hand again which is good. There has also been pictures that have surfaced that show he's in great shape and a tad thinner. Grain of salt but positive nonetheless. Here's a little blurb. Link - ( New Window )
expectations. He's our 4th starter so the bar is pretty low. Can he be better than most teams 4th starters? Im going to go with yes if he's even remotely healthy. If not? Oh well. He's still a wild card every team in baseball would love to throw the dice on for the back end of a rotation.
that how he looks in spring training is all that matters... Harvey did recently say that he feels great and now has full feeling in his hand again which is good. There has also been pictures that have surfaced that show he's in great shape and a tad thinner. Grain of salt but positive nonetheless. Here's a little blurb. Link - ( New Window )
Harvey claimed he was heavier by design so while it's nice to see him in shape it really doesn't do much for me in terms of how he will pitch. Remember how many times Wheeler said he felt great, was coming along great, would be back... and then... let's see how he actually looks.
Dunn has always had a good arm and is a tremendous athlete, but he didn't throw this hard (upper 90s) or throw many strikes until 2016," Law explains. "Now, Dunn is throwing 93-96 mph with plus life along with a plus changeup that might end up a 70 pitch, and he throws both for strikes."
did a podcast regarding the Mets system which was largely positive. They noted the reason for Cecchini's throwing problems are his release point/way he throws and not something that is likely correctable. They viewed Cecchini as a 50/second division regular in terms of upside at 2b (none viewed him as a viable SS). They noted he likely will be hurt by the shift to more power at 2b. Overall comments about the system were very good. They think the Mets have a decent window (depending on the health of the SP).
did a podcast regarding the Mets system which was largely positive. They noted the reason for Cecchini's throwing problems are his release point/way he throws and not something that is likely correctable. They viewed Cecchini as a 50/second division regular in terms of upside at 2b (none viewed him as a viable SS). They noted he likely will be hurt by the shift to more power at 2b. Overall comments about the system were very good. They think the Mets have a decent window (depending on the health of the SP).
Hi Dan. Do you have a link to that podcast? I'd like to give it a listen. Thanks in advance.
did a podcast regarding the Mets system which was largely positive. They noted the reason for Cecchini's throwing problems are his release point/way he throws and not something that is likely correctable. They viewed Cecchini as a 50/second division regular in terms of upside at 2b (none viewed him as a viable SS). They noted he likely will be hurt by the shift to more power at 2b. Overall comments about the system were very good. They think the Mets have a decent window (depending on the health of the SP).
Hi Dan. Do you have a link to that podcast? I'd like to give it a listen. Thanks in advance.
that how he looks in spring training is all that matters... Harvey did recently say that he feels great and now has full feeling in his hand again which is good. There has also been pictures that have surfaced that show he's in great shape and a tad thinner. Grain of salt but positive nonetheless. Here's a little blurb. Link - ( New Window )
Harvey claimed he was heavier by design so while it's nice to see him in shape it really doesn't do much for me in terms of how he will pitch. Remember how many times Wheeler said he felt great, was coming along great, would be back... and then... let's see how he actually looks.
Im more encouraged that he can actually feel his fingers again but again... Im agreeing with you.
He comes back, wins 5 in a row, we trade him for a closer.
Huh?
The start of his career was outstanding. When he went down and needed TJ, he responded by coming back and having one of the best post-TJ years ever
He was clearly not pitching at 100% last year.
Fully healthy Matt Harvey may not ever exist from this point forward, but if it did.. I would be just as comfortable with him on the mound as any pitcher on this team.
Why?
He has not done anything to make me think he will have another issue. He has had 2 bad injuries in 4 years.
I believe this will end badly and we will be left with what could have been
Couldn't live up to the pedestal he was thrust upon.
He's no Dwight Gooden.
Shouldn't have been the #1 when DeGrom and Syndergard were clearly better.
As I mentioned, not necessarily his fault but he appeared to be living the life without the production.
We're gonna need a closer, suspension aside, Familia's spirit has been broken. I wouldn't trust him anymore fan I trusted Doug Sisk and Doug Sisk is my most hated Met ever.
Harvey's a stud, just not as aloft as he's been presented, let's get something for him before he breaks down again.
The injuries really are completely unrelated though Â
and he already pretty much fully came back from the Tommy John. TOS is it's own animal, though, and quite simply there is not that many cases historically to go off of. We shall see.
If you're referring to the Dwight Gooden that burst upon the scene as a 19 year old kid, I think that's a pretty unfair comparison.. who has been?
If you take last season out of the equation since Harvey was clearly not right when he was pitching, these are his career numbers:
427 IP, 2.53 ERA, 2.65 FIP, 1.000 WHIP, 9.5 k/9
Those are ridiculously good numbers and about 190 of those innings include a first season back from TJ surgery. Good luck finding pitchers who had a better first year back than he did in 2015.
In 2013 he had the lowest FIP in all of baseball (2.01)
Like I said, Matt may never be the same pitcher... but the pitcher he was before last season was as good as anyone on this staff. Including Syndergaard and deGrom.
”Gsellman was a crafty, command right-hander until mid-2016, when his velocity started to climb rapidly, so that when he reached the majors in August, he was pitching at 92-96 mph. Gsellman is a sinkerballer by trade, complemented with the slightly above average curveball he uses as a put-away pitch as well as an average changeup — and, of course, if Dan Warthen has laid hands on a guy, he probably has a decent slider too.”
whether Harvey will return to form this year but I'm crossing my fingers and rooting my ass off hoping that it does. Mets baseball has been a lot more fun since he's come on the scene.
Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that six teams are showing interest in Fernando Salas.
Dodgers looking at Blevins for a one-year deal right? Why can't the Mets just get in on that? They've done almost nothing since retaining Cespedes.
Amazing that fucking Jay Bruce is going to hurt our bullpen by us having to pay his bloated salary (which was an option that could've easily been declined!) and maybe continue to hurt us by taking ABs away from better OFs during the season. I still cross fingers that Mets can deal him but looking at his performance over the past few years, this turn of events shouldn't surprise anyone.
Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that six teams are showing interest in Fernando Salas.
Dodgers looking at Blevins for a one-year deal right? Why can't the Mets just get in on that? They've done almost nothing since retaining Cespedes.
Amazing that fucking Jay Bruce is going to hurt our bullpen by us having to pay his bloated salary (which was an option that could've easily been declined!) and maybe continue to hurt us by taking ABs away from better OFs during the season. I still cross fingers that Mets can deal him but looking at his performance over the past few years, this turn of events shouldn't surprise anyone.
Yeah KR says the Dodgers are only offering relievers 1 year deals as of right now... problem is... the Dodgers more likely than not will offer a higher AAV than the Mets would. They don't seem to have a budget. Forsythe was a nice little add (high price no doubt).
Plus the guys that we added at the deadline (Bruce/Reyes) plus all the talent we have one level away in AAA this year banging at the door, I really dont know where we were going to be adding all this exterior talent this year. We kind of were set aside from Cespedes. I'd like to add Blevins as much as the next guy but Sandy has always been pretty firm when it has come to relievers. I'm betting the Mets have a 1-2 year deal on the table and Blevins is still shopping.
The Mets had the number 2 bullpen in all of baseball last year highlighted by having 2 of the top 6 relievers in the game in it's back-end. April suspension aside, we will still have that. I'm actually excited to see what guys like Smoker and Sewald can do under Warthen and if Robles can finally take a step forward. It will be fine and you can always add a Salas type at the deadline again.
on the Mets right now IMO is the catcher situation. TDA is such a crap shoot and we dont have immediate depth (unless you count Plawecki). We've all seen his offensive potential and we've all seen the lows and how injured he's been. He's a true boom or bust player in 2017 in my mind. I would have liked to pair him with a vet to hedge our bets better and Im a little surprised we didn't but catching league wide sucks sucks sucks. Not a whole lot we could have done I guess. I mean Wieters is still sitting out there. Does anyone even want him? I'm not a fan of his defense I know that.
If I had to rank the Mets weaknesses actually it would be Â
2.) First base depth (Smith should be in AAA but at least initially he wouldn't be able to step in). Don't want another Loney situation if Duda goes down. I guess as long as Bruce is around we would have a few options there.
really should have made a move for Chooch, would have been perfect given the need/price. If Wieters settles for 1 year with someone else I'll be pretty bummed (and I don't even like him much).
RE: If I had to rank the Mets weaknesses actually it would be Â
2.) First base depth (Smith should be in AAA but at least initially he wouldn't be able to step in). Don't want another Loney situation if Duda goes down. I guess as long as Bruce is around we would have a few options there.
3.) Middle bullpen relief/Loogy
I'm guessing at the moment that Wilmer is the primary backup 1b. AAA Monell, Krauss and Campbell are all gone so as you said there is nothing really at AAA at 1b for the first half of the season (Rivera has some 1b experience so he'd probably get some time there) + they claim Conforto will get some ST reps there.
worried about 1B. Flores vs LHP is an elite option. Duda is more than fine if healthy. Smith should be ready at some point this year. Hopefully someone like Walker could take a few 1B reps during the spring (especially because Reyes is likely a better defender at 2B).
Catcher question mark is obviously an issue but there were no obvious external solutions this offseason so we need to hope TDA is ready to go.
Bullpen still has some solutions and I'd like to see them add to the depth. Bullpen was a relative strength last year, but two guys who pitched well out of that pen left and wern't (yet) replaced.
The other big question mark (or just flat out weakness) is the team's defense as a whole, especially in the OF. None of our best 3 OFs is a CF, and while Granderson has been OK out there, it's asking a lot for him to be full-time CF for a season. TDA's struggles throwing guys out are an issue. Wright is obviously a question mark. Cabrera, Walker and Duda are OK but not really "good" either. Same for backups Rivera and Flores. Our only "plus" defender is probably Cespedes.
I'm confident that the team can overcome the defense and contend but we'll want as strong and deep a bullpen as possible, especially with 4 of our top 6 starters coming off or recovery from offseason surgery.
worried about 1B. Flores vs LHP is an elite option. Duda is more than fine if healthy. Smith should be ready at some point this year. Hopefully someone like Walker could take a few 1B reps during the spring (especially because Reyes is likely a better defender at 2B).
Catcher question mark is obviously an issue but there were no obvious external solutions this offseason so we need to hope TDA is ready to go.
Bullpen still has some solutions and I'd like to see them add to the depth. Bullpen was a relative strength last year, but two guys who pitched well out of that pen left and wern't (yet) replaced.
The other big question mark (or just flat out weakness) is the team's defense as a whole, especially in the OF. None of our best 3 OFs is a CF, and while Granderson has been OK out there, it's asking a lot for him to be full-time CF for a season. TDA's struggles throwing guys out are an issue. Wright is obviously a question mark. Cabrera, Walker and Duda are OK but not really "good" either. Same for backups Rivera and Flores. Our only "plus" defender is probably Cespedes.
I'm confident that the team can overcome the defense and contend but we'll want as strong and deep a bullpen as possible, especially with 4 of our top 6 starters coming off or recovery from offseason surgery.
Just to clarify, Cespedes is only a "plus" as a corner OF. Also, the OF gets worse if the butcher/Bruce has to play meaningful time. Hopefully Lagares and Nimmo have good camps and are ready to go because we'll want their athleticism out there. I'm actually optimistic that Lagares can sort of platoon a bit with Grandy (and Conforto sometimes) versus lefties and be an asset while taking some starts in CF. I think we'll still like that Lagares contract when it's all said and done despite it looking bad right now.
mainly because of relativity. It's a weak position league-wide.
there was something like 5 catchers above replacement level in the league that qualified.
Plus TDA was so bad, he can't really be worse. Catcher is what it is at this point.
The only thing I'm really worried about is health of the starting pitching and nothing the Mets can probably do about that besides worry and bullpen.
And I don't think there's anything meaningful they can do about that either at this point.
and I'm not going to rehash my bullpen concerns. We all saw the games and know how the Mets lost - the World Series games and the wild card.
That's a bit misleading to be honest. Catchers sit more than other positions so less will qualify. If you go with 400+ PA's 13 catchers were worth at least 1.7 fWAR and again WAR is a counting stat so you sit 30-40-50 games it's going to be very tough to put up the same # as a guy playing 150 games. That's not to say there were excellent options out there but it's potentially a real issue given how bad/injured TDA has been and how bad Plawecki has been. Potentially a total black hole.
and I think the Mets decide from there. I doubt he goes to the pen if he's fully healthy and feel good, but I guess it depends on how he feels in ST, his velocity and his stuff.
I don't know any medical reason he'd be in the pen.
So the more questions, the more conversations like this post - the increasing odds of a successful comeback.
So the more questions, the more conversations like this post - the increasing odds of a successful comeback.
So asking questions and discussing Harvey in an online forum increases the odds of his comeback?
?
That's Wheeler. I don't like that plan either. To me (assuming everyone else is healthy) I have Wheeler getting innings in AA, Gsellman in the rotation.
What is your point? He has failed to be available to pitch at the end of 3 out of the last 4 seasons.
I dont see him working out a deal with the Mets before he hits free agency and i can't see the Mets ponying up the bucks to keep him once he's free to negotiate with other teams
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Harvey claimed he was heavier by design so while it's nice to see him in shape it really doesn't do much for me in terms of how he will pitch. Remember how many times Wheeler said he felt great, was coming along great, would be back... and then... let's see how he actually looks.
Hi Dan. Do you have a link to that podcast? I'd like to give it a listen. Thanks in advance.
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did a podcast regarding the Mets system which was largely positive. They noted the reason for Cecchini's throwing problems are his release point/way he throws and not something that is likely correctable. They viewed Cecchini as a 50/second division regular in terms of upside at 2b (none viewed him as a viable SS). They noted he likely will be hurt by the shift to more power at 2b. Overall comments about the system were very good. They think the Mets have a decent window (depending on the health of the SP).
Hi Dan. Do you have a link to that podcast? I'd like to give it a listen. Thanks in advance.
Well worth the listen
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com'on lol, really?
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that how he looks in spring training is all that matters... Harvey did recently say that he feels great and now has full feeling in his hand again which is good. There has also been pictures that have surfaced that show he's in great shape and a tad thinner. Grain of salt but positive nonetheless. Here's a little blurb. Link - ( New Window )
Harvey claimed he was heavier by design so while it's nice to see him in shape it really doesn't do much for me in terms of how he will pitch. Remember how many times Wheeler said he felt great, was coming along great, would be back... and then... let's see how he actually looks.
Im more encouraged that he can actually feel his fingers again but again... Im agreeing with you.
Not necessarily his fault.
He comes back, wins 5 in a row, we trade him for a closer.
Not necessarily his fault.
He comes back, wins 5 in a row, we trade him for a closer.
Huh?
The start of his career was outstanding. When he went down and needed TJ, he responded by coming back and having one of the best post-TJ years ever
He was clearly not pitching at 100% last year.
Fully healthy Matt Harvey may not ever exist from this point forward, but if it did.. I would be just as comfortable with him on the mound as any pitcher on this team.
Why?
He has not done anything to make me think he will have another issue. He has had 2 bad injuries in 4 years.
I believe this will end badly and we will be left with what could have been
Couldn't live up to the pedestal he was thrust upon.
He's no Dwight Gooden.
Shouldn't have been the #1 when DeGrom and Syndergard were clearly better.
As I mentioned, not necessarily his fault but he appeared to be living the life without the production.
We're gonna need a closer, suspension aside, Familia's spirit has been broken. I wouldn't trust him anymore fan I trusted Doug Sisk and Doug Sisk is my most hated Met ever.
Harvey's a stud, just not as aloft as he's been presented, let's get something for him before he breaks down again.
If you take last season out of the equation since Harvey was clearly not right when he was pitching, these are his career numbers:
427 IP, 2.53 ERA, 2.65 FIP, 1.000 WHIP, 9.5 k/9
Those are ridiculously good numbers and about 190 of those innings include a first season back from TJ surgery. Good luck finding pitchers who had a better first year back than he did in 2015.
In 2013 he had the lowest FIP in all of baseball (2.01)
Like I said, Matt may never be the same pitcher... but the pitcher he was before last season was as good as anyone on this staff. Including Syndergaard and deGrom.
What's my clear, noticeable bias?
”Gsellman was a crafty, command right-hander until mid-2016, when his velocity started to climb rapidly, so that when he reached the majors in August, he was pitching at 92-96 mph. Gsellman is a sinkerballer by trade, complemented with the slightly above average curveball he uses as a put-away pitch as well as an average changeup — and, of course, if Dan Warthen has laid hands on a guy, he probably has a decent slider too.”
Dodgers looking at Blevins for a one-year deal right? Why can't the Mets just get in on that? They've done almost nothing since retaining Cespedes.
Amazing that fucking Jay Bruce is going to hurt our bullpen by us having to pay his bloated salary (which was an option that could've easily been declined!) and maybe continue to hurt us by taking ABs away from better OFs during the season. I still cross fingers that Mets can deal him but looking at his performance over the past few years, this turn of events shouldn't surprise anyone.
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Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that six teams are showing interest in Fernando Salas.
Dodgers looking at Blevins for a one-year deal right? Why can't the Mets just get in on that? They've done almost nothing since retaining Cespedes.
Amazing that fucking Jay Bruce is going to hurt our bullpen by us having to pay his bloated salary (which was an option that could've easily been declined!) and maybe continue to hurt us by taking ABs away from better OFs during the season. I still cross fingers that Mets can deal him but looking at his performance over the past few years, this turn of events shouldn't surprise anyone.
Yeah KR says the Dodgers are only offering relievers 1 year deals as of right now... problem is... the Dodgers more likely than not will offer a higher AAV than the Mets would. They don't seem to have a budget. Forsythe was a nice little add (high price no doubt).
The Mets had the number 2 bullpen in all of baseball last year highlighted by having 2 of the top 6 relievers in the game in it's back-end. April suspension aside, we will still have that. I'm actually excited to see what guys like Smoker and Sewald can do under Warthen and if Robles can finally take a step forward. It will be fine and you can always add a Salas type at the deadline again.
2.) First base depth (Smith should be in AAA but at least initially he wouldn't be able to step in). Don't want another Loney situation if Duda goes down. I guess as long as Bruce is around we would have a few options there.
3.) Middle bullpen relief/Loogy
2.) First base depth (Smith should be in AAA but at least initially he wouldn't be able to step in). Don't want another Loney situation if Duda goes down. I guess as long as Bruce is around we would have a few options there.
3.) Middle bullpen relief/Loogy
I'm guessing at the moment that Wilmer is the primary backup 1b. AAA Monell, Krauss and Campbell are all gone so as you said there is nothing really at AAA at 1b for the first half of the season (Rivera has some 1b experience so he'd probably get some time there) + they claim Conforto will get some ST reps there.
Catcher question mark is obviously an issue but there were no obvious external solutions this offseason so we need to hope TDA is ready to go.
Bullpen still has some solutions and I'd like to see them add to the depth. Bullpen was a relative strength last year, but two guys who pitched well out of that pen left and wern't (yet) replaced.
The other big question mark (or just flat out weakness) is the team's defense as a whole, especially in the OF. None of our best 3 OFs is a CF, and while Granderson has been OK out there, it's asking a lot for him to be full-time CF for a season. TDA's struggles throwing guys out are an issue. Wright is obviously a question mark. Cabrera, Walker and Duda are OK but not really "good" either. Same for backups Rivera and Flores. Our only "plus" defender is probably Cespedes.
I'm confident that the team can overcome the defense and contend but we'll want as strong and deep a bullpen as possible, especially with 4 of our top 6 starters coming off or recovery from offseason surgery.
Catcher question mark is obviously an issue but there were no obvious external solutions this offseason so we need to hope TDA is ready to go.
Bullpen still has some solutions and I'd like to see them add to the depth. Bullpen was a relative strength last year, but two guys who pitched well out of that pen left and wern't (yet) replaced.
The other big question mark (or just flat out weakness) is the team's defense as a whole, especially in the OF. None of our best 3 OFs is a CF, and while Granderson has been OK out there, it's asking a lot for him to be full-time CF for a season. TDA's struggles throwing guys out are an issue. Wright is obviously a question mark. Cabrera, Walker and Duda are OK but not really "good" either. Same for backups Rivera and Flores. Our only "plus" defender is probably Cespedes.
I'm confident that the team can overcome the defense and contend but we'll want as strong and deep a bullpen as possible, especially with 4 of our top 6 starters coming off or recovery from offseason surgery.
Just to clarify, Cespedes is only a "plus" as a corner OF. Also, the OF gets worse if the butcher/Bruce has to play meaningful time. Hopefully Lagares and Nimmo have good camps and are ready to go because we'll want their athleticism out there. I'm actually optimistic that Lagares can sort of platoon a bit with Grandy (and Conforto sometimes) versus lefties and be an asset while taking some starts in CF. I think we'll still like that Lagares contract when it's all said and done despite it looking bad right now.
there was something like 5 catchers above replacement level in the league that qualified.
Plus TDA was so bad, he can't really be worse. Catcher is what it is at this point.
The only thing I'm really worried about is health of the starting pitching and nothing the Mets can probably do about that besides worry and bullpen.
And I don't think there's anything meaningful they can do about that either at this point.
and I'm not going to rehash my bullpen concerns. We all saw the games and know how the Mets lost - the World Series games and the wild card.
there was something like 5 catchers above replacement level in the league that qualified.
Plus TDA was so bad, he can't really be worse. Catcher is what it is at this point.
The only thing I'm really worried about is health of the starting pitching and nothing the Mets can probably do about that besides worry and bullpen.
And I don't think there's anything meaningful they can do about that either at this point.
and I'm not going to rehash my bullpen concerns. We all saw the games and know how the Mets lost - the World Series games and the wild card.
That's a bit misleading to be honest. Catchers sit more than other positions so less will qualify. If you go with 400+ PA's 13 catchers were worth at least 1.7 fWAR and again WAR is a counting stat so you sit 30-40-50 games it's going to be very tough to put up the same # as a guy playing 150 games. That's not to say there were excellent options out there but it's potentially a real issue given how bad/injured TDA has been and how bad Plawecki has been. Potentially a total black hole.